The message boards lit up this week as a load of news was broken by Al Lutz regarding huge changes coming to the Disneyland resort.  It seems that Tomorrowland as we know it will become a thing of the past in favor of movie themed attractions. But that’s just the beginning. Disneyland Fastpass will soon undergo a major change that you need to know about.  It’s not all bad news though.  A variety of projects around the resort are progressing nicely.  In fact, the Fantasy Faire Village is promising to be visually interesting if nothing else.  But let’s get right to the big story first.  We’ll have time to salivate over those Earl of Sandwich pictures at the end of the update.

Al Lutz reported in his most recent update that guests have until February to “enjoy” Innoventions. Apparently the plan is to make way for a new Iron Man themed E ticket attraction.  Now, if that were to go through, Disneyland’s Tomorrowland will be mostly filled with film-franchise based attractions. Only Autopia, The Monorail, and Space Mountain would be non-movie and neither really has much of a story behind it.

Marvel is on the way to Tomorrowland . . . does it fit?
Would you like to see Iron Man find a home here? Should a different attraction go here instead (Tron perhaps)?
Tomorrowland is filled with franchise based movie attractions like this…
And this . . .

There will then be a total of four film franchise attractions inside the boundaries of Tomorrowland; Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage, Star Tours, Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters  and the upcoming E-ticket.  But before you go crying foul, lighting the torches and raising the pitchforks, understand that this trend is nothing new.  There have been franchise attractions in Tomorrowland since the beginning. The 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea walk-through exhibit stood for 12 years, (1955-1967). Though, until the Eisner era, Tomorrowland was primarily a showcase for futuristic ideas and technologies. Although the Circarama films were not very futuristic, the technology which brought it to you was. Even the Monorail, Autopia and Subs once seemed futuristic (and perhaps the Monorails still do after all these years).

For many of us, it is sad to see Walt’s idea of a bright, hopeful and visionary tomorrow being thrown by the wayside in favor of an easier idea.  An Iron Man attraction is certain to be astounding.  When Imagineering gets something right, they knock it out of the park.  But how will the lore of Tony Stark and Stark Industries dazzle us with a bright and positive outlook on the future?

Attractions like the Monorail, The Peoplemover, Carousel of Progress or even Adventure Through Inner Space invited guests to experience an idealized version of the future in which science fiction became reality.  Guests could experience the impossible or the fantastic by stepping into Space Station X-1 and hover 50 miles above the Earth’s surface, they could stroll through the House of the Future and see what their house might look like in 1987, or they could enter a large telephone booth and call home without the use of a telephone receiver (early speakerphone).

We aren’t saying that Tomorrowland should be one big science fair.  But it has strayed so far from Walt’s original notion that it is more like Sci-Fantasyland these days. And perhaps the time has come for Disney to just level with us and change the name and stated focus of the land once and for all.

The future, experiencing a flight through outer space? We are on the verge of Virgin Galactic taking real passengers into space. It’s still futuristic!
This one is an anomaly. It’s a film, it’s fantasy, but it can hardly be looked at as “Tomorrow”. Unless we assume that our future holds an evil space queen whom can only be subdued by magical dancing.

We’re conflicted not just on Iron Man, but on what Tomorrowland has become in general. The building of this new attraction alone won’t fix this land. We are looking forward to hearing more about the overall plans for Tomorrowland and how it will be given a cohesive theme (whatever that may be).

As a heads up, it was also appears that Fastpass return times will soon be enforced at Disneyland. Since the implementation of the Fastpass ticket system, guests were never told that they were too late for their reservation window.  You could never show up early, but as long as you showed up after your reservation time, Cast Members would allow you to ride without question  Not so now. By the end of the year, cast members will be instructed to enforce the return time window rule.   

How do you find this return time?  Well…

At the entrance to each attraction that utilizes Fast Pass you will see a Stand-by wait time
and a RETURN BETWEEN time. Here we see that they are offering a return time between 1:25pm and 2:25pm
Cast Members will help you locate the Fast Pass Distribution machines. Just scan your regular ticket by inserting it into the machine and you will be given your Fast Pass.
See? Easy! My Fastpass says I can return between 1:25pm and 2:25pm.

This is going to be a hard lesson for us locals to learn after being able to take advantage of the system for so long.  But, really, rules are rules.  Maybe, if used properly, the Fastpass system won’t be such a burden on the park. Only time will tell.  Oh, and send your thoughts, prayers and good vibes to the front line CM’s that are going to have to break the bad news to loads of upset passholders. Yikes, we can only imagine how difficult it’s going to be for the cast and crew of the resort for a while.

The Fantasy Faire Village is showing even more interesting peaks and rooftops as more steel framing has been installed.

The City Hall Facade and nearby restrooms are still under refurbishment as well.  City Hall is open, but if you need to powder your nose, try the restrooms near the Disney Gallery or the ones near the Carnation Cafe.

Some sudden refurbishment has begun on one of the facades for the shops near the Golden Horseshoe.

Work continues on this attraction complex in which the whimsical Casey Jr. Train intertwines with the canals of Storybook Land.  It is rumored that during this refurbishment, OSHA mandated hand rails might be installed on the bridges.  As much as we appreciate OSHA helping to keep us all safe, they have been pushing for some overly aggressive changes to some classic attractions.  Let’s hope for the best.

More upkeep is taking place in ToonTown.  That’s a good thing!  This time it is the restrooms in the center of the land.

Minnie’s house
The landscape work continues near Minnie’s house.

But the hills behind her cute cottage look really bad.

Here we are at Bennie Watch 2012.  So far, Bennie still has NOT returned.  We will keep you posted if we spot him elsewhere in the park.

And now for an ADORABLE random picture:

THAT is what Disneyland is about.

Speaking of the restrooms, work is still going on at the location near the Fantasyland Theatre (aka former Princess Fantasy Faire)

Disney California Adventure continues to persuade the remaining skeptics and is pulling in crowds that often match Disneyland itself.

Construction walls are still up to the right of the entrance where the final entry planers will be built.

Another Random picture that we shot which was too funny to leave out:

Who can come up with the best caption for this photo?

The new Disney California Adventure Christmas Tree will soon be installed in front of Elias and Company in the round planter currently occupied by ficus trees.

Perfect spot
Oh, ficus tree, oh ficus tree, you’ll soon be gone and Christmas-y

Ice Skating is ready to go in Downtown Disney.  Yes, it’s a tie-in for another mid-grade, direct to video animated film, but what a fun novelty for the season. Who remembers the annual ice skating at the Disneyland Hotel before the Neverland Pool was built?

The rink could open any day now for soft openings.  But it will have a grand opening on October 23rd to mark the release of Secret of the Wings.

According to Disney the prices will be
$15 for adults and children
$12 for toddlers
with an additional $3 for skate rentals.

We can’t leave the Downtown Disney area without giving you the latest from the Earl of Sandwich shop.  The intricate paint scheme is a little loud, but somehow it works.

Finally, the interior looks like a real restaurant.

There’s an homage to Compass Books in the wallpaper.

And finally, before the big Christmas Tree is installed, the rug in the center of the Grand Californian is being replaced.  Thankfully the beautiful pattern remains.

This is the second time (we believe) that the carpet has been replaced since the hotel opened. The first was due to a fire in the Christmas Tree a few years ago which caused soot and water damage.

Now it’s time to say goodbye to all our company.  We look forward to the future with timid optimism and hope that Walt’s spirit will be retained.  We aren’t sure what to think about Marvel in Disneyland. It’s sort of a worst case scenario for the Disney purists. We’ve all hoped that Disney would reserve Marvel for the Studio parks or for a new super hero theme park. Disneyland is not a museum and we are all in favor of the disappointing Innoventions being replaced. But, if not Marvel, what would you fans like to see built in its place? (keep in mind that the entire building, back stage area, part of Autopia and Sub Lagoon are all part of the expansion area).  That’s a lot of room to build something which might tie Tomorrowland together again.

Just a final tip: If you haven’t yet, take a look at Today’s Dateline Disney World which features images of the newly opened Fantasyland Expansion at Walt Disney World.

  • mratigan

    For the caption
    Love the Benny Watch 2012
    “Why is my iPhone leading me to this Marvel park? I’ve never heard of it!”

  • RX-24

    Excellent update as always.

    Caption: “DUDE! My hands are huge!”

  • Ravjay12

    How do you design the future? As soon as the Imagineers get it completely designed and built (which takes about 4-6 years), it will be outdated! Technology and trends change so much and so fast that another redo would be necessary in 10 years. I love what they did at Paris. They used what people in the 1800’s thought what the future was going to look like to create a retro-fantasy future that feels timeless. Marvel characters have been around forever, and I’m excited to see how they are going to fit it in a new Tomorrowland. Disneyland has always been about escaping what is real, entering another world, being part of a movie experience. Almost all their attractions are based on or inspired by movies. We have technology fairs and expos outside of Disney parks to see the future, and it is no longer necessary to see them at Disneyland. Walt Disney always welcomed change and improving on things, and I think Tomorrowland’s time is done.

    • Disneylandfan85

      I’m not entirely happy with Marvel characters in Disneyland, but maybe it won’t be all bad. It’s not like Marvel is taking over the entire land, only one attraction and a weak one at that.

      Back when Star Tours and other non-Disney-based properties first appeared at the parks, a lot of Disney purists were up in arms over it being there. According to David Koenig in his book “Mouse Under Glass”, they did not like the idea of attractions themed to non-Disney properties there. They accused the Imagineers of becoming lazy and unimaginative. Walt, they cried, wouldn’t have rented (or bought), say, the Muppets, he would have created his own characters.

  • Bigben51602

    Caption: So you’re telling me there’s going to be a man made of iron that shoots light out of these

  • tkkyj

    At least with Iron Man, there is a chance of getting that song that Richard Sherman owned for IM2.

    I’m sure WDI will latch onto all of the similarities to Walt at the Worlds Fair, much like most of us did when we saw it…

    • tkkyj

      Owned = penned

    • Disneylandfan85

      Maybe so. At least that might be a consolation prize for the fans.

  • RosevilleDisfan

    My initial reaction to Ironman in Tommorrowland was, COMPLETE HERESY. However, after reading many of the posts sighting all the other non-Disney attractions that are currently in T-land I am startng to relax over this plan. Maybe Norman is right and perhaps a retheming of T-land is a better option than being against more non-Disney elements in the park. What names or themes could you give the new T-land to make it more cohesive as a whole? What other ideas could be added to create better continuity?

    • lightofdarkness

      Let’s do an attraction by attracion listing at Disneyland and see which lands are the most “franchise” centric, shall we?

      Main Street – Moments with Lincoln, 1 attraction total – non franchise
      Score: 0% franchise

      Adventureland – Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones, Tarzan/Swiss Family Treehouse, 4 attractions total – non franchise, in production film, 4 non Disney films, non disney franchise made into disney film and cartoon series/ disney film
      Score: 50-75% franchise

      New Orleans – Pirates, Haunted Mansion/ Hauted Holiday, 2 attractions total – 4 film franchise based from original ride now converted, bad eddie murphy film based on ride with a redo in production from del torro based on original ride/ franchise holiday take over
      Score: 100% franchise

      Critter Country – Splash Mountain, Winnied the Pooh, 2 attractions total – based off segments from a buried racially charged Song of the South, long held Disney icon based off non-disney books
      Score: 100% franchise (possibly 66% franchise depending on the inclusion of Canoes as

      Critter Country or Tom Sawyer/Frontierland)
      Frontierland/Tom Sawyer – Big Thunder, Columbia, Mark Twain, Canoes, Tom Sawyer/Pirate’s Lair – non franchise, non franchise, non franchise, non franchise, island themed off book franchise with disney films afterwards/pirates franchise takeover of segments
      Score: 20% franchise (25% franchise if you put the Canoes with Critter Country)

      Fantasyland – Cinderella Castle, Snow White’s Adventure, Pinochio, Dumbo, Casey Jr, Storybook Canal, Arthur’s Carousel, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Teacups, Matterhorn, Small World, 12 attractions total – fairytale claimed by disney (many incarnations before and after by others) franchise, fairytale claimed by disney (many incarnations before and after by others) franchise, fairytale claimed by disney (many incarnations before and after by others) franchise, disney original franchise (who else would think up a flying elephant and talking crows?), same disney franchise (my family loves the monkey cage), a miniature tour of many disney franchises, confusing mix of cinderella and sword in the stone none the less a franchise attraction, fairytale claimed by disney (many incarnations before and after by others) franchise, fairytale claimed by disney (many incarnations before and after by others) franchise, based off single segment of the same franchise, non franchise, non franchise
      Score: 83% franchise (81% if you don’t consider the castle an attraction)

      Toontown – Roger Rabbit, Gadget’s Coaster, 2 attractions total – disney original franchise, disney orignal cartoon series franchise
      Score: 100% franchise

      Tomorrowland – Buzz, Star Tours, EO / Honey I Shrunk, Space Mountain, Innoventions / Iron Man, Autopia, Nemo / 20,000 Leagues, 7 attractions total – disney purchased franchise, non disney film and series franchise, non franchise / disney original franchise, non franchise, non franchise / disney purchased franchise, non franchise, disney purchased franchise / disney franchise
      No Iron Man Score: 42% franchise
      Iron Man / No EO Score: 71% franchise

      So… by no means is Tomorrowland any more franchise based than any other land. So stop it, everyone, especially Norman.

      • Disneylandfan85

        I couldn’t have said that better myself. All this whining is really getting tiresome.

      • Internitty

        Pirates and Hanted Mansion are NOT franchise attractions they were attractions long before the films so the franchise has built around them, Chistmas overlay is franchise so at best on a technicallity New Orleans Square is 25% franchise. There is a film coming encompassing the park as a whole and there are Disneyland video games and the original Disneyland television show so by the original logic …Disneyland 100% franchise.

      • Internitty

        Forgot they added Johnny Depp and Davy Jones / Blackbeard to Pirates add 10% more 🙂

      • OriginalMousekteer

        Don’t dismiss Song of the South as “racially charged” without significant discussion. There is a very vibrant, deep discussion on the history of the Uncle Remus stories which were documented and published by a white author in “dialect” form. I will not and cannot presume to speak for African-Americans on this subject, but I can observe that there are major voices that object to a white man “co-opting” black stories while there are others that recognize that at that time these stories would likely have been lost in their (close to) original form.

        Much of the controversy over the Disney movie was erroneously based on allegations of a black actor who was rejected for the role of Uncle Remus. Furthermore, there was a false allegation that the movie depicted slavery, even though it took place in the post-Civil War era and was none-too-kind to white trash bullies.

        Dismissing SotS as “racially charged” does it a disservice and does nothing to advance intelligent, literate discussion of the subject. To say that its depictions of African-Americans was a product of its time is not an excuse–it’s merely an explanation. If we are to glean any value from it, it must be from discussing it honestly and in its proper context.

        What I would say to other people of European (white) heritage like myself is that we MUST continue to learn–to listen to voices of people of color on these issues and also continue to question our own assumptions.

        But we must also recognize that SotS was a product of its time and has both merits and flaws.

      • quizkid8279

        I love this comment so much.

  • KENfromOC

    Agree with both Ravjay12 & Disneylandfan85 in many ways. This isn’t the 1960’s when technology and science moved at a snails pace and we were smitten by our big corporations and how they could make our lives better. Monsanto? Now the force behind GMO’s and defeating Prop 37 (by example only – not trying to get politcal). Few of us, certainly not those under 30, look towards a “tomorrowland” as some far off future becuase it better happn in a few months. Very few things wow us anymore. Perhaps it is time to end “Tomorrowland” in name and in spirit and go with a theme that is timeless such as the often brought up “Discoveryland” or whatever. Yes, many older folks will cry foul and say how can you eliminate an original land. What I really think it is what Walt would have done as he was always moving forward.

    • Internitty

      I like Ravjay12’s retro futuristic idea I would soooo back that idea!

  • jcruise86

    Caption: “NO, EVIL HAND, whatever it is, Goofy deserves to LIVE!”

    What would I like the Iron Man attraction to be?
    Thanks for asking me!

    I’d like a pre-show with three alternating versions where Tony Stark
    and Dr. David/Bruce Banner demonstrate many advanced scientific concepts in entertaining ways and, yes, things go wrong to their amusement. To “entertain and hope they learn something” (rather than teaching and hope they’re entertained) would keep with the spirit of Innerspace and Walt’s original Tomorrowland. Enlist Cal-Tech interns at Imagineering to help with this.

    For the show (and I know this won’t happen), I’d like Disney to admit that despite RSR, Universal is now at least their equal at attraction building and hire the pros who created Spiderman, Transformers and HP to make the new Ironman attraction. Make it thrilling, but still enjoyable for almost the whole family.

    Have another Peoplemover type attraction where Stark Industries Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow) takes us on a tour of Tomorrowland.

    Unblock the Tomorrowland entrance by moving the Astro orbiter and removing the rock work.

    • jcruise86

      I want Hulk to make an appearance during and at the climax of the Iron Man ride.
      Hulk =s fun – appropriate theming,
      and is > theming considerations as 360 America the Beautiful, & America Sings were. Even with Hulk, Tomorrowland could be well over 90% futuristic/innovative.

    • Internitty

      How good would that be to get the people responsible for the latest most innovative attractions at Universal to design the Iron Man attraction, As good looking as Cars Land is it’s not very innovative just rehashes of originally failed Disneyland attractions and Test Track with a Cars Land overlay, time for something truely worthy of Disney, just a pity Universal would have to create it.

      • Rebekkap

        Obviously you haven’t ridden on RSR. It’s not remotely just test track with an overlay – there’s a whole, beautifully done, dark section of the ride, two different options you go through to prepare for the race, and the race itself, which is much better than test track.

  • mratigan

    i think the only way to fix the land is to make it themed to a industry park

  • bearytrek


    “Which finger did I lose?”

  • aquaboi77

    I’m not the biggest Iron Man fan, but the movies were fine in my opinion. I will say, that I believe Iron Man is the perfect fit for Tomorrow Land. Just think about all the futuristic technology and cool gadgets that can be used by tying it to Stark Industries. And then Iron Man can swoop in for the entertainment factor. I know the kids will love it, and if they put the same attention to detail as in Carsland, the adults will love it too. Edu-tainment, that’s what Walt was all about.

    • aquaboi77

      I agree with me. I made a really good point.

      • aquaboi77

        That is so kind of you to say.

  • yoyoflamingo

    It’ll be interesting to see how the Fastpass changes affect the Gumball Rally this year. (Yes, I’m already thinking about it!)

    Wonderful report and photos, as always Norm! And you’re right: the picture of the girl with Dale is exactly what Disneyland is supposed to be about

  • Tanthus

    TomorrowLand can’t be done today. Every two years I get a new cel phone and it is 10x better than the last cel phone. Every 4 years new video game systems come out. LEDs/Flat screens technology can all change tomorrow. And you the consumer can get all of this unlike the past where even microwave ovens were too expensive for 10 to 20 years after the invention.

    You can’t use technology to look futuristic anymore. If technology is available it becomes so cheap so quickly everyone can have it.

    So here is your options: Up date it every 2 years like your cell phone, Get rid of tomorrowland, Go with fantasy and future stuff that will likely never happen. Movies are a great way of dealing with that. Peoples perception of what the “rules” are are already established, you can make a reality from the perception. Like “Star Wars’, that reality is already around in peoples mind, but doesn’t really exist. But you can’t start from scratch with that, people will not understand the reality that you are trying to present.

    • aquaboi77

      I agree with Tanthus!

    • OriginalMousekteer

      Three choices: Tokyo Disneyland’s Tomorrowland (late retro WDW Tomorrowland taken from 1971), Disneyland Paris’s Discoveryland (Back to the Future/beyond retro) or Hong Kong Disneyland;s Tomorrowland (alien spaceport).

  • splash114

    We visited WDW this summer and were instructed that the fastpass return times would be enforced. We had no problem with this and planned accordingly. It worked well. My thought then was that DLR would start enforcing the return times soon, and they are. I think this will make the fast pass system more successful. I understand that some will be upset with this practice, but they will adapt.

    • Disneylandfan85

      I am a little disappointed that the Fastpass rules will be more enforced, but I’ll get over it quickly.

  • RSZero1

    Caption – My Lifeclock is blinking! It can’t be time for Carrousel, they told us you wont age in here!

    • Internitty

      LOL best one yet, love a good Logan’s Run reference!

  • skoolpsyk

    Is it really going to be ice skating or that skatable plastic stuff?

  • SFDave

    For the caption contest … Here’s the finger I’m gonna give management for taking away our Holiday party!

  • Leofoenget

    Caption: Dude I have holes in my Handerpants

  • SpectroMan

    Caption: “I hope this fingerless glove will conceal my hairy palm…”

  • Gone2Disneyland

    Sorry, but seeing Iron Man spelled as one word bugged me. :/

    But about the Innoventions/Iron Man rumor, I was telling friends the day after Lutz posted his update the same as you, that Tomorrowland should get a name change to Pop Culture Land, since more than half of the land’s attractions will be given over to existing brands (Finding Nemo, Star Wars, Toy Story, Michael Jackson and Iron Man) and pop culture icons and the remaining Astro Orbitor, Autopia, the Monorail, and Space Mountain attractions are not. And in fact, it can be argued that even most of the remaining attractions could be described as pop culture icons as well.

    That said, I can’t imaging Tony Baxter and company haven’t already brainstormed ideas for how to justify bringing a Marvel superhero to Tomorrowland on top of the rumored plans to bring additional ideas and changes to the land. Hopefully, they’ll address head on with a name change. To be honest, just as they saw Pirates needed Depp, “Tomorrowland” now only really makes sense to us classic fans. 🙂

  • Omnispace

    As much as I enjoyed the nostalgic aspects of Stark Expo 74 and its “recent” incarnation in the movie, I’d have to vote against going with the idea of implementing it in Tomorrowland for the simple fact that it belongs in a different storytelling universe. It’s why Star Wars was a bad fit with Tomorrowland, (different universe, different galaxy), and why Indiana Jones works with Adventureland, (it’s a fictional story but set in our real past). The plain simple fact is that the Marvel characters were were created to exist in world that’s similar enough to ours to make it something we can relate to but skewed just enough to make the fantastic stories credible in their own right.

    Storytelling is something that Disney used to know how to do well. They profess to be experts now and yet they make the basic mistake of forcing incongruous stories together simply because they are all “futuristic”. It’s why Tomorrowland has become such a watered-down mess. And if the decision is to go forward with the concept of a Tomorrowland that once again expounds a better future through technology (aka Stark Expo) then why would a fictional realm work any better then the real one? The real story here is that Disney spent a lot of money on Marvel and they are trying everything they can to take the square peg they acquired and smash it into the round hole where Innoventions currently stands.

    My optimistic side, which by the way I gained partly from visiting the 1967 Tomorrowland when it was new, is really hoping that Disney at least creates something that is once again innovative and visionary and goes beyond what the “Jones” are doing. Tomorrowland’s original intent of showcasing the Space Age is certainly irrelevant now but the concepts of vision, inspiration, innovation, and optimism are all timeless and relevant. Disney should come up with some original “blow your mind” shows that push the limits of what path our technology is taking us. The attractions can still be immersive, escapist, and thrilling and yet still fit into what the intent of Tomorrowland was to be.

  • brian11811

    “Who can come up with the best caption for this photo?”

    (said in Kenau Reev’s voice).

    Dude… This is like.. MY hand…

  • UbIwerks

    Caption – “Crap! I missed my Fastpass window!”

  • Tinkbelle

    Caption: Does that say “Rowers of mowers gloom in the string?” uh… “Towers of flowers bloom in the sling?” I knew I should have memorized the lyrics!

    Yay for ice skating! I think that is a great Holiday addition to the resort.

    It is good to see the lobby getting attention at the GCH. I hope they pay some attention to the chair cushions next and the fireplace chairs that are starting to look scuffed and worn.

    I don’t mind Ironman coming to Tomorrowland. Stark is all about cutting edge technology. Hopefully they will display some of his fancy gizmos in the cue/ride.

    Boo for implementing strict return times on Fastpass! It won’t change wait times and all it does is take some of the flexibility and convenience away from the visitors.

  • Tinkbelle

    Caption – “Crap! I missed my Fastpass window!”

    Love it!

  • JessDisneyQ

    I wanna see Wall-E in TomorrowLand!!!! And don’t forget about Tron!

    • Internitty

      YES! YES! YES!

  • scarymouse

    Maybe its time to eliminate tomorrowland altogether , by that I mean everyone is right to predict the future and technology is a losing battle.We are given new phones and notebook type devices every couple of weeks to have a land survive in these kind of advances would be impossible .This is why nothing can last in this land, It seems space is the constant idea that has lasting appeal. If they can get away from the tomorrow aspect and stick with a space theme ,it could work for longer and would not be so hard to keep great attractions viable and lasting, space mountain isn’t going any time soon….star tours will be there for many moons to come……buzz not going anywhere…..rocketships……..staying put….nemo doesn’t fit really anywhere but its on the outskirts so ok, So something big in the corner could only help..autopia really carsland no brainer…….so an Ironman could work…I have faith in the imagineers to come up with something terrific and if it can get people interested in that real estate again,do it . Right now its not working so any improvement would be awesome…….Time to change the name to protect what is still good about the land…..

  • Awe_inspired

    Option 1: Change all of Tomorrowland to Star Wars-land (the anti-Potter at
    USH) Space Mtn retheme by installing floor to ceiling screens, riders wear
    3D goggles, projections change with each ride from space, to flying around
    Coruscant, to Hoth, etc. C- ticket for Starcade’s two floors using same
    vehicles as Mater’s Junkyard but moving along a track through show scenes,
    Terrace rethemed to Cantina, E-ticket to take the place of Innoventions,
    Pizza Port and Captain EO theater visiting several environs from the Star
    Wars Universe using suspended roller coaster instead of OMNI mover for a
    mild thrill, retheme Lightyear to Stormtroopers/battle droids/baddies
    shooter, retheme subs to Naboo, retheme autopia to sand speeders on
    Tatooine, retheme PM to Speeder Bikes or at least place “trains” of ships
    up there “flying around”, Move AO back on top of PM station retheme to
    X-wings and TIE fighters (geez long post!) Option 2: Remove Innoventions,
    Pizza Port, Capt EO theater replace with Journey to the Center of the
    Earth AND 20K Leagues near Nemo. Option 3: Change Innoventions to OMNI or
    suspended coaster ride visiting different planets- hot, cold, rainy,
    foggy, windy, all sorts of different environments/creatures to
    see/smell/hear. Beautiful, bizarre, scary… Mild randomly placed scares.

  • Wreckless Abrandon

    Caption – “You built a time machine… out of a trolly???”

    Yeah, I know wrong scene… closer to the “Scram Mcfly. I’m cuttin in!” scene, but it didn’t read right. I’m going to a Back to the Future midnight screening tonight.

    I’m ok with the Ironman idea! As long as it’s fun, and not a copy of Transformers or Harry Potter, I’m good with it. Not that there’s anything wrong with the technology used for those rides, but I don’t want Disney to be playing “catch up”

  • Zorro825

    Awesome update as always!
    Caption: “They call them fingers..but I’ve never seen them fing”

  • eicarr

    What would Disney have said about Honey I Shrunk the Audience or Innovations?

    Iron Man has that cool 50’s Tomorrowland vibe from the Stark Expo. The Marvel movies are becoming more and more alien based and that’s what tomorrowland needs. Alien fantasy will take longer to become dated that concepts of future tech.

    What made me sick was the infusion of pocohantus into frontierland stores and winnie the pooh into critter country. I like real world elements in the park and its great and refreshing to have real world elements. Putting a bad ass character from Marvel to draw all ages (including parents) should be applauded. I’m just so thankful we aren’t only getting a high priced beauty and the beast restaurant and other areas aimed to place me into the realm of a princess.

  • mksgrist

    Caption: “Made in China? Must be Disney product….”

  • mbyrd

    “Disneyland’s Tomorrowland will be mostly filled with film-franchise based attractions. Only Autopia, The Monorail, and Space Mountain would be non-movie and neither really has much of a story behind it.”

    Don’t forget that Astro Orbitor isn’t based on a franchise either. It’s a pointless ride (Dumbo with rockets really) and it should go, but just as a factual statement it’s one of the rides in Tomorrowland that doesn’t have a movie behind it.

    I also really think that Nemo should just be classified as Fantasyland. I mean subs aren’t futuristic and Nemo doesn’t even really claim to be. It is right there on the border of the two lands, so I think they should just lump it into Fantasyland where it belongs.

  • sonnyk155

    Caption: This hand. This hand. This magic hand that starts all the rides, takes all the fast passes, and runs the train……is magic. This MAGNIFICENT hand of a Disney Cast Member.

  • brianpinsky

    It is time for a major over haul of TL, TT, and MS. Tomorrowland is and ever since 2001 been an empty story that they try to fix in small parts but just does not do a thing but contiue guests. Toon Town is just becoming a great big mantince problem. The problem started over at Chip’s and Dales and has moved across the land with the safty problems. Main Street is in definate need of expandtion with this side street, I think the putting it on the west side where they already on busy nights open this way up to get Fantasmic guests out faster and moving the docks for Jungle Cruise is small burden than to change the staging area for the parade. Also the demostration for Next Gen Fastpass this week at MK gives me hope about the main enterence at DLR but not about the usage in the park. The idea of not handing your pass/ticket to a CM to get in but having people do it on thier own sounds awsome. My only question how will it work for children? An adult figuring out how to insert it into the turn style is one thing but asking a 5 year old to do it as well or having them enter the park before the adult and not running off when they see one of the charaters is just asking for trouble. I don’t think the CM are going to be able to handel Fastpass when the bar comes down. And many rookie CM are still going allow the guests with expire pass through because there is no punishment and the rules will be laxed again. This is going to a very had lesson for TDA that what they do is not what is pratical in practice. The CM on the front lines are going to go pratical everytime and not the orders from TDA. When was the last time TDACM has been a frontline CM in the park.

  • Internitty

    The captioning picture I’ve noticed no one has a caption based on the fact the guy has 6 fingers

    • Bronco21

      No he doesn’t. His shirt may look like an extra finger, but he only has 5.

  • apatten22

    Caption: This is my best John Cena impression … You can’t see me!

  • LoveStallion

    I think we can almost guarantee that Iron Man will be in the same vein as Harry Potter or Transformers. Disney knows it is suffering without a similar attraction under its belt, and Iron Man lends itself pretty well to that.

    Plus, they won’t build a coaster right next to another coaster, and they won’t put in a pure simulator when Star Tours is right up the road.

    And good riddance to Innoventions. Long overdue.

  • troyer

    Interesting that the near virtual certainty of the subs removal wasn’t mentioned. Why the removal of such a popular attraction? Simply, it is a(greedy)cost cutting move, given the high maintenance cost of the attraction. And as we’ve seen since the ’80’s, the profit motive reigns supreme(unfortunately)at Disney. All other considerations far and away rank second. Sickening to see Walt’s genius so denigrated by Disney corporate executives/accountants with so little appreciation of the Disney genius/magic. I urge everyone to make your complaints heard at Guest Relations and to cast members such as at the(now virtually non-existent)Penny Arcade. If no one complains, expect more greedy cost cutting changes throughout the park.

  • Aotphks

    Caption: “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit”

    In regards to fastpass times being enforced, I am glad they will be. Expecting to ride and enter the fastpass queue (and being given permission by employees to do so) was simply abusive and a disservice to those who stood in the stand by lines. I understand that many will argue that getting a fastpass was a service available to all visitors, but once fastpass distribution ends, those who didn’t have the chance to get one were at a disadvantage, period.
    My family and I never abused this priviledge when we visit the Disney parks. We return at the time posted on our tickets. Trust me when I say.. it’s not that difficult to do.
    I say…Play by the rules, or eliminate the fastpass system entirely.

  • DisneylandManFan

    Caption: “Yes, Supreme Leader Iger. Resistance is futile.” 😉

  • quizkid8279

    Does no one else see the irony in this caption?

    “Would you like to see Iron Man find a home here? Should a different attraction go here instead (Tron perhaps)?”

  • Fortune Red

    Yes, Tomorrowland would benefit from a complete overhaul to give it a cohesive story and commanding presence. Heck, I remember thinking Tomorrowland was outdated when I was a kid in the 80’s. But what are the chances Disney is going to drop that kind of coin? I’ll just be happy to get a new, expensive, well themed E-ticket, as Disney has had tight purse strings regarding those type of attractions in recent decades on the Anaheim property (Indy 1995 through Radiator Springs Racers in 2012 ?, or arguably Tower of Terror in 2004?). The land is a hodge-podge of styles and themes, and Iron Man definitely seems more futuristic than most aspects of the area in it’s current state. Plus, most pre-teens and teens these days just see Tomorrowland as the ‘cool’ area with the ‘big kid’ rides. The Ironman attraction will just add to that reputation. While it won’t fix the area, there’s no risk in making it worse.
    Although, truth be told, they could replace Innoventions with a museum on the history of urinal cakes and it would be a HUGE improvement!

  • Skimbob

    I personally would destroy Innoventions, Nemo and Autotopia and replace that area with something more like a Star Wars land. It is still futuristic. It makes me think of Avatar land at Animal Kingdom. If you could create the forest and the Ewoks from Star Wars it would be really cool. I just don’t think Marvel really fits with the overall park. We definately need a change in that part of the park so any change will be an improvement.

  • dizneydomenic

    Not sold on Marvel in the Park at ALL. I’m all for pulling innoventions out of the building. It was a waste of the space from day one. I just can’t believe they haven’t come up with a better show idea to utilize the carousel theater! It’s a unique building (1 of 2) in Disney theme Parks. Come on Guys, Walt new he had a great idea…wheres the imagination?? They want to update Tomorrowland …im all for it.. The starcade too is a waste of space now upper and lower level.. The people mover tracks and ridiculous waste of space above it that spins every once in awhile to music…. what gives?? There IS a lot of fixes needed… Tomorrowland lost its kinetic energy when the carousel of progress/america sings and both skyway and people mover were pulled… I miss that world on the move… Tomorrowland was always the happening place in the 1960’s to 1990’s… then more attractions got pulled than replaced.

  • cammysan

    photo caption: “I though only pirates got the black spot”

  • Bronco21

    “I swear I had that suitcase in my hand a second ago… At least I still have a dream.”

    Just because Disney has gotten lazy over the last 20 years in terms of Tomorrowland does not mean the theme is bad. Everyone keeps saying that its impossible to keep up with, but Space Mountain, Monorail, and Astro Orbitor/ Rocket jets are all just as relevant and popular as they were 30 years ago.

    The rides that have not retained the same level of lasting power are are Captain EO/ HISTA, Rocket Rods, Autopia, BLAB, and Innoventions. What was wrong with these attractions? All of them were either built originally or rebuilt on the cheap. 3D movies are cheap shows that have never had lasting power. Rocket Rods was built with a much smaller budget than it deserved. Autopia was relevant in the 50’s-80’s, and when it got rennovated in the 90’s, the majority of the money was spent on the ugly entrance/ queue area with very little enhancements added to the ride. BLAB was built as a clone of the attraction in WDW because it was cheap and popular. Innoventions was only built because Imagineering did not want to see the carousel theater go (and management complied because it was super cheap).

    The reason Space Mountain (1977), Monorail (1959), and Astro Orbitor/ Rocket Jets (1998/1967) is they were built with quality. In 1998, when Disney decided to revamp Tomorrowland to a half *** version of Discoveryland (what so many people want them to do even now), and it failed. The paint scheme was awful, the place reaked of cutbacks, and the major new attraction was broken more than it was up. I do not blame the new theme they tried to push, I blame the execution.

    The idea that they cannot keep up with the theme of Tomorrow is the same as saying they can’t do any other theme. The key to a theme working is execution. Disney’s decisions in the past do not mean that the theme is undoable or irrelevant. Just as the rides under the original theme still work, the theme can still work.

  • ralzap

    Tomorower land need to keep on existing. it will never be finished, but it was.
    The carosel of Progress Returns, with a ever changable ending. Autopio is toast without a new green or inovative theme. Capt Eo gone. Submairnes Re-imagineered or gone. Tranpotation a theme. People movers, monorails. Space the next frontier….It will cost money, and it will never completer
    .”The Best Time of Your Life”

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