Previews have begun of the new Seven Dwarfs Mine Coaster at Walt Disney World. Situated in the Magic Kingdom this final piece to the New Fantasyland was 4 years in the making, finishing off a land that had its grand opening a year ago, complete with a flying fire breathing dragon.

Special thanks to our friends at Orlando Attracitions Magazine for sharing this wonderful point of view video of the highly anticipated attraction. Click play below and watch the ride from the front row and then the back row.

Having watched the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train ride video, do you think this attraction is the silver bullet that New Fantasyland needs? Will it help Disney World fend off the Harry Potter expansion at Universal? Let us know your thoughts below.

  • torgo

    Adorable! I don’t think it can compete with all the Potter additions, but it is very cute for what it is.

  • FlynnLives

    This looks like a fun ride for the kids but I don’t see it bringing in thousands of people just to see that one ride like Harry Potter does.

    Disney really needs to get the Star Wars themed lands going.

    • mondo

      Do the Star Wars Land at DHS first

  • disneydempster

    Great video – thanks for sharing it. I don’t understand the comparison to Harry Potter they are in different universes, like which is a better a pineapple or lasagna. I think it is a huge enhancement for WDW FLE and is targeted to the WDW and Fantasyland demographic which is families with children. My kids are grown but I definitely will ride this coaster. Looks fun and a wonderful mix of minor thrills and very beautiful details and rich effects.

    • It certainly isn’t fair. But that’s what’s going to happen all summer long. Disney is opening Dwarfs and Uni is opening a Potter expansion. Both are aimed at more or less the same demographic (tween and early teen boys). Families will be asking the question “Which do you want to go see”.

      Ultimately, this is a VERY pretty and solid attraction. But it will be compared to what Uni is doing just down the road. Therefore, it’s a valid comparison.

      • randlev

        Yeah, I don’t think the subheading of this post and that comparison is fair at all. Ideally yes they’d be on the same level, but I don’t think Disney would really compare them either. I look forward to Avatar Land and the eventual Star Wars and (probably west-coast) Marvel projects for an actual Harry Potter “response” or in MiceChat’s drama-inspiring description “killer.” Of course the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is not a Harry Potter killer.

      • BradyNBradleysMom

        @Dusty Sage —

        I don’t think it’s fair to say they are aimed at the same demographic at all. I like the comment about these being “pineapple and lasagna” comparisons. I’m going to use that metaphor from now on!

        Potter = aimed at kids in their teens all the way up to adult Potter fans. Diagon Alley is filled with clever in-jokes, detailed references to the books, and is kind of spooky and dark compared to anything Disney does. It’s a more mature world of attractions and environment. It really was built to be a destination unto itself, like people would make a special trip to Orlando JUST TO COME SEE Diagon Alley and experience it. Both Potter additions combined really do create a mini-third-gate for Universal in the sense that the Potter stuff truly is a park-within-a-park and a “Potter World” at Universal, more than just an island at IOA or a land at USF. I see Diagon Alley as Phase 2 of a possible three or four phase project that creates this de facto “Potter World” at Universal that is a draw in itself.

        Mine Train = aimed at young kids (over 38 inches) and families. This is not aimed for teens at all. It’s not even aimed at tweens, really. I think this is aimed at five year old kids of both genders and up to maybe 12 year olds. And it’s aimed at families to experience together with young children. I see this ride being a big hit with grandparents on vacation with grandkids. The grandparents know and love Snow White and these classic characters…but grandparents might not want to ride coasters like Big Thunder or Space Mountain. This mine train is the exact kind of thing that grandparents can feel “cool” for riding with the kids and the kids will be thrilled they got grandma and grandpa on a “coaster”. Some people in the fan community might laugh at that, but it’s a big deal in our family. My mom and dad can ride this ride, but they do not do coasters. It’s mild enough for them though, and something that interests them. I can see us going on this as a family and my sons talking about it forever.

        The mine train is not meant to draw people across the country just to ride the mine train. This is just something new that’s added to New Fantasyland, to be enjoyed along with all the other things added. If you notice, ALL of the New Fantasyland additions are ALL things that grandparents can enjoy too. Fantasyland is really the area that’s most for all ages, for families to do together. Four and five year olds up to 80s year olds (and above) can do all of the new things in Fantasyland. That can’t be said about Potter. Disney was not trying to add thrill rides here.

        The Magic Kingdom is not a thrill rides park. I think maybe one day in the future that Disney will make DHS into a thrill rides park, maybe with Star Wars stuff deep into the future…2020s or so. But Disney is really targeting families (pineapples!) while Universal is serving up attractions for the teens and older (lasagna!).

    • CaptainAction

      WDW execs slow walked the Dwarf Train to compete with the whole Potter land experience.
      I’ve been told by soo many folks here at Micechat that the idea to slow walk the Train was genious marketing by WDW. I really disagree.
      WDW set up the comparison.

      • BradyNBradleysMom

        I don’t think the execs set up a comparison at all…I think they wanted something new to open for Summer 2014 at Magic Kingdom to take advantage of the people coming to town for the Potter opening. This way, Disney can get a day out of those people at least in a Disney park even though they flew across country just to see Potter.

        It was a way of having them say “Disney has some new things to check out. It’s worth going there for a day even though we came for Potter”. Disney thus benefitting by spending just a little bit of money (in comparison) to the large amount of money that Universal spent for a new attraction in 2014.

        If Disney can get the Potter guests to take on just one Disney day that they weren’t planning on tacking on before Mine Train, it’s worth it.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        “I don’t think the execs set up a comparison at all…I think they wanted something new to open for Summer 2014 at Magic Kingdom to take advantage of the people coming to town for the Potter opening.”

        That opening delay, in and of itself, sets up the comparison.

        “This way, Disney can get a day out of those people at least in a Disney park even though they flew across country just to see Potter.”

        They’re already getting a day out of those people, for the most part. The paradigm hasn’t changed: people get off plane and out of car and spend, at least one day, going to Disney, which means “going to the park with the castle in it.” To put this another way, there’s a whole slew of people who fly across the country to see Potter, and while they’re there and have already made that expensive investment in their vacation, are going to see the iconic Magic Kingdom, Seven Dwarfs or not.

        “It was a way of having them say “Disney has some new things to check out. It’s worth going there for a day even though we came for Potter”. Disney thus benefitting by spending just a little bit of money (in comparison) to the large amount of money that Universal spent for a new attraction in 2014.”

        This statement, in and of itself, is the ENTIRE THESIS of the current crop of Disney critics. The idea that Disney isn’t investing ENOUGH in new attractions and experiences, and when they do, it’s of a lesser investment than their competition up the street. It’s this cynical view of their theme park attendees as an audience swayed by something less-than-possible for premium-prices that’s driving the current critique. And while folks l certainly don’t present their critiques without derision, sarcasm and repetition, they’re not wrong in noting that Disney-as-company has made targeted investments versus premium investments.

        “If Disney can get the Potter guests to take on just one Disney day that they weren’t planning on tacking on before Mine Train, it’s worth it.”

        Again, and I’m a Disney Fan from both a business and theme park perspective, this is the exact critique from those who think that Disney should be doing more. To put this another way, should the industry leader (by a long shot, land slide both locally and globally,) be playing such a strategy?

        I’ll say this: I don’t give the critiques of New Fantasyland much validity when they tread upon CONTENT and THEME: from the back of the castle to the station for the train around the park, Disney did a bang up job of creating a highly detailed, layered and thematic land at the Magic Kingdom. It’s exactly what we, as the fan community, have been clamoring for since the early 1990s, and the company delivered, in droves.

        I DO give the critiques involving the Disney corporate cynicism and slow or measured investment (or even divestment) MUCH validity, because while Universal (both locally and soon, globally) is stepping up to the plate with the full intent to play, and working on both the superior attractions/theming/investment as well as the resort-captive-audience experience fronts, Disney is taking a more cynical, brand-power, historical-leverage approach. There is absolute validity to the critique that Disney isn’t doing enough for the guests it has or those it wishes to retain or attract (just as there’s absolute validity to the business strategy behind it: if people keep coming and keep spending more money, why do more than we have to to retain them?) Again, while critical presentation on these boards is somewhat lacking in refinement and an understanding of debate, they do present a valid point regarding Disney corporate cynicism.

      • Cory Gross

        “Again, and I’m a Disney Fan from both a business and theme park perspective, this is the exact critique from those who think that Disney should be doing more. To put this another way, should the industry leader (by a long shot, land slide both locally and globally,) be playing such a strategy?”

        It seems to me that WDW’s real response to Harry Potter would be a bus to Universal. If the fight is really over room nights rather than a few bucks at Honeydukes, then “stay at WDW and enjoy our humungous resort with all these things to do with all our beloved characters, and we’ll even give you free transportation to Universal” would be the way to go. I dunno’…

    • AaroniusPolonius

      It’s absolutely a valid comparison, one that Disney itself has set up. There’s no way that this admittedly solid and well-themed attraction should have taken FOUR YEARS to build, except for publicity’s sake.

      I agree that the attraction versus Potter 2.0, viewed as side by side, shouldn’t be compared and that they are apples and oranges. HOWEVER, the timing of the attraction’s opening is clearly meant to great “new ride” news for the summer just as Universal is opening up PotterLand 2.0 up the street. Potter at Universal’s theme parks is the key to getting people to visit and to discover all the other awesome stuff to do there; that’s been proven via the original expansion and the lesser lifts from Universal’s other massive improvements. So, Disney clearly, obviously timed this to capture some marketing and PR mindshare.

      Alas, while I think that they’ll get that mindshare and publicity, they’ve also invited a direct comparo via this taking way, WAY too long to open.

      I’d have given Disney the benefit of the doubt regarding the new, projected audio-animatronics tech had they opened LAST summer, or maybe even a little leeway had there been two scenes (such as an expansion of the cottage/witch outdoor scene at the end.) But, c’mon. This took FOUR YEARS to build.

      • Kevbot217

        It took a year and a half to build. Announced in 2011, construction began in September 2012. It’s open in May. That’s a year and a half, not four years.

      • Kevbot217

        Retraction: construction broke ground in January 2012. So 2.25 years. Still not 4.

  • JiminyCricketFan

    I think that it is very cute. I found it interesting that an adult on the ride is yelling “Wow!” when the turns are going on. Is this a kid’s ride? I find the theme to be very child-centric but the track is more thrilling that some kids will be able to handle. I only see adults riding it so far. Have any kids, early elementary school age, ridden it so far? I would love to know their reaction.

    I don’t think that this will be thrilling enough to please teens. I think they will be much more impressed with the Potter world at Universal.

    • DuckyDelite

      I agree. It seems like a ride that can’t make up it’s mind. Is it too fast or too slow? I was really hoping for more show scenes and less coaster.

      However, I do think they have done a great job. The cottage at the end is a great touch and pure Disney. I’m trying to decide if the 6-year-old-me would have ridden it. I think the coaster aspect and people screaming on the ride would have frightened me away. I hope kids today are more courageous than I was 🙂

  • DisneyFan1

    Loved seeing that Snow White and the Evil Queen are in the ride! This ride is going to be a hit.

  • VWSpawn

    Love the mix of classic dark ride with a thrill in between. Not a Potter Killer but still I like this. the back car looks like a blast to ride!

  • bosscajun

    Cute and very detailed, will make a nice addition to Fantasyland and will take the load off of the other rides there. Will be great for the family and young children. Sorry but the NEW Harry Potter area over at Universal will blow them away with it’s detailing. I was there yesterday, and it is very detail and between it and Transformers there is no way it will compete. WDW will need to do the Star Wars and Cars Land to help them out.

  • Does it seem like the swinging cars may actually counteract some of the thrill of the ride? I’d like to see them lock a car from swinging and test it out. I bet it would be a bit more of a thrill.

    • CaptainAction

      Yeah, the swinging cars probably take some of the thrill down a little. If the cars didn’t swing it would be a little more thrilling.

    • BrianLo

      It sounds like it’s the opposite. In the same way that Mater’s is improved because you are whipped around corners. From what those who have ridden it say it’s surprisingly works, more so than videos demonstrate.

  • michael darling

    Outstanding! I hope they go back and retrofit ALL the dark rides with this ‘new’ technology. Watching Doc is like watching a real Dwarf come to life, unbelievable. Is it a ‘potter killer”? “silver bullet”? Does it really NEED to be? Apples and oranges. It’s so weird to hear so many comparisons nowadays. You didn’t hear this stuff 10 years ago. Go to whatever the heck park you want to. Go ride whatever rides you are attracted to, for crying out loud. That’s what it’s all about. That’s why there is a variety of theme parks.
    I know that this will definitely get a visit out of me and my fam, this summer while in FLA. We enjoy Disney magic, plain & simple.

  • Chernabog

    It definitely looks cute, though I though it was strange that in the first ride-through the dwarfs were eerily silent until “Heigh-ho” and then in the second ride-through the dwarfs sang “Dig dig dig” and then were eerily silent through the last part. Shouldn’t they sing both parts?

    The ride seems fun. and the animatronics look VERY well done.

    • michael darling

      Must be working out the kinks. They most likely sing “DIG DIG DIG” until you get to Doc, who starts off ‘Heigh HO”. It’s cool that you can hear the song while going up the first lift, coming out of the mine shaft. Only negative: wish it was twice as long. It’s beautiful.

  • DisneyDoll

    It certainly looks like a very fun ride & I am glad that you actually see Snow White & the Wicked Queen. I personally feel there could’ve been a little more dark ride to the attraction but what they do have is outstanding.

  • jcruise86

    I don’t remember the semi-fast little mine ride scene in “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.”
    If you contrast this with EPCOT opening in 1982 it’s a little bit depressing.
    If only Central Florida were getting a mine or indoor train ride
    that was bigger than this
    that actually captured a scene in a movie.

    Just messing with you Disney World fans! 🙂
    It’s an impressive little C Ticket. Peter Pan and Disneyland’s Dumbo & Casey Jr. Circus Train rides are pretty great, so this spiffy, diminutive kiddie ride with its impressive effects is in good company.

    • BradyNBradleysMom

      You’re using the words “C ticket” and by implication “E ticket” incorrectly. That’s a common thing I see with people who never experienced the ticket books. “E ticket” does not mean it’s a thrill ride…but instead it’s an attraction that’s highly sought after and that everyone will want to do in the park.

      Yesterdayland has a great breakdown of what the “tickets’ were for, A through E. You would be surprised what an “E Ticket” really was.

      C Tickets were: Fantasyland Theater, Mad Tea Party, Autopias, Shooting Gallery, Peter Pan Flight, Dumbo, Mr. Toad’s, Snow White, Keel Boats, Mr. Lincoln.

      E tickets were: Mine Train Ride (at Disneyland, not the same thing was this new ride at WDW), Pack Mules, Jungle Cruise, Monorail, Matterhorn, It’s A Small World, Enchanted Tiki Room, the Subs, Pirates, Country Bear, Haunted Mansion.

      If the tickets were still being used, clearly the Seven Dwarves Mine Train would be an “E Ticket” today. You cannot make an argument that this ride is not as impressive as It’s A Small World or the Jungle Cruise, and both of those were E-tickets.

      • LoveStallion

        Nah. I think this is a D ticket.

      • billyjobobb

        we’ll see when this thing opens to 4 hour waits.

      • CaptainAction

        Yeah cause there’s nothing else guests haven’t been riding for 12 years.

  • BradyNBradleysMom

    Let’s give a fair appraisal of this, starting with the fact that Disney never trumpeted anything in the New Fantasyland as a “Potter Swatter”. That term (which has become kind of cliche and obnoxious, in my opinion) is something fans came up with. It was never Disney’s intent as a business to do something to trump or surpass Potter at Universal. Instead, Disney seems to be enjoying the boost in tourism that Potter brought to Florida…since before Potter it was a simple fact that Universal didn’ t have anything that made people come down to Orland in droves. Disney sees any new push to bring more people to O-town to be good for everyone (a wave that raises all ships in port).

    I think this ride is charming. I can see it being a new favorite for many families. I love this as a “first coaster” for my son and the mine is just gorgeous inside. It’s (in my opinion) a better ride than the old Scary Adventures of Snow White. I like the surprise appearances by Snow and the Witch at the end. Just enough to create an illusion that these characters are alive in the park, like the dwarfs.

    I don’t think you can compare New Fantasyland to the Potter projects because they are apples and oranges. Universal needed to raise its bar and up its game in a serious way, and Potter did that. Disney did not, from a business perspective, need to raise its bar and up its game. Fans hate this (and I am a fan who hates this fact every day) but it’s true. Universal needed (and still needs more) a huge infusion of spending and top notch, world class attractions like Potter. Disney didn’t need anything that drastic. But, New Fantasyland is just enough to tempt back people who were on the fence about making a trip back to WDW. Potter was needed by Universal to convince people to come to Universal for the first time. There’s a big difference there. Universal had more heavy lifting to do.

    A fully realized and expensive Star Wars Land is the real “Potter Swatter” (can we please retire this term?). Disney is holding Star Wars as the ace, the trump card. If Disney built a Star Wars Land on the level of Potter (or topping Potter), that would be enormous. It would dwarf Potter (and I happen to be a big Potter fan).

    Disney does not see a need to do this though. Star Wars is kind of Disney’s nest egg, rainy day, power play. It’s being held in reserve, which I think is stupid because everything has an expiration date. But they clearly feel they can wait until the 2020s to build a Star Wars Land.

    Part of me wants Disney to miss the boat and get burned by being so stupid with this. But I think they feel that if they built Star Wars then maybe Universal would top it and they would have no trump card left. I think they don’t want to ratchet up the back and forth with Universal too much because it would just lead to a big Cold War style spending race between the two. Disney doesn’t see itself as being in competition with Universal, but rather sees Universal as being an entity that benefits because Disney is in Orlando, and there is a symbiosis where people going to see Potter also will go to Disney.

    If that symbiosis ever changes, we’ll get Star Wars. I think my sons (both pre-teen now) will be in college or have kids of their own before there is a Star Wars Land. I guess I can look forward to maybe taking my grandchildren or great grandchildren to a Star Wars Land.

    • Cory Gross

      Disney doesn’t need a “Potter Swatter.” Disney IS a “Potter Swatter.”

      I hate the term too, by the way, because it misrepresents a situation that you very nicely clarified here. Disney hasn’t had to “up its game” because there ISN’T a game. Universal is an also-ran, and Harry Potter provided a reason for people to go to Universal AT ALL. If Universal keeps dumping more money in and becomes competitive, then yes, Disney may have to start competing with them. Until then, why would the #1 theme park in the world have to compete with the 10th?

      New Fantasyland has all the marks of Disney not really feeling the need to compete with Potterland. Rather than go toe-to-toe, they just did what they felt like doing to fulfill certain goals that they had for themselves.

      • CaptainAction

        Nah, this is pre 2009 thinking. The moves Universal is putting on WDW have just begun. You have to see what Universal is up to. Avatar is not going to move the needle.
        Between 2009-2013 Universal grew at 39%. This is only after firing one Potter Land off. This is before Transformers, Springfield, Despicable Me, Hogwarts Train, Diagon Alley, Gringott’s Escape, London, Cabana Bay, King Kong, Skull Island, new giant area where everything outside ET is being removed for a new kid area, Third Gate, 2 more hotels, Waterpark/themepark, all connected to Citywalk with monorails, etc.
        WDW is no longer a swatter. That began ending in 2004. Trends take a while. WDW’s has begun and so has Universal’s.
        If Universal grew by 39% before they opened 15% of what they have planned…

      • Cory Gross

        Yes, we know the script.

      • CaptainAction

        I know. I think it’s funny that folks who enable the current WDW execs don’t know how to respond to all the Universal plans.
        All this compared to an Avatar Soarin’ ride, boat, and mess hall.
        This WDW execs group could go down as the folks who let Universal attendance pass Epcot, Disney Studios, AND Animal Kingdom!
        I hope they do go down as the goofs who rested on OTHERS’ laurels and lost dominance to Universal (except for Magic Kingdom).
        I hope they also go down as the goofs who decided to STOP targeting their biggest fans and switch targeting to theme park novices. WDW always has targeted both but going as cheap as they have, they new they would have to ditch folks who notice nothing new was happening for 10 years.
        Then WDW may get execs who care about the parks, the guests, and money, but not just money.
        Then you’ll get cute coasters in 1 year, while E Tickets are opening at other parks, and more restaurants so folks don’t have to plan meals 180 days out.
        Then everyone can thank Universal!

      • Cory Gross

        “I think it’s funny that folks who enable the current WDW execs don’t know how to respond to all the Universal plans.”

        1) I am not an enabler. I am a consumer who wants to buy what Disney is selling, and doesn’t really care about what Universal is selling. That leads to my second point…

        2) I don’t have to “respond to all the Universal plans” because, outside of discussion with you guys who feel its REALLY IMPORTANT that we know you disapprove of WDW, I DON’T CARE what Universal’s plans are. As I’ve said before, we’re giving Universal a day out of our trip for exactly TWO reasons: Harry Potter and Jurassic Park. And I don’t have to respond, or care, because…

        3) It’s not a contest. You can like both.

  • Tom319

    I love how the ride ends on a sinister note with the hag outside!

    • LoveStallion

      That was the biggest surprise! Loved it. Great touch.

  • Ravjay12

    This is their summer draw? My 7 year old saw it and thought it was boring. My 5 year old saw it and said she’s not going on it. Just saved myself 500 bucks! I’m so happy I won’t have to spend my day at the Frozen meet and greet! They really should’ve copied that mine train ride from Disneyland China. Landscaping looks great, though!

    • BradyNBradleysMom

      There’s no such thing as “Disneyland China”. When did they build that? I don’t know of a park with that name.

      There’s Hong Kong Disneyland (which does not have a dwarfs’ mine train, unless you mean the Big Grizzly Mountain Runaway Mine Cars…which is basically a new version of Big Thunder).

      They are currently building Shanghai Disney Resort. Last I heard, that will be getting a clone of the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train ride.

      • LoveStallion

        I believe he’s referring to BGM in Hong Kong. Ravjay bringing the international politics into the mix. How dare you call Hong Kong “China.”

        BGM is fine, but I think it really lacks full theming. It just looks bare.

      • Ravjay12

        Yeah, sorry I met Hong kong Disneyland.

      • solarnole

        Disneyland China is the magical factory where happy slaves make Disney toys and get paid with magic beans.

    • CaptainAction

      My 11 year old said it looked really slow. He liked the mine but laughed how slowly the train left the cave. That video saved us $500. I wouldn’t have spent the $500 on one cute coaster anyway.
      More money for butterbeer.
      WDW copied The Mummy at Universal too. They took a 60 second ride and paused it at several points and slowed it down to stretch out another minute.

      • Cory Gross

        I love shorter lines! Thanks! 😀

      • LoveStallion

        CaptainAction, complaining once more.

  • joshteevee

    Big Thunder and Snow White’s Scary Adventures had a baby!

    Kind of weird to see the hag in daylight, but I bet that scene looks cool at night.

    • BradyNBradleysMom

      OMG! I am laughing out loud at this. I LOVE how you put this: Big Thunder and SWSA had a baby! So true and such a fun way to see it. It really is like a hybrid of that.

  • luvdisney63

    Thanks for the video. Looks like fun!

  • a-mad

    This looks like a great addition to Magic Kingdom and to New Fantasyland. I disagree that this is only a ride for young kids and their parents/grandparents… this is a ride that everyone will want to go on. I’m not saying it will be a tween/teen’s “favorite” ride…. but its going to be one of those experiences that everyone in a family/party will want to do at least once on each visit to the park. Disney needed to gauge a thrill level that would please very young kids all the way up to seniors, and in that – they have succeeded. The exterior of the ride is gorgeous. The dark ride portion looks terrific, and will be a lot of fun. I didn’t realize they were going to add the portion with the cottage at the end… and is a nice touch – a tip of the hat to the old dark ride. I was wondering what they were going to do with the cottage… and I’m glad it was more than just a good looking set piece.

    When we were there last February, New Fantasyland was packed with people, and felt very kinetic – even without the Mine Train open (and in the off-season to boot)… I’m expecting this to draw a lot of people, and make New Fantasyland even more popular with guests.

    I am very excited for what Diagon Alley has to offer – and I know it is going to be very impressive, esp. Gringott’s. But the height limit will probably be something like HPatFJ – which was great, but half of our party wasn’t able to ride it. I think Hogwart’s Express is actually the more valuable attraction because Universal is offering something that everyone can do together – which is what they need more of in their parks if they want to successfully compete with Disney.

  • scarymouse

    Nice family ride, a smart addition to a park in need of more rides. It fits right in.They should have already started on the next one.

    • danielz6

      I don’t consider this an” addition ” to magic kingdom when it’s essentially replacing the snow white ride that they ripped out for princess hug zone. Lets not forget that. All these recent “additions” are built where old rides used to be like 20k leagues and toad.

  • mickEblu

    @ Bradleynbradleysmom

    When rides like the jungle cruise came out they were the cream of the crop and the most sought after attractions. Now we have attractions like Indiana Jones , Splash mountain etc so based on that I would say the dwarves mine train is probably a D Ticket. Of course this is not taking account that when the ride first opens it probably will be the most sought after but through the test of time and after the initial new factor wears off I see the Dwarves Mine train as a solid D.

  • nish221

    Couple of things not noted yet.
    * The hag AA is very good. I think it’s state of the art.
    * Love that homage to the dark ride at the end.
    * If you look at the swinging, you can tell that it is NOT moving strictly with the centrifugal force. Rather you see it swinging back and forth even on the curves. Of course, they emphasize it with several “S” curves. And from the adult’s reactions, I think it’s a bit more “thrilling” than the track alone.
    * The rock work is top notch. (ala DCA’s Cadillac Range and MK’s Little Mermaid)

  • Skimbob

    Thank you for this ride video. I think it is an awesome ride that surpasses the old Snow White ride. Fantasyland was very well thought out and put together in a way that makes total sense. I also wondered about the two songs being played at the two different ride throughs. I also wonder if the tilting slows the ride down but I am guessing this ride is targeted at young kids and adults more than as what one would call a thrill ride.

    As for the whole Potter thing I agree with those that say we need to quit comparing. Like I have said over and over again spend your dollars wherever you want. I love what Disney has done and will continue to frequent all the parks on both coasts.

    To Disney I would say it took longer to make than what it should have but as always Disney put a lot of work into the show.

  • BradyNBradleysMom

    I had another thought about the comparison to anything Potter: this ride is really something that should be compared to Flight of the Hippogriff or Dragon Challenge in Hogsmeade at Universal. That’s a more apples to apples comparison.

    * those rides and the mine train are both lower-thrill rides for families

    * the Mine Train actually has much better theming and better hiding of the coaster track within a mountain structure, instead of how at IOA the steel tracks are just bare and exposed and ruin the theming of the surrounding area

    * the Mine Train actually aesthetically adds to the theming of the area, instead of detracting from it.

    I think instead of people thinking that Diagon Alley will make the Mine Train look shabby what’s really going to happen is that people are going to ask why Universal has ugly steel tracks up in its Hogsmeade area when Disney shows you can build a coaster and still have the theme look gorgeous all around. People won’t care that the two coasters outside in Hogsmeade were just repurposed. Universal could have done detailed theming on those like the Mine Train, but it chose not to.

    I think people will wonder why those two coasters look so bad while the Mine Train is so pretty…and they all deliver roughly the same kind of thrills.

    • EC82

      Agreed with the assessment of the mine train, but in point of fact a tiny percentage of people care about “aesthetics” of roller coasters.

    • danielz6

      Nobody’s going to ask why universal has exposed tracks in the park. They’ve been there since park opening. You’re absolutely right this is best compared to hippogriff because it’s more of a reimagined scary adventures on a coaster track than it is a new ride. So yes this beats hippogriff easily. However this or anything else in Magic kingdom cannot be compared to Dragon challenge as that is an intense coaster nowhere near anything in MK.
      However if this is most comparable and superior to hippogriff, then we have to concede that magic kingdom has nothing that compares to Forbidden journey.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        …and lest we forget that the Disney corporation has invited this very comparison themselves by taking a ride that should have take two years to build and stretching it out to four, just so they can have “new stuff news” to tout in the marketplace.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        “However if this is most comparable and superior to hippogriff, then we have to concede that magic kingdom has nothing that compares to Forbidden journey.”

        THIS^. This is the critique of current Disney park issues in a nutshell and the “not enough” thesis. New Fantasyland is really awesome. It answers a lot of the problems we, as theme park fans, had with Disney rides and investments in the Eisner/Pressler era (I present: Dino Land USA.) It’s thematically gorgeous, complex and complete. But, it’s NOT ENOUGH, especially when your competition is doing thematically gorgeous, complex and complete PLUS a genuine, state-of-the-art, groundbreaking E-Ticket as the centerpiece of the experience.

      • Kevbot217

        “by taking a ride that should have take two years to build and stretching it out to four”

        The ride took 2.25 years to build. They broke ground in mid-January of 2012. Dislike it all you want, but facts are facts. You’ve just complained about the length of time it took to build by saying it should have taken the exact amount of time it took to build.

    • solarnole

      The new restaurant and joke shop at Diagon Ally look better then this.

      Universal was smart to spend a little more to make all the stuff indoors because the weather in tropical Florida is not kind to outdoor rides.

      Magic Kingdom basically got an outdoor dark ride at the expanse of an indoor one. I guess it makes better business sense to force people into gift shops when it rains.

      • Cory Gross

        I would hope the new restaurants and shops look good at Harry Potter Land, since Harry Potter Land is MOSTLY stores and restaurants. Daigon Alley is, what? 1.5 rides with 9 shops and 2 restaurants. Hogsmeade opened with 2 refurbished rides (hi Barnstormer!), 1 original ride, and 5 or 6 stores and a restaurant. Potter is primarily a shopping experience, magically removing hundreds of dollars from your wallet for robes and brooms and uniforms and $50 wands. Their brilliance was turning shopping into an attraction in itself. The one thing I will hand them is that they know what people want from Harry Potter: it’s not a t-shirt with Mickey as Harry, it’s to become a student at Hogwarts. And boy, are they ready to sell you that!

  • jerrypatalano

    i love disney i am 68 and come back every year my wife is 54 kids 30 25 and 16 my 25 year old is a computer programmer for disney ok now for my say it is disney you want thrill rides go for 1 day to universal maybe 2 and than you are bored disney gives so much more you cqan’t compare to harry but why would you disney gives a big bang for the buck fantasy romance and memories rollar coaster looks like a lot of fun

    • a-mad

      ^ THIS!!!

      Thanks Jerry…. you hit the nail on the head.

    • Cory Gross

      I second that! You hit the nail on the head Jerry!

    • solarnole

      I love how Epcot is so romantic about 1982 it’s like almost nothing was touched since the day it opened.

  • EC82

    Hm, let’s see. A cute, REALLY mild little kiddie coaster with a couple of scenes from the old “Snow White” ride. Can it be a Harry Potter killer? Can it compete with a wildly inventive, completely immersive experience that is just part of an entire land that envelops you in story, detail and setting and is about to be augmented with TWO additional major attractions based on some of the most popular movies of the past decade?


    At some point soon, the piper is going to ask to be paid for that $1 billion+ spent on the wristband program.

  • tooncity

    Cute little ride, but hardly worth a special, must see trip.
    Nice animatronics, mine and a touch of the witch (how long will it function being outside).
    Could use some story narration inside the mine train.

    You’re Just riding a nice looking kiddie coaster, then a slow part, we’re in a mine (why are we in a mine) then the coaster picks up again, for no reason. Then we stop to peek through the cottage window (a little creepy) then a scary witch, then you get kicked off. Where’s the story?? Do any of the Dwarfs know that Snow White is in danger?
    No chase at the end? I’m not trying to be a bummer here, but it looks great, but it’s kind of a “that’s it!” feeling. A narrator/storyteller with onboard music would do this attraction wonders.

    Certainly not a highly repeatable ride. And sorry to say NOT better then Scary Adventure Dark ride it had replaced. Now if they had taken the old ride and given it the NEW Dwarf Animatronics, then that would have been a wonderful ride that you could ride again, again.

    Should be very interesting to see what they do with the proposed, now put on hold , upgrade of the Snow White Scary Adventure ride at Datedland.

    • EC82

      Looks like a cute little coaster with some scenes next to it — scenes that were in the original, low-tech dark ride. I dunno, looks fine for what it is. Can’t imagine what the wait time is gonna be like on that, though! If it were more than 10 minutes, I’d pass.

    • topdad1

      So that’s what we get for a last minute addition to the Fantasyland expansion. I sure hope they try to top themselves next time.

    • Cory Gross

      Have you seen Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs? The movie? Just curious.

      This ride clearly represents an extended snapshot from the film. You’re on a mine cart careening through the hills around the Seven Dwarfs’ cottage and into their mine. They work in a mine in the film, and the mine appears in it. At the end you pass the cottage transferred over from Snow White’s Scary Adventure, which compresses the dancing scene where Snow White and the Dwarfs are having fun and the scene where the Old Hag is lurking up on on the cottage. It’s showing a fun little moment but hinting at the drama that comes later in the story, for which you either have to watch the film or fondly recall the film if you’ve already seen it. I don’t think it’s at all incomprehensible.

      I’m not sure what would make this themed roller coaster less worthy of riding multiple times than any unthemed coaster, or any other type of themed ride that is totally, rigidly scripted and exactly the same every time you ride it. Also, where comparing this to all of Potterland is pineapples and lasagna, comparing this to Snow White’s Scary Adventures is apples and oranges. They’re based on the same movie, but they are different types of rides. I’m not sure that it’s reasonable to ask which is “better” in any technical sense. Which is “better”: Space Mountain or the Haunted Mansion?

      For me, this looks totally worth multiple rides. I can easily see me making a point of riding it a few times each day that we’re going to be in the Magic Kingdom. It’s got a very nice mix of what I enjoy, like beautiful theming based on a classic film, at a nice speed that works for me. This is the #1 thing I am now looking forward too when we go to WDW in September.

    • danielz6

      Excellent point tooncity. It’s a question nobody has asked but one that has baffled me since I knew about this ride. Why on earth is the dwarfs mine on a high speed banking coaster track. Every other coaster Disney makes the coaster track within a mountain, the story behind the ride warrants the use of a coaster ride system.
      Examples: BTM Indian deities are angry at the overmining of the mountain and cause the mine trains to runaway. Matterhorn: you’re not on a coaster it’s a bobsled so high speed and fast turns are expected. Space mountain: like Matterhorn the coaster is simply there to simulate a different ride altogether, in this case a space ship. Everest: the yeti has destroyed the slow train ride justifying the coaster experience. , same with grizzly mountain in Hong Kong. Same goes with raging spirits, rockin rc etc etc. The coaster is always justified by the story being told.
      So this ride should actually be a slow ride through the mine and the coaster track actually goes against the story that’s being told, since there’s nothing in the movie or ride to justify the dwarfs mine being on a coaster track! This is the first time I know of that Disney has done that. Again, baffling to me.

      • LoveStallion

        Interesting take.

        Or to make it adhere better to the realities of story, perhaps a wild mouse mine-type coaster? No banked turns, etc?

      • Cory Gross

        Mine carts on a track through a mine owned by the Seven Dwarfs makes WAY more sense than Doombuggies inside an old haunted house or open-air rockets in Space Mountain (FYI, you would die in space in a rocket from Space Mountain). Of all the caterwauling by people who don’t want to ride this ride (fine, then don’t… shorter line for me), I’m genuinely surprised that THIS is eliciting any complaints at all. Is it legitimately THAT hard to comprehend what this ride is based on?

      • danielz6

        Love stallion yes I think wild mouse would’ve been much better to relate to the story that’s being told. And it could be like dopey accidentally releases the breaks to send the carts zooming ahead. That’s what I expect from Disney roller coasters where the coaster is actually part of the story, not separate from it.
        Cory, space mountain is open air because a closed cabin would be relatively boring. The wind helps simulate speed which makes the ride exciting. Obviously a certain amount of imagination is required for these rides

  • TwilitWings

    Thank you for the video!

    I agree with everyone who said that it isn’t really a fair comparison to say that this ride will be the ride to “defeat Potter”. In my own personal opinion, Universal has been doing supremely well in their own right even before the inclusion of Potter and has only improved since the addition of Potter–in fact, I like Universal Orlando better than Disney World. That being said, Disney World has its own charms and this ride (and the new Fantasyland in general) cannot really be directly compared in any way that is effective to anything in Potter Land.

    The ride is cute and I thought the scenes well-made and timed, but I do think it also ends incredibly abruptly and I was expecting at least a “climax” with a race through the mines to defeat the Witch. I do think it’s interesting how the ride slows down and speeds up between scenes though–it’s a nice touch.

    • CaptainAction

      Yeah, they copied Universal’s, “The Mummy” ride for that one. The Mummy ride slows down and lets guests take in scenes and then speeds up. So, one more example of the old leader following the new kid.

      • LoveStallion

        I don’t really think they specifically copied the Mummy. Light coasters with slow, dark ride portions intermixed are becoming increasingly commonplace. It’s not that new of an idea for Disney or Universal.

      • CaptainAction

        Not at WDW or DLand or Dland Paris.
        I’ve never been on one of these outside of the Mummy. The Mummy has been open for 8-10 years.

  • Kenny Loggins

    It looks great, but doesn’t do anything for me. I enjoy the scene at the end, but the dark ride scene is just blah besides the animatronics, which look pretty cool. I’d ride it if it had a 15 min wait or so, but I’m not gonna go out of the way for it, especially with BTMRR in the same park.

    My biggest issue though…three years?

  • topdad1

    Cute , but not the ‘Potter Swatter”( and I like that term) Good thing people complained about the Fantasyland redo, that was to heavy on the fairy factor. Now I wonder how long WDW will have to wait for Star Wars attractions? Avatar? what who? Marvel?, Well- they spent $4 billion for the rights for each of them. Let’s see who they listen to, and hope it’s more than 3 minutes worth.

    • CaptainAction

      The operative word here is, “cute”.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with “cute,” and I wouldn’t have even one shred of issue with this cute ride had it opened a year ago. It’s well done, nicely detailed and it fits within the overall larger context of the New Fantasyland expansion.

        But, for this amount of time, cute needed to be bigger and better than it actually is. A Seven Dwarfs coaster with three or four show scenes, with the new facial tech telling a long story across a massive mountain? That could both be “cute” and an “E Ticket.” (Splash Mountain is a cute e-ticket, right?)

        It’s not a bad addition. It’s pretty great, actually. It just took too long and there’s no real reason that it should have.

      • CaptainAction

        I agree, nothing wrong with cute.
        Cute is good.
        They just need to be doing other things than just cute, at the same time. Since there are 4 parks. There’s plenty of land.
        Now we hear about Avatar for 4-5 years, ugh, groan.

  • Trumpet

    I will wait until I can visit before I am making my final thoughts. But in my opinion, I think the outside is good. Nice and thrilling and a great big drop, which is what I like! Still, the inside is too short for what we have been told by the Disney Parks Blog. I know they are basically PR, and completely biased, which what they say in each article is basically a load of tripe. Getting back to this, I felt it was not big enough. Maybe I wanted a bigger dark ride, as the previous one was removed by the WORST part of the expansion. It was good, and maybe a combination of the mine and the snow white ride would have been sweet.

    I will not bring Universal into this, as I do not know what will happen with Diagon Alley (but for the record, it looks fantastic, and the cutting edge in theme park development), I think the argument that Disney planned this and it is good business it a complete load of tripe. A theme park and resort needs to expand, with attractions. Everything else, like shops, restaurants come later, but this has been pushed to the for front saying “new attraction” in big bold lights.

    Before the replies stating, you are not the target market, and kids will love it, yeh, I know, but kids will love most things. Maybe it is because it has been delayed to 2014 (yep, if you read the press release of the Mine Coaster, with the rest of ‘New’ Fantasyland, it states 2013), and from what I have seen, it is lacking in a punch. Not big thrill, but something that will make you say WOW! For me, the ride never got going, never went pow! It was very slow, and grinded when you realise the dark ride section is so small, but the ending drop makes up for it. However, the abrupt ending is just so weak. Disney, give us more. I would happy take a massive mine coaster if they expanded it. Heck, if Disney really wanted to push the boat out, it could have been amazing. Length to justify the cost of the ride. It is to short for the time, money and investment that has gone in.

    I could get into why Magic Bands, My Magic + and all of the other ‘helpful’ investments that Disney has been pushing so much recently, but I think this has hindered the full potential of the attraction. I will not dispute that Imaginering has done a fantastic job, the detail, and inside look amazing, don’t take me wrong, it is brilliant, but, where I think it has gone to far is the blanket statement is “this is the final part of the ‘New’ Fantasyland” From the weak Little Mermaid (which is a classic film, I expected more), and the large and expansive restaurant (which is probably good, but I think too much money and time went into this compared to the rest of the land), and the meet and greet hall (which for me the best and most memorable was meeting your favourite character in the middle of the park, not at a certain time. Still have goose bumps from seeing Pluto down Main Street), it feels bland.

    What has happened, and it has been like this for a long, long time, is that Disney has tried to keep a facade of “Happiest Place on Earth”, but with all of these investments, which just feels like it is grabbing your money for nothing. There are people who will still love this, and I am not going to complain about that, they have done a good job, but from THIS level of hype, and promotion and Disney having videos and pictures and construction workers saying “this is the biggest and most complex thing we have done”, no I want to be blow away and is awe. I want my jaw to drop. I want to say, “Disney, well done” The last time was seeing the Rockwork for Cars Land and Buena Vista Street (which should never be cloned, come up with something original Disney), and it is magnificent. Maybe it was a charm, but this is lacking it. They have cut corners in the imagination, and what they can do. We need someone with vision, who wants some form of attraction that will make you want more. It is this breed of suits that makes me believe that if THIS was the best they could come up with, then, we need to get new and fresh talent in.

    Ideally, there was nothing wrong with the old version, and I would have kept it, as this is not a worth replacement. However, saying this is the best Disney can offer, and from what the grapevine is saying about the future of Disney parks, then, please help up, because you can do so much better than this, and I still have hope.

    Before I go, I want to just reply to some comments, Brady, I think it is unfair to state that the Dueling Dragons should be replaced. It is a fantastic roller coaster, and to replace it would be pointless, and not cost affective. People love it, so why remove it?. It would be like removing fish and chips from a restaurant, when 80% of your customers love it. Also, saying the track work is ugly and not hidden, umm, the trackwork for this ride is pretty obvious, and looks very much standard coaster track, with logs below it, would have made it look like BTMRR as that has the sleepers in between the track, and not under it. I don’t think it removes from the theming, as the they are hidden in the area, and can only be seen outside of Potterland, so not much of an impact. Have you been in the Dueling Dragons? If not, don’t say remove it, as you are only have one side of the arguement.

    And finally, I think I should say it is justified to wait 4 hours to see a character. No! Sadly, they are part of this on-demand population now when we want to see characters when WE want it, not when they appear. My best moments are seeing them in the park, and not having a selected amount of time with them because I am in a queue. That ruins the magic of the area.

    And what is the influx of interactive queues? I always had a conversation with my parents in a queue, and have a laugh. Are these touch screens and water fountains there to look after the kids while the mum and dad check the twitter feeds to see what is the latest Donald Sterling controversy, or if how many times your comment on Obama care has been re tweeted.

  • airick75

    The only thing bigger than Harry Potter is Star Wars – get on it, Disney!!

  • Fukai

    As a coaster it looks like mild fun. The AA dwarfs in the first cave, are terrific. But what a disappointing ending. Figures dancing on the other side of a window that you can barely see, and the old hag for just a second.

    Where’s the Evil Queen?

    You can see the big budget chop here: there should have been a third show stop. Creaky and old fashioned the Snow White dark ride may have been, but at least there was some small sense of the story. Here there is no sense of the story: just dwarfs and a terrestrial coaster. A definite letdown. Let’s hope that if OLC builds in Tokyo Disneyland, they plus it the way they do almost everything else, and we get another show stop.

    • BradyNBradleysMom

      You do know that the evil queen transforms into the old hag, right? That’s her. They are the same person, like Miley Cyrus and Justin Beiber.

      She walks around the park in her beautiful form all the time. They will probably have her and Snow White doing that as face characters near the ride.

  • sean317

    This ride is awfully short. Is this really Disney’s answer to Harry Potter? I give the animatronics 8 out of 10 though.

    • BradyNBradleysMom

      This is not Disney’s answer to anything. It’s just a nice thing they built for Magic Kingdom’s Fantasyland. That’s it.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        …timed to open in the same season as Potter 2.0. It’s just a nice thing they built for the Magic Kingdom that just happened to open now? From Disney, the master-marketing company? I don’t think so.

  • waymire01

    It’s super pretty. Love the animation, beautiful colors, shadows on the second lift, and the witch at the end was great. I was very impressed with the speed control, was very smooth transition from fast to slow and back again. The coaster part looks fun but I think a lot of kids are going to come off crying.. I agree with one of the previous commenter that it’s either too fast or too slow for the demographic. It’s like they tried to mix snow white’s scary adventures with big thunder mountain.. and SWSA was too scary for some kids and carried a warning for parents. It’s going to be too fast for the littles, and not “extreme” enough for the middles, leaving the older folks who still appreciate the classic characters as the only ones who “fit”. The biggest surprise for me was the length though.. that was sooo short. I totally expected another dark section and perhaps another length of track at the cottage.. but nope, you were right back in the station. Considering it took the same amount of time (3 years) to build this as it did expedition everest.. I guess I expected more.

  • Cory Gross

    After seeing this footage and Disney’s video of the interactive queue, this is now the the #1 thing I am looking forward to at WDW when my fiancee and I go for our honeymoon in September. It looks FANTASTIC!

    For this sort of ride, this is exactly my speed. I am primarily a dark ride kind of guy, followed closely by walkthroughs and anachronous transportation, with thrill rides trailing behind. I love attractions that craft an environment and draw you into an experience. I ESPECIALLY love this when it is drawing me into the world created by a film, author, or historical period that I want to experience. Ordinarily I would stay far from drop rides and roller coasters, but I make exceptions if the theme of the ride is strong enough. A relatively gentle coaster themed to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs – one of my favourite Disney films – is GREAT. I LOVE the fact that this is themed to a classic Disney film as well… Not being the hip, latest thing is a PLUS. It’s wonderful to see Disney investing in its own legacy. Couple the ride with the queue and this is definitely something I would ride multiple times each day I’m in Magic Kingdom.

    But… but… but.. What about Universal!? I’m going to present a radical proposition: you CAN like both! I like Harry Potter, and that is also a world I want to enter into. I also want to enter into the world of Jurassic Park, even more than Potter, so we will be going to Universal for a day. Potterland gives us a reason to go to Universal at all. We weren’t even going to get the parkhopper until Daigon Alley was announced. I’m not going to take anything away from Universal that it is actually owed. By all accounts, Potterland looks great. The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is not competition for all of Potterland. However, all of Potterland is not competition for all of WDW either. Universal is an also-ran. But it doesn’t have to be a competition either. You can like both.

    Accepting this ride for what it is, I am very excited about it. I’m probably as excited for it as my fiancee is for Enchanted Tales with Belle and Be Our Guest (Beauty and the Beast is her favourite Disney film and pretty much the reason why we’re going to WDW rather than returning to DLR, DLP or TDR). And if somebody else doesn’t want to ride this and go take their ball to Universal and whatever, great, one less person in line in front of me!

    • AaroniusPolonius

      Cory, as a Disney fan (my can’t miss park is Epcot for the 80s future meets alcoholism trip around the world,) you really should check out Universal Orlando.

      Potter’s greatest gift to Island of Adventure has been to expose the public to the rest of that park’s superior, well-themed and expansive offerings. Truly. I thought that IOA would have been a game changer when it opened a decade plus ago. It really was/is that good. Heck, The Lost Continent was basically Beastly Kingdom BEFORE Harry Potter took over that section of the park. (And I miss the old “living stained glass” queue of Dueling Dragons.)

      Seriously, Islands of Adventure is a terrific theme park. It has two “must see must ride” attractions in the form of Spider-Man and the Harry Potter ride (as in, holy cow! These rides are amazing! rides,) and a bunch of really good, well-themed and quality coasters, flumes, boat rides and the rest.)

      Universal Studios Florida has spent the last decade rebuilding their attractions as well, ranging from reskins (Despicable Me and the Simpsons) to new stuff that’s really awesome, as well (Mummy is mos def a “must see must ride” ride, and if Transformers is basically Spider-Man expanded, go for it.)

      The danger for Disney is that if Potter does for USF what it did for IOA, which is to say that if it gets guests to see all the OTHER awesome stuff at Universal Orlando, it may very well trigger the paradigm shift in visitation. Now, we, as theme park visitors, may very well benefit from this, because Disney will actually have to invest heavily in their parks as a result, so we might get some awesome attractions all around out of this, but, in my opinion, Disney shouldn’t have played this strategy.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        Cory, I guess what I’m saying is that if you’re going to Orlando to visit Disney anyway, you should really check out Universal Orlando while you’re there. These boards tend to devolve into “us versus them” discourse instead of valid critiques, and as a result, people go on the defense and hit the repeat button on their script in defense or on the offense for or against their respective “brands.”

        …but, sad to say, the core of those defending the Universal brand are rallied around an absolute truth: they have made much more significant investment in their properties than Disney has over the last 15 years or so, and one can really experience that investment in vastly newer, better more dynamic rides. Right now, today, Universal Orlando offers the better theme park experience. What’s more, they offered the better theme park experience without Potter.

        You should really see it for yourself. You owe it to yourself to see what they’ve put together, because it really is just that impressive. It certainly ranks at the top of the premium theme park heap, perhaps only being edged out by Tokyo’s DisneySea (and it runs laps around DCA 2.0. Seriously.)

        CaptainAction’s “copy and repeat” laundry list of posts aside, Universal Orlando really is worth experiencing. What it lacks in Disney branding and classic “magic,” it more than makes up for in superior attractions and impressive thematic experiences. You should take your fiancee and go.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        …oh, and splurge for the Universal Express option. Outside of the Potter ride (and no doubt, the central Potter 2.0 ride,) it will change your day at that resort.

      • Cory Gross

        Oh yeah, we do have a day at Universal planned, explicitly for Harry Potter and Jurassic Park. We might check out some of the other stuff, but I’m not too overwhelmed with excitement about it. I get that theme park junkies go goo-goo eyes about the ride systems, but let’s say I’m not overly concerned with how great a ride system Transformers has when I ACTIVELY HATE the Michael Bay Transformers movies. I 100% guarantee you I’m not riding Transformers. That’s kind of the Universal paradigm for me… They’re not selling a product that, by in large, I actually want. WDW is. Maybe if Universal built a Monsters land at IOA I would get more into it, but it’s hard to explain why I mostly just don’t care about Universal. As I said, Harry Potter gives us a reason to actually go.

      • CaptainAction

        Cory, we don’t like the Transformer’s films either but the ride is incredible. Not a great idea to not even try a ride because of the movies. The line for the Transformer’s is cool and really builds up the ride well.
        Just one other thought. Are you guys staying on property for a night at Universal?
        It’s going to probably be impossible to experience the Potter lands, train, and attractions in one day, especially if you guys aren’t staying on property. Just the Hogwarts train each direction will probably be impossible to ride in one day much less Gringott’s, Forbidden Journey, all the walk throughs, animatronic window effects, Three Broomsticks, and Leaky Cauldron.
        Just hoping you guys have a great time and since you’ve only experienced Universal Hollywood almost everything here will be new.
        Since you and I have exchanged so many emails I think you would also like the Potter walk through areas like Hogwarts castle, etc. You probably will enjoy Posiedon’s Fury too. It’s a walk through with special effects. Seems like it should be something you may enjoy.
        You might also enjoy Monster Cafe. It’s themed to the original Universal Monsters. Frankenstein lab, Dracula room, Creature room, Mummy room, B attraction sci fi room, etc.
        The Royal Pacific is a retro styled resort themed, to me, like an Indiana Jones timeframe. Has a tropical feel with a large float plane in the lagoon near the boat dock. Often has music throughout the resort with a 1930’s-1940’s era feel.
        It’s also usually the least expensive of the resorts with the express passes included.

      • Cory Gross


        We’re Disney fans and Walt Disney World has our raison d’etre for GOING AT ALL, nestled within four theme parks, two water parks, Downtown Disney, and like, what, 28 resorts? Universal has what looks like two half-day parks. Why WOULD we bother staying at Uni? To enjoy the dazzling outlet malls of International Dr.? To eat at the chain restaurants in CityWalk? The whole concept of staying there doesn’t make sense.

        Hating Bayformers is a perfectly valid reason not to go on a ride featuring Bayformers. I’m not a ride junkie who lives for the next big sitting-in-a-cart-to-watch-a-movie E-ticket. I have to feel some attachment to what I’m experiencing in order for it to mean anything to me. When I say that Tokyo’s 20,000 Leagues and Journey to the Center of the Earth are tied for my favourite rides anywhere in the world, it’s not just because of their technical superiority. I love them because the technology enabled a magnificent visualization of Jules Verne’s work, and I am a huge Verne junkie. I would have been happy if Journey was even just a walkthrough.

        I’m sure that Bayformers: The Movie You Watch While Sitting In A Cart is technically a great ride (even though simulator rides are about the worst, cheapest, most sell-out type of ride experience you could have, so of course Uni is full of them). But, like, I don’t care. I also don’t care about roller coasters painted green, or a movie-in-a-cart ride about Spiderman, or a movie-in-a-cart ride about Despicable Me, or Twister, or Men in Black. Earlier today I was looking at how one might get from Universal to The Titanic Experience, under the assumption that Universal doesn’t really have enough to sustain a full day and I’m way more interested in seeing artifacts from the Titanic than I am in Barney the Dinosaur. However, given your advice that Harry Potter alone might have more than we could do in a day, we’ll have to take a wait-and-see approach to that. I just looked at the average wait times for when we’re going and… wow… if it wasn’t for my fiancee loving Harry Potter, I wouldn’t even be going. NO ride is worth a 120 minute wait, and no store is worth a 45 minute wait (especially if all they sell is $50 wands). *sigh*

        I get that we’re pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum here Cap, and that you just HATE WDW because IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH ANYMORE!!1! I can’t claim to understand why you would love a place up to a certain point and then suddenly turn on it and hate it SO much, but that’s your business. Universal having the “next big thing” is not itself reason for me to go there. You may call me an “enabler,” but it’s not my fault if I WANT to ride things like the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and you don’t. We have very different value systems and different things we want from a theme park.

      • CaptainAction

        Cory, the main reason to stay on property, for one night, is that it would give your new bride a great benefit. Seems she may be more open than you with Universal because of Potter.
        If you stayed on site, one night, you guys could get in the park an hour early on check in morning and hit Hogwarts one direction and perhaps part of one park before the masses pour in. Then you guys could hit the other side on check out morning and ride Hogwarts back to get the return trip.
        I don’t know how you will be able to do much with the crowds the way they are going to be and entering with the non resort staying public on one day.
        Seems like you are setting up the trip for a failure.
        I’ve told you before, and I’ll say it again, I don’t hate Disney. I don’t like the WDW execs of the past 10 years. They are greedy, lazy, and resting on OTHER’S laurels. I think Universal will hand them their butts in the next 5 years. They don’t care about adding attractions but they are into squeezing wallets. They want to fool poor theme park novices into thinking fastpasses for Imagination, Cap EO, Carousel of Progress, Muppet Movie are cool and valuable when nobody needs them.
        The big difference between us is that I’ve been on every attraction Disney has in the USA and France but you haven’t stepped foot into Universal Florida or Islands of Adventure, yet you call them also rans(?).
        I’ve stayed in almost every WDW and every DLand resort hotel and several in DLand Paris while you won’t spend one night at a Universal resort and skip the lines.
        It’s almost like you think you might like something at Universal. That boat ride to the front of the parks might be pretty cool. The early hour both mornings might give you a better visit. Skipping the lines with a room key on check in and check out days would enable you to try each attraction.
        I’ve done everything at all the parks and I can compare them well.
        I think, at the least, Universal is worth giving a chance because they will pass AK, DS, and/or Epcot. If that happens, then something very big is going on in Florida.

      • Cory Gross

        Okay, according to Orlando Informer, we will be going on a “moderate” day (Sept. 3rd), and here are the estimated wait times for attractions we will actually want to see:

        Olivanders: 45 min. (or 60 min. in Diagon Alley)
        Escape from Gringott’s: 120 min.
        Hogwarts Express: 80 min. each way
        Forbidden Journey: 60 min.
        Dragon Challenge: 20 min.
        Flight of the Hippogriff: 25 min.
        Jurassic Park: 40 min.
        Pteranodon Flyers: 45 min.

        That’s about 9 hours. I’m assuming they open about 9am and close at 9pm, give or take an hour. That’s 12 hours. Buy the so-called “universal” express pass and we can knock another hour off of our wait times. I think we’re good.

        Cap, you seem to have this thing where being a Universal fanboy makes you better than other people… More of a highbrow connoisseur or something. We’re “enablers,” we’re not the accomplished theme park warrior you are, and so on. You were a WDW fanboy, and then they stopped being good enough for you and now you hate WDW and you’re a Universal fanboy. Like, what happened, did WDW slap your mother or something? Did they actually DO something to piss you off so much, or do you just have such an insatiable appetite for new thrill rides that you hate them for merely being what you USED to love?

        My point of view is not simply that I have a morally flawed character and am ignorant about theme park rides. Sure, I haven’t been on every theme park ride and stayed at every theme park hotel on the planet because I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. When my fiancee and I talk about going back to France, we’re not talking about staying at Sequoia Lodge… we’re talking about staying at Mont St. Michel. I’m not even TRYING to visit every theme park in existence. That doesn’t mean you’re more qualified than me, just that we have much different things we’re going for when we go to a theme park. You want the next big thing and HATE HATE HATE last year’s big thing. I want a certain type of experience. To me, a ride on the Mark Twain Riverboat with a mint julep in hand is way more meaningful than Bayformers: The Movie You Watch While Sitting In A Cart.

        You said that it’s like I’m worried I might like something at Universal. For the amount of money we’re paying to go, I BETTER like something at Universal. Unlike you, I don’t have this us vs. them, zero-sum game going on between the two. You can like both. And frankly, if it is a competition, Universal loses. It’s an also-ran. You may be weighing it on a scale of how awesome the rides are, but everybody else is weighing it on the scale of “do they have anything I want to do?” IOA is the 10th most-visited theme park. Magic Kingdom is the 1st, by 10 million more visitors. Since you understand that IOA will NEVER be able to compete with MK, you’ve lowered your sights to it maybe outpacing the worst attended WDW parks. Nice lowballing there. Even that 39% growth you salivate over didn’t dent WDW. WDW’s attendance STILL went up by 2%. As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, Harry Potter grew the market, it didn’t compete with WDW.

        Let me tell you why: WDW doesn’t exist in a microcosom of theme parks. It’s not just about the rides. WDW is part of the DISNEY experience. It’s part of a total multigenerational multimedia presence that includes Disney’s films and TV shows and online presence and the warm fuzzy nostalgia that every age demographic feels for them. I don’t understand how people can find meet-and-greets so incomprehensible. OF COURSE kids would want to meet Anna and Elsa: they LOVE that movie! Where you see a lame “kiddie coaster,” I see OMGICANGOTOTHEMINEOFTHESEVENDWARFSBECAUSEILOVESNOWWHITE!!!1! This is the ESSENCE of Disney. It goes all the way back to when Disneyland the park was preceded by Disneyland the TV show, both of which leveraged Disney’s classic films and cartoons while advertaining new ones.

        Universal Orlando will NEVER be real competition with WDW because it simply doesn’t have that. Universal doesn’t really have anything to leverage. Nobody gets excited about the next big Universal movie. There aren’t any groups for “Universal Studios collectors” on FB. I’m not at all shocked that IOA didn’t transform the industry when it opened, because Jurassic Park was pretty much the only thing it had going for it. Hell, I LOVE Rocky and Bullwinkle and *I* couldn’t even figure out why they would bother making a Dudley Do-Right ride. A Seussland? Marvel roller coasters? LOLWUT? If IOA built a Universal Monsters land, I would totally get excited. However, even though they’re the closest thing Universal has to Mickey, Donald and Goofy or Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, Universal as a company doesn’t have the foggiest idea what to do with them. What they DID manage to do with getting the Potter licence was gain something that people ACTUALLY DO care about. They’re not going because Forbidden Journey is the best E-ticket that ever E-ticketed. They’re going because they love Harry Potter. It gives people a reason to go AT ALL. And to its credit, it brought people to Orlando who weren’t making a special trip to WDW anyways.

        People are different from one another, and the things that offend you about WDW might actually be things that other people like.

      • BradyNBradleysMom

        @Cory — For many years I have wondered why Universal has never built a “Transylvania Land” in one of its parks…and theme it with Dracula’s castle and a Transylvanian village themed with attractions using the classic Universal monsters. They could have a Slaughtered Lamb Pub restaurant and all sorts of fun things for a year-round Halloween that would really kick into high gear for October.

        Why they have never done this is just beyond the scope of my imagination. This is the timeless sort of thing that is always fun and Disney can’t ever do anything like this. The Universal monsters could be to Universal what the princesses are to Disney. I think Universal has lost out on a fortune by not doing this.

        They could even have built kind of a parody of Fantasyland with this…have Dracula’s castle and around it a warped village with all the in-jokes and jabs at Disney that Universal loves doing. It would be like a nightmare version of Fantasyland…a shadow kingdom full of villains and monsters that mocks the magic kingdom. That’s totally up Universal’s alley.

        But they have never done it.

      • Cory Gross

        Oh believe me: Universal Studios Monsterland is all in my head already! This is going to sound very weird after everything I’ve been saying, but if I could get any plum job in the entertainment world right now, it would be head of licencing for Universal Studios Monsters. That is because they are wasting an iconic franchise by having absolutely no clue what to do with it. Like I said, Dracula, Frankenstein and the Wolfman are their Mickey, Donald and Goofy or Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, and they are just sitting on it. They are in such a privileged place to have such iconic, instantly recognizable characters, but they do nothing with them. I suspect it’s because their execs are just out of touch and think that these characters are merely old and out of date and think that everybody just wants blood and gore and guts.

        So yeah, there should absolutely be a Transylvania at IOA. There should be a House of Dracula dark ride that throws all the Monsters in and puts Haunted Mansion to shame (the walkthrough at USH is a quaint attempt). There should be a Black Lagoon “Jungle Cruise” style ride where your boat is being lurked by the Creature. If you want a simulator, there is This Island Earth. If they want a King Kong ride, they should talk to Warner Bros. and licence the REAL version, not Peter Jackson’s forgettable nonsense (and Kong isn’t even a Universal movie… it was RKO). Or they have their own giant monsters… Why not Tarantula vs. The Deadly Mantis? Or an Incredible Shrinking Man attraction, or playground? An Abbott and Costello Meet the Monsters stage show? Or a Phantom of the Opera show in a replica of the Paris Opera that involves a crashing chandelier effect? I’m sure if they did a “kiddie coaster” through a forest in when you’re being chased by the Wolfman, our friends would be losing their minds over what great, triumphant masterpieces of theming Universal is creating. Or if we want something more Universal’s speed, they could put in a big ol’ roller coaster, paint it green, call it the “Frankencoaster” and advertise it as being stitched together from parts of the scariest roller coasters from around the world.

        Oh yeah, no, because everyone really needs Bayformers or Popeye, amirite? *slow clap*

      • AaroniusPolonius

        Cory, to be fair, I really didn’t like Potter, either in book or movie form. Having said that, I can totally appreciate and admire what the Universal people have done with the intellectual property. It really is immersive and amazing.

        So, keeping that in mind, Transformers may very well be based on the horrid Bay movies, but I’m certain that the team involved with the creation of the ride worked wonders on the property.

        (To flip this to Disney for example, Cars Land is fantastic, and yet I hate the Cars movies in general. A good ride is not dependent on a good movie.)

        And dude. The Dudley Do-Right Falls are awesomely done, whether you like the property or not.

        If one were to give any real critiques to the Universal theme parks I think, fairly, it would be thus:
        They have a lot of really big, really amazing things to do, but they don’t really have courtyards and peoplemovers and Tom Sawyer’s Islands: time-wasters that add to the layered experience. They really could use more of that, in my humble opinion, because it rounds out the day.

        When Universal goes big, they go really big and detailed, but when they go cheap, man, do they go cheap. One of the world’s best theme park rides (Spider-Man,) is located next to one of the best roller coasters (Hulk,) which is next to a cheapo teacups ride and one of the worst attempts to “theme” a drop tower since Maliboomer in DCA.

        They tend to skew older and exciting demographically, which I’m not sure is really a “downside,” actually, although the current IOA’s PotterLand doesn’t have a whole lot of age-appropriate rides for the under 10 set.

      • AaroniusPolonius

        …oh, and unless you have young children and need easy access to your hotel rooms for naptime, or you’re loaded with cash and want a castle/fireworks view from your balcony up close, it makes little to no financial nor hospitality sense to stay on property at either WDW or UO.

        Seriously. Greater Orlando has some of the best resorts in the world surrounding all these theme parks. For the price of an on-property moderate at either, you can stay in a 4-star deluxe off property. And once you hit the $150 a night price point, you’re pretty much guaranteed a level of quality and service so you’re not playing the “is this the Radisson that smells like poo or the nice one by Celebration” game.

        I’d recommend the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress, and in lieu of shuttle service, use the money you’re saving to get Town Car service. Seriously: the Town Car Plus Grand Cypress or equivalent (like the Omni or the Marriott World Center, for example,) is my only way to visit Orlando.

      • Cory Gross

        We’re already booked into the Port Orleans French Quarter, since we consider staying in WDW to be part of the whole experience. We were considering the Wilderness Lodge, but my fiancee vetoed it on the grounds that it looks just like the actual hotels we stay at in the western National Parks, not to mention the museum we both work at. The advice I’m most heeding comes from FoxxFur at Passport to Dreams, which is that you miss out on most of what WDW is about if you don’t stay on property and take in all the stuff outside of the theme parks: the water parks, minigolf, Downtown Disney, dinner shows, movies under the stars, and stuff like that.

        I’m sure that Spider-Man and Bayformers and Dudley Do-Right are good rides from a technical perspective. But to be draws, they need to have a bigger kick than just being good rides. Like I said, I LOVE Rocky and Bullwinkle, and even I was wondering about the choice of a Dudley Do-Right ride, because that’s not exactly a hugely popular franchise. Nor is it part of an overall marketing strategy (which Disney can leverage). No matter how good a ride is, it’s a very small percentage of people who say to themselves “I better spend $4000 to travel across the continent to ride that one awesome ride!” One thing I think we all run the risk of forgetting is perspective: these are rides.

        Universal’s 39% growth came from Harry Potter giving people a reason to go at all. For some reason, Popeye and Barney weren’t quite cutting it. And no, I don’t think they’re going expressly because Forbidden Journey is a great E-ticket. They’re not E-ticket fans… They’re Harry Potter fans. That’s true of my fiancee and I, and neither one of us have qualms about missing rides that we don’t care about.

  • Quentin

    It does look really slow. However the back is definitely going to be the place to be on this ride.

  • tcsnwhite

    Looks great!!!
    Exactly what I expected. And a perfect fit for MK’s needs.
    A good, solid, quality “D-ticket” family attraction for New Fantasyland.

    ps. The animatronics are incredible. If this is what we have to look forward to for the updates to the older Fantasyland darkrides (part. her at DLR)…I’m very excited.

  • Disneykin Kid

    My question would be – Is it an E ticket or a D ticket? It seems like it might fall just short of an E ticket, like the Little Mermaid ride. Disney said it tells the story from the Dwarf’s point of view, well actually it doesn’t, there’s hardly any story at all. I think if it had two more indoor scenes – one in the dark scary woods with the witch offering the apple, and an uphill scene with the dwarfs cornering the witch, (both like the dark ride) then end with the cottage scene without the witch – then it would have qualified as an E ticket.

    • Cory Gross

      Having a scary forest part would have been a good idea! Oh well, it still looks great for what it is.

  • AaroniusPolonius

    I think the ride looks good and the whole New Fantasyland expansion represents a return to form for Walt Disney World. Which is to say that if all future expansions are this thematic, complex and complete, I’m all for it.

    I think the last show scene should be expanded and enclosed.

    Disney spent WAAAAAAY too much time building this. There’s no way this should have taken this long. They should have just opened this entire land all at once or at least, all around the same time. Disney built up a LOT of anticipation for this ride via the massive timeline here, the thesis being that if it’s taking this long, it must be good and worth it. And it certainly IS good and IS worth it, as I’m not going to kick the mouse for actually delivering theme and quality…

    …but, c’mon. They build cruise ships in less time. We’re nearly at an election cycle here. Sarah Michelle Gellar has starred in two different shows on two different networks in LESS time than it took to build this.

    Had this opened a year ago with the Princess Hug Zone, or more ideally, all at once with the rest of New Fantasyland (where one could really feel the impact of “the largest expansion in Magic Kingdom history” from Day One,) this coaster would be touted and celebrated. BECAUSE of the time delay, and BECAUSE one suspects that the time delay is for PR and marketing purposes in relation to Universal’s Potter opening up the street, the coaster falls into the “not enough” category.

    While the coaster may well just be “something nice added to the Magic Kingdom,” Disney set up this comparison themselves by spending way too much time building it and opening it mere weeks before Potter 2.0 does. It may very well be apples to oranges in product, but Disney itself is inviting this comparison by promoting it like it’s an orange. Whatever benefit they get from that should be paired with whatever deficit they receive from that.

    • LoveStallion

      Wonderfully stated and amusing.

    • Kevbot217

      It took 2.25 years to build. In comparison, the Disney Dream took about 3.5 years to build. 2.25 years to take the time and get it right, as well as making the centerpiece for a new land, full of AAs, and utilizing a first-of-its-kind roller coaster tech.

  • LoveStallion

    It’s a gorgeous ride. I love the rockwork. Being from SoCal, I often forget that Florida’s Fantasyland is bereft of wonderful structures and theming in favor of tents. Zing! Point: Disneyland.

    But seriously, I love all of the beauty of New Fantasyland, and the Dwarfs coaster fits in nicely with the area.

    No point beating a dead horse – yep. Took way too long to build this thing and Disney invited comparisons by dragging it out.

    My only real critique of the ride is that the dark ride portion is short and relatively pointless. Other than the great dwarf animatronics, it feels cheap. It looks like I’m passing through a Lite-Brite. And the Dwarfs are just sort of grumbling guttural nonsense until Doc busts out his “Heigh-ho!” I’m not complaining as much about a lack of story. It’s just super underwhelming for a dark ride segment. Nothing happens. Nothing is gained (other than the dwarfs decide it’s time to close up shop and head home).

    If you want to critique the “story,” I don’t mind that the hag is the last thing seen. It’s more ominous and lets us call to mind all that will happen next, rather than Disney finishing the tale. This is the Dwarfs’ coaster, after all, not Snow White’s Scary Adventure.

    But it would have been sweet to have some hologram apples put in somewhere.

  • Silverglove

    I think we can agree that there is simply no comparison to the two “attractions”. Simply not fair and like has been said apples and oranges. But I think we can also agree that one creates the opportunity for Destination Vacation while the other is simply Added Value.

  • MainSt1993

    The animation of the characters’ faces is truly amazing, but I wouldn’t go on this unless it were a walk on. WDW hasn’t given me a reason to want to return in quite a few years. Zzzz…

  • Conconhead

    Amazing Animatronics! Although the projection faces do seem a bit weird to me, they are far superior to the static mannequins we’ve had in the dark rides. I wish Disneyland had room for such a treat, although I still love Scary Adventures for what it is.

  • BuckyRister

    It’s not a Potter Swatter or Potter Killer and was never intended to be. It’s like complaining the Rapunzel bathrooms weren’t an answer to Hogwarts. For that, Disney will rely on Avatar Land in Animal Kingdom and Star Wars and Marvel attractions. I think you good folk are fretting about Potter a whole lot more than Disney is. They got it covered.

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  • M69

    I LOVE how many people have posted comments!! 3+ pages already!

    It is a kid coaster, for sure, but really (REALLY) well done, in my opinion. The WDW Magic video (via DisneyandMore) is much more crisp but thankfully the first TPR version shown here allows us to experience the cottage portion and return ‘safe and sound’. (Thanks, TPR! And glad to hear Robb indicate the swinging is more felt than seen.)

    Comparing to Uni: TRUE: Same Year Open = comparisons. But I do not consider the demographics to be the same. SDMT is skewed much younger, in my opinion, as this is New Fantasyland. Kids Kids Kids to Tween at best. Males: yes – which is smart in a park with so many princesses. Short ride? Yes and no. Four years? Lots of anticipation.

    … I could go on and on. But does this excite me to return to Orlando? Yes = MK, IOA, USO.

    • CaptainAction

      This is pretty incredible that we are even talking about this but you just posted what I’ve been saying is possible. The parks guests will want to see in the near present and near future are IOA, Universal Studios, and MK.
      It would have been impossible to even talk about Universal beating AK, Epcot, and/or DS just 7-10 years ago, but now we all know it is in the realm of possibility.
      There just aren’t great reasons for a family to spend $500/day to ride the EXACTsame rides they rode 4, 5,6,7, even 14 years ago at AK, Epcot, and DS.
      Not when Universal has so many new things the family have never experienced. Now the genious of creating a reason for a “must have a park hopper pass” with the Hogwarts Train.
      Pretty amazing.

  • Chris101

    That was it? I was expecting more in the actual mines as a ride… please tell me it was edited. A+ for looks, but C+ for actual content. Such cool animatronics if only there was more of it. “It will be like Pirates of the Carribean! But only for 30 seconds and then you’re outside on a kiddie coaster.” Come no, you cheap… I hate the way the daylight pours into the first mine seen as you enter too.

    Ever been to DCA and been on Little Mermaid? The one they have to redo after just opening because it was so underwhelming. I’m not saying this is at that level, but if you’re going to do something, don’t half ass it, do it all the way great. So yes, maybe worth taking your little kids on, but not fun for all ages, go out of your way, because you have to ride it because it’s so wonderful…

    Disney is doing pretty good with filmmaking, if only they could match it with new quality attractions at their parks… (well Cars Land is awesome, that should be their template for all their new stuff).

  • ChrisNJ

    What’s the story of the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train? To me it looks like a well-done kid coaster with some excellent dark-ride animatronic song sequence. And the end animatronics do not appear to match the detail of the mine characters. Love the look but looks aren’t everything.

  • kindagoofy

    Thanks for posting the video. I was really excited to see it’s over 5 minutes long. But wait, it’s actually two ride-throughs. That’s just a tad over 2 1/2 minute ride? Looks lovely, but it’s so short!

    • Cory Gross

      Its the same length as Space Mountain, a minute longer than Rock N Roller Coaster, 30 seconds shorter than Expedition Everest, and a minute shorter than Big Thunder Mnt. Looks like it’s right about average for a ride of its type.

      • CaptainAction

        Yes, it’s 2 minutes because it makes stops and slows to a crawl. That’s fine but I think the imagineers copied The Mummy at Universal to make the track last longer.
        That’s fine. It works. The first ride I’ve ever seen do this though was Universal Orlando’s Mummy ride.

    • 9oldmen

      CaptainAction, there are three Disney “thrill” type rides that I can name that have fast and slow segments, which pre-date Universal’s “Mummy” by years, Those being “Indiana Jones”, “CTX/Dinosaur” and “Test Track”. The slow sections are there when you pass some “show” element that needs a little more time to take in, like that hissing snake in “Indy”. The end result is a longer ride than you would get if you were to speed through the whole thing, but if they just slowed down sections of the “Dwarf” coaster “to make the track last longer” then why didn’t they just slow down the whole thing and not even make it a thrill ride, and make it REALLY last longer? Heck, they could have really taken the easy route and made it another simulator. Look at “Star Tours”. A 4 plus minute ride with no track at all. I don’t know, it just seems like you’re implying that the Imagineers designed a coaster with slow sections to “pad” the ride, and then decided to add the show scenes as an afterthought to justify the slow sections. There are a lot of rides in the parks where you move slowly through the whole thing. You may get a longer ride than you would on a fast ride, but to say that they purposely made it slow to “make the track last longer” just seems kind of, I don’t know, “backwards”.