The Wheel of Years has been sent spinning and when the clicking stops, the red arrow will point to a year – that’s where we’ll start. The tale can flow forward or backward, flow into any subject depending on where my 81 year old hard drive decides to go. We’ll both be off to whatever we find. – Bob Gurr


Today’s Wheel of Years stopped at 1951, so here we go. Being a member of the local Horseless Carriage Club, I’d attend various gatherings of “brass era” auto collectors. At one such meet in 1951, I met a most interesting guy who had a 1911 Maxwell fire chief’s car – cutest darn thing ever. I told Dan Post of Post Publications in nearby Arcadia California about this guy and his little cutie. At the time, I was writing my first book with Dan. “Why, that’s my friend Ward Kimball, a famous Disney cartoonist”. Dan soon drove me over to Ward’s house so I really meet him. I noticed railroad tracks running down the side of the house – good gosh, there’s a steam train in the back yard!


Ward and I became fast friends, he showed me his Maxwell and the train too. In the house he had a room filled almost to the ceiling with every kind of toy, a narrow path meandering thru the stuff. But what caught my eye out back was a big red fire engine, a 1916 American LaFrance. It had a sign saying “Firehouse Five Plus Two”, which was the name of Ward’s Disney Studio ragtime band. This guy is truly nuts! Ward and Dan were long time friends who loved antique cars – and steam locomotives too. Sometime later I ran across a 1938 MG Magnette Roadster for sale – cute little yellow thing. I told Ward about it and he ran right over and bought it. Car collectors – nutty people all.

Note: When I went to work the next year in Detroit for the Ford Motor Company as a car stylist, I met Dick Teague, Chief Designer at Packard. Mentioning Ward Kimball, Dick told me he sold the Maxwell in 1945 to Dr. Homer Wise of Los Angeles who later sold it to Ward. Like Ward, Dick and I became life long friends. See, this stuff is all connected!
Returning to California in 1953, I resumed my friendships with Ward and Dan while writing my second book on car design. One day Dan said that Ward was going to drive the Maxwell in a Temple City parade and needed a professional American LaFrance driver to handle the big fire engine. Dan sent me over to Ward’s, telling me Ward would teach me how to drive it. What I didn’t know until later was that Dan had told Ward I was already fully qualified as a fire engine driver. Uh oh.


Arriving at Ward’s home, he’d hooked his horse drawn 1888 Silsby steam fire engine to the tow bar on the back of the American LaFrance. Another uh oh. This big old rig was a right hand drive, manual transmission, shifted with a giant brass outboard lever next to a big hand brake lever. Worst part – it had a cone clutch, which I did know about. They were so touchy, get it wrong and you’ll break something. You’ll also break transmission gears if you get it wrong. “Start ‘er up and we’ll get radiator water at the gas station”. Oh no. Ward stood on the running board waiting for me start it – absolutely NO INSTRUCTIONS. Dan had pulled a dirty trick on both of us.


Somehow I found neutral gear, knew what magneto switch to flip, which way the spark retard lever was to go, and put my foot on a floor button. Oh my gosh, it fired right up with a vibrating rumble of an open exhaust. So far so good. Now, you must realize big gears take a long time to slow down inside a big truck transmission and you can’t just move the shift lever willy nilly. Disengage the clutch, wait for the right moment and slide the gear lever – snick snick – no grinding! I got it into first. Off we went. Now for second – when your moving it’s a bit easier. Got past second into high. Rolling right along, Ward’s got a bid smile while I’m drenched with sweaty armpits. I’m driving a real fire engine. Yahoo!


After putting water in the leaky radiator and loading up about twenty kids who wanted to ride in the parade, away we went – downhill. Another uh oh. The monster had only rear two wheel mechanical brakes and we’ll have to stop eventually. It took all my weight and strength, pulling myself up with the steering wheel to apply enough pedal pressure to stop. Whew. It soon became real fun, I had a siren, I was learning how to double-clutch, eventually shifting smoothly without using the clutch. Oh wow, I really was a professional fire engine driver. It wasn’t until 1998 that I ‘fessed up to Ward that I had no idea how to drive it, that Dan told me you would teach me. The look I got from Ward was just too precious. Car collectors indeed.



In the spring of 1958 I had the chance to tell Walt that we didn’t have a fire engine on Main Street at Disneyland. “No bobby, we don’t”. A few minutes later the accounting department called to give me the charge number for the new fire engine project. Even Walt has to get a charge number. Oh happy day, I’m going to finally get my very own fire engine, even if I have to share it with a few million Disneyland guests. As Rolly would say, it’s kind of a cute story, maybe it’ll be a future spin on the Wheel of Years.


Did you enjoy this turn of the wheel folks? Have you ever stopped to see that fire engine on Main Street? Let’s hear from you below.

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Bob Gurr is a true Disney legend who was hired on to design the Autopia for Disneyland. Over nearly four decades, Bob would become famous for developing the Monorails, Submarines, Flying Saucers, antique cars and double-decker buses of Main Street, Ford Motor Company’s Magic Skyway (at the 1964-65 New York World’s Fair), Omnimover ride system, Matterhorn and lots more. It has been said that if it moves, Bob probably played a part.

Upon leaving Imagineering in 1981, Bob worked on a number of “leisure-time spectaculars” and “fantastical beasts” for parks and developments all over the world. Most notably, he created King Kong and Conan’s Serpent for Universal Studios Hollywood, A UFO for the closing ceremonies of the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Olympics, and the memorable T-Rex figure featured in Steven Spielberg’s motion picture “Jurassic Park.”

You can find Bob’s column, Design: Those Were The Times, right here on MiceChat. Though don’t pin Bob down to a schedule, he’s busy being “retired.”

  • daliseurat

    Great story. I can’t believe you actually managed to drive that engine well enough to not get caught by Ward. It’s like a scene out of an old comedy!

  • Jeff Heimbuch

    Ha! Somehow, I imagine the whole scenario like a slap stick comedy!

    Nice Rolly shout out, too!

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  • There needs to be music playing behind this article like you’d hear in the Main Street Cinema.

    Loved every word. More, more!

  • Bruce Bergman

    Oh, I believe it – He knew the essential things – The gear pattern, how to work a manual spark advance, how to deal with a totally un-synchronized “Crash-box” and Cone Clutches Are Touchy.

    The rest is only going to come with experience – “Dive in the deep end and go.” Been There, Done That – but not with anything quite THAT old. There was this 1951 Chevy 2.5T Step-Van with the sloppiest 3-On-The-Tree…

  • LeonardKinsey

    Another great story, Bob! Loving these, and can’t wait to see where the wheel stops next!

  • JulieMouse

    Love it…it’s like an I Love Lucy episode!!! Thanks for sharing; I can’t wait to ride on the Firetruck and think about your excitement when you got that charge number!

  • Amy VandenBoogert

    Another great story! Keep them coming, Bob!

  • JiminyCricketFan

    That was a great story. People don’t realize in this day of automatic transmissions and power brakes that it took real skill to operate these antique vehicles. I loved the story about fooling Ward. I am sure you were scared spit-less, but it sounds like you did a fantastic job. Although, I don’t think I will be personally climbing in with you the next time you want to drive an antique fire engine.

  • SnorkletsMom

    Oh great. Now I want a fire engine. And Bob to drive it! What an awesome story! More please!

  • Trevor

    Just fantastic! This little gem is becoming my most eagerly awaited read on the internet. It is so den t earth and real. So much more entertaining and passionate than today’s tech blogs, etc!

  • justjohn

    Bob, I can’t thank you enough for sharing these stories with us! As lifelong Disney fans, you have no idea how much it means to us to hear these insider stories from someone who was there! Keep up the great writing! I look forward to your next article!

  • tinkermonkey

    Bob – once again I’m finding myself transported in time as I read your words. I worried right along with you as you wondered if you would stop the engine as you went downhill with 20+ kids on board! What a joy it is to have you as a columnist here on MiceChat so we can learn all these treasures behind what helped make Disneyland extra magical. THANK YOU!

  • hollywood1939

    Man, Ward was all over the place. In a band, had a railroad in his backyard, car nut. Thanks for the story. The Disney geek in me feeds of this stuff. Can’t wait for more!

  • Lee Mallaby

    What a brilliant story, i can imagine the panic of having to do something you barley know how to do, that the person your with thinks your FULLY capable of doing. But to actually do it and do it well. Amazing!
    Great story Bob.

  • tassie

    WOW! what an amazing like you have! I can only imagine the things you have seen and done. Thanks for sharing this little part of you life

  • Tracey Mallaby

    I thoroughly enjoyed reading this memoir and felt as if I was there on the running board myself. I had the Firehouse Five +2 playing while I read (I love ragtime) and found myself reading to the tempo – great fun! I can’t wait to see where The Wheel of Years takes us next.

  • caesarboxfan

    Awesome story, Bob! Always love hearing first-hand stories about you and your fellow Imagineers. Thanks for sharing, and please keep ’em coming!

  • MiceChat Staff

    Lol. This is the funniest story by far.

  • Bob tells the best stories!

  • Caela Botka

    Awesome story about the fire engine, thanks Bob!

  • Eric Davis

    Thank you again. This is an incredible story about something that is relatively a small detail in the grand scheme of things!

    You articles are great, and I am looking forward to each new one!

  • unclemike

    I love these articles–thanks for sharing, Bob!

  • 4Apples4Disney

    I always look forward to these!!

  • Dizzey

    Wow – this reminded me of a time when I worked at a Nature Center right out of school. They housed us “rookies” in a farmhouse that used to belong to a “departed” inventor. Stuffed way in the back of the barn I found a 193X Dodge farm truck, complete with a leather-belt type Power Take Off mounted on the rear bumper. I don’t know when it last ran, but it had my name all over it. A couple of weeks of tinkering and I got it to fire up! I didn’t know a damn thing about driving it, but I saw my father double-clutch an old firetruck once and after grinding a couple of pounds of metal I had it pretty well down. What a lot of fun bringing that old Bessie back to life!

    Thanks for the great story!

  • DisneySarah

    Such a fun story! I look forward to hearing more of them!

  • lesterpablo

    So wonderful! Keep ’em coming!

  • disneylandfan8

    Another wonderful memory. Can’t wait to see where you’ll be taking us next time.

  • ajcphantom

    I just love these stories! Keep them coming! 🙂

  • disneylandfan8

    The Wheel of Years is still spinning…….