Disneyland Resort Update – Sink Or Swim For The Subs

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Published on June 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm with 57 Comments

The Disneyland Resort is settling in to a new level of crowds brought by the many new attractions and shows at Disney California Adventure. A surprising attendance trend continues this week as the little park that could, across the way, closely matches Disneyland’s daily attendance. This bodes well for Disney’s massive investment in DCA and their willingness to spend another bundle to finish off the job the started with Cars Land and Buena Vista Street. While we aren’t expecting any major news from Disney in the short term, there are lots of minor projects going on for us to show you as well as some VERY interesting news and rumors from Al Lutz.

Disneyland has been busy, but not crazy busy

MATTERHORN:
The Matterhorn is still seeing a far longer line than it did before the refurb. Is it still too soon to tell whether or not the new bobsled configuration is speeding things up?


AUTOPIA
If you have not heard, the Chevron sponsorship of Autopia has officially ended.  But instead of renewing, Disney let the agreement go.  Why?  We will get to that in a minute.  But here are shots from the ride, Chevron-less.

The checkered flags cover the Chevron logos

Chevron has been removed from the video screen

So, will the removal of a fuel provider mean that electric Autopia vehicles are on the way? Could an Autopia like attraction be on the way to Cars Land? Plenty to scratch our heads about. But Al Lutz fills us in on a bit of the master plan for Disneyland’s Tomorrowland.

SUBMARINE VOYAGE RUMOR
In a recent update by Al Lutz he explained that Autopia is ripe for a redo along with the redevelopment of the space occupied by Innoventions.  But this, in turn raises the problem of the subs which are housed directly user Autopia.  It seems that the Submarine voyage is the single most expensive attraction to operate in Disneyland and that iconic attraction could be redeveloped as well.  There was a time when Disneyland was proud of its fleet of submarines. But it seems that they may soon make a final dive. What do you think? Do you want the Subs and Autopia to stay, or do you want that huge space redeveloped for a major Tomorrowland expansion? As for Innoventions, we are going to assume that there’s universal agreement that the big rotating advertisement for Microsoft has long outlived its welcome.

EXTRA SEATING IN ALADDIN’S OASIS
With the increased crowds, construction around the family bathrooms in the former Carnation Gardens stage area, the unused seating and restrooms at Aladdin’s Oasis have been reopened for the time being.   This is a nice quite spot to get out of the hustle and bustle of a busy park and dream about the days gone by of the Tahitian Terrace (even if it does all look like Agrabah).

FANTASY FAIRE VILLAGE
Here we have the latest progress at the Fantasy Faire Village project.

BUENA VISTA STREET
Over in DCA, Buena Vista Street has seen its first Holiday overlay with patriotic 4th of July bunting and flags.  While it’s hit and miss in execution, it bodes well to see them putting effort into the holidays already.

DETAILS
Over the coming week, we should see the last of the details being added to the already beautiful Buena Vista Street Stores.

Popcorn lighting in Big Top Toys

Set dressing is added daily

DANCIN’ WITH DISNEY:
Think of it as Mad T Party for the toddler set. The old Millionaire building has once again been repurposed as a new entertainment offering called Dancin’ With Disney.  Too cool for the final “g” in Dancing (never a good sign), this indoor dance fest allows young and old alike to cavort and bounce around to dance music with a handful of Disney Characters.

“I don’t like dancing”

“I’ll huff and I’ll Puff and I’ll bust a move on the dance floor”

They have taken the old Disney Channel Rocks set and reused it within the soundstage as the DJ stand and focal point for the party.


Guests either aren’t interested or haven’t found this attraction

The old Electronica plastic furniture has been put into use as a “Parents Chill Zone.” Who comes up with these too-hip-for-Disney names?

It’s not the reuse of old props or set pieces that bothers us.  Everyone does that. It’s the fact that they seemed to have thought that a half baked idea with poor execution could be combined with classic characters and techno music and it would be a success. Does that remind anyone of another failed project of 10 years ago? DCA perhaps? The same mistakes that they spent over a billion dollars to fix are embodied perfectly by this Dance party for kids. Thankfully this is just a thing for the Summer…  Right?

If they really want to do something with the characters, we would LOVE to see them put the classic Disney characters on Buena Vista Street. That would be the perfect place for Clarabelle Cow, Clara Cluck, Horace Horsecollar and Oswald to reside. And a great excuse for Disney to release a whole bunch of what would surely be very popular merchandise. The upshot of all this is that Disney is nearly always at its worst when trying to be hip and nearly always at their best when they are square. Can we hear an amen?

And that is the news from the Disneyland Resort for today, but that’s not all, not by a long shot. Today and tomorrow we have news from Six Flags, Universal Studios and we offer you an opportunity to win FREE tickets to Knott’s Soak City as well. So, please be sure to click the links and check back to the site all weekend for lots of great new articles.

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  • Jeffrey Clinard

    I would like to see a major refurb of Tomorrowland. End Innoventions, Autopia, Submarines, and Captain EO.

    Replace Captain EO with a new Circle-Vision. 3D is everywhere now. Circle-Vision isn’t.
    Restore Innoventions to a revolving theater. Turn the theater into a history of Disneyland, or maybe a tour of the other theme parks around the world (opening / Disneyland, Magic Kingdom, Disney Toyko, Euro-Disney, Hong Kong Disney, and Preview of Shanghai Disney / Exit).
    Do something amazing with the space the Autopia and Submarine Voyage take up. Something with huge throughput, maybe using an Omnimover / Atommobile arrangement.
    Restore the People Mover.
    That is four old attractions out, four new ones in. Keeps with the arrangement..

  • Orange Co Native

    1. Disney is not going to replace the submarines anytime soon. They only just opened the Nemo ride in 2007 and spent $$$$ fixing up the lagoon and the show building.
    2. Autopia. A possibility. It is a popular ride however to replace it with something else.
    3. Innovations. Definitely a redo.
    4. Captain EO. Definitely a redo.

    Instead of just using the Innovations rotating building for another ride, I can see them just bulldozing the building. It has been around since 1967 when it use to house the C of Progress and then America Sings in the mid 1970’s. Something completely different.

    Captain EO and Honey I Shrunk The Audience movie theater could be gutted and made into another attraction all together that isn’t even a theater.

  • Worshipeternal

    “The upshot of all this is that Disney is nearly always at its worst when trying to be hip and nearly always at their best when they are square.”

    Bingo.

    You just summed up everything wrong with Disney in one sentence– from the Disney Channel to DCA. I really hope their suits are reading these updates.

  • mratigan

    I was the very first person in for dancin with Disney on the 15th

  • Bork

    We saw CMs on Hollywood Blvd last week handing out flyers and pleading with people to check out Dancin with Disney. Not many people were showing any interesting. We walked in, took one look and walked right out. Our 7 year old wasn’t even interested.

  • WheresMickey

    Nice update!

  • RDdB

    While I wouldn’t mind so much if the Submarine Voyage was replaced, it would be a shame aesthetically to lose them and their picturesque lagoon! Autopia should at least be updated to have electric cars (though flying cars would be better). Or perhaps re-theme them and move them to Cars Land? I look forward to a new E-ticket instead of Innoventions, given that it is NOT Stark Innovations / Iron man!

    Great update as always! :-]

    • Tiny Mermaid

      I agree that the subs aren’t a super-amazing attraction anymore, but that lagoon is worth keeping. It may suck up valuable real estate, but I just can’t imagine Tomorrowland without that beautiful lagoon.

  • SpcMtn77

    “Do you want the Subs and Autopia to stay, or do you want that huge space redeveloped for a major Tomorrowland expansion?”

    I guess it depends on what replaces them. These were great classic attractions that the whole family could enjoy together, but I say “were” because they just don’t cut it any longer. I don’t know of anyone who’s had interest in these rides for quite some time time now, and I don’t think there is much repeatability in either one. Combine that with the low capacity, long lines, expensive upkeep, and large amount of real estate they use, it makes sense to get rid of them. I think nostalgia is the only true reason anyone is objecting. They will always be better in our memories than they were in reality.

    “As for Innoventions, we are going to assume that there’s universal agreement that the big rotating advertisement for Microsoft has long outlived its welcome.”

    I think this is an accurate assumption 🙂

  • Algernon

    Great article! They should bring back the old Submarine Voyage. Nothing was better than descenting that circular stairway as you board, the bubbling water and the lights glistening off the lagoon surface coming to eye level as you enter the sub. You used to feel like you were actually going on a voyage. Now you go underwater to watch a bad cartoon.

    Bring back the Carousel of Progress. People need to feel there could still be a “Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow.” For the future part? Solar paint on houses and roads that generates free electricity; tiny nano-subs that live in our blood, zapping diseases, making repairs; Grandpa, who was 85 in the last scene, now looks 25–he just flew in from Japan–it took him 45 minutes. Aunt Gladys is vacationing on the moon. When junior jumps off the diving board of the glass-domed pool, he sails twenty feet into the air.
    Bring back the peoplemover. Nothing was better when you were hot and tired than getting on the Peoplemover, sitting back and resting, while having a grand circle tour.

    and make Tomowrroland a true land of the future–not Pixar Cartoon Land.

    There is so much they could do. Of course, they will proably settle for Tarzan’s house of the future and the John carter space camp…

    • Chaz

      I love all your ideas! You should be an Imagineer. I miss the Carousel of Progress and even the 360 theater, but most of all nothing brings a futuristic throb to my heart than the House of the Future. Even with its black and white poster on the wall posing as a flat screen tv and the not-yet-available-to-the-masses electric box that zaps food to cook in seconds.

  • RebelMouse

    They have to keep the submarines! I can’t imagine that area without the lagoon. The Nemo part of it works very nicely. The line is ridiculous during the day, but I recommend hitting that ride at about 11:55PM if you can swing it. My girl and I had a sub and the driver all to ourselves once. Will never forget that ride. Bringing back the mermaids wouldn’t be a bad idea for some new interest.

    Innovations has to go. That is a huge waste of space. An electric autopia is a great idea, but the ride does bore me. It needs something. Of course the people mover needs to be re-imagined. Captain Eo was a nice blast from the past but it’s time for something new there as well. I have also thought that some kind of laser show at night would be a nice fit for a new Tomorrowland. They could set up the lasers on space mountain and bounce them around the land set to music. I’m sure Disney could do something spectacular. Would love to see Wall E represented there somewhere also.

    • Chaz

      Those radar dishes in Tomorrowland were supposed to throw laser beams but was prohibited for the safety of aircraft. Tomorrowland is so yesterday; it used to be really futuristic back in the 50s and 60s.

    • dufuss983

      i would LOVE to see a Wall-E attraction driven somewhere in there…..i’m at this moment trying to think of some ideas of what could happen and what they could do but find nothing overly big or amazing that i think would fit tomorrowland…in my opinion they have alot of really good stuff….although it isn’t sticking to the future and more into the area of pixar and characters…..i kinda like it…..i do wholly agree tho that they need to put some sort of futuristic something or other in there…the area where autopia is is HUGE and i mean HUGE…they can definitely put something in there….maybe a new roller coaster?

  • TheHopper

    I went last night and rode Autopia because of rumors that it could be the next expansion area…and my thoughts…it can’t come fast enough. Autopia for nostalgia is over-played…it has changed a lot since my childhood anyway, my kids love Autopia when it bounces around but my kids love every ride and their favorite rides are the new one’s…so whatever they put in there will be far more amazing!

    With Nemo, I know it is hard to imagine a change with how much they spent…but they just spent 1 billion dollars fixing their last mistake. We have ridden Nemo one time and have never wanted to go back. I can’t believe the line is long because it’s claustrophobic and boring and there isn’t even a nostalgic reason to ride it. Expense, slow ride time, lots of space, I hope this area goes under the knife soon!

    Innoventions – we all agree

    Captain EO – we all agree

    As for what should go in…there are 2 things that I think for sure need to go in this area…one is some kind of connection ride with DCA. There needs to be a fast way to get from Tommorowland to Carsland or Paradise pier. That would tie in the two parks so much…take out innoventions or make some kind of loading ride that sends you on a cool new ride that ends in paradise pier…make it like a space portal that pretends to beam you there, or a rocket ride…I don’t know but that would be the coolest option ever. The 2nd thing that fits perfectly in Tommorowland would be Wall-E. I know people hate putting characters with every ride but kids absolutely adore that…my kids would run to a Wall-E themed ride. Even if it was an Ariel type dark ride, kids would love riding that over and over…but it would be fun if you could do some kind of interactive toy story type ride where you fight bad robots or something.

    The only other thing that Tommorland needs to figure out is what to do with People Mover. It is so annoying every time I’m in that park to see all the track just sitting up there with nothing on it. I think it should be remove if it isn’t going to be used.

    • LoveStallion

      Or just build a Monorail station somewhere in DCA. I’ve always thought it was weird that it didn’t stop in the Grand Californian.

  • storyteller

    Tron and Aquatopia would be perfect. They should build up the area as a futuristic city, have the aquatopia going on the lagoon and through buildings. The other part should be a Tron-based ride where people enter Flynn’s arcade and then via and elevator effect are let out into the Grid, and within the Grid your in a vehicle trying to escape back to the human world pursued by CLU and light cycles.

    The queue would be amazing on that ride, it should look like the Grid in Tron: Legacy and have the music playing as well as cast members dressed in the uniforms.

  • WorldFair

    Having been an Autopia cast member, I would not be sad to see it go. A ride that is controlled by guests with no E-Stop and no station gates to separate kids from the ride path is an incident that I’m surprised hasn’t happened yet. While the Submarines look cool in the lagoon, the ride underwater is somewhat underwhelming. But, putting any E-Ticket attraction would have trouble working around the Monorail and People Mover tracks that also wind around there…unless you alter and/or remove these tracks.

    • LoveStallion

      Answer me this: Is the submarine even in water while it’s inside the show building?

      • WorldFair

        If you look up while inside the show building, you can clearly see that the submarine is still in water. Most of the show scenes are not in water. Lighting and projection effects similar to Epcot’s Nemo and Friends create the illusion that these scenes are underwater. You are viewing these scenes through windows like fish (inside submarines) looking out of a fish tank.

  • GPC1226

    I would like to see Innovations turned into a Stark Expo and make it a Marvel themed attraction. Fill it with activities, costumes and information on whatever characters Disney/Marvel may own.

  • sjdimon

    How can the Disneyland Resort be so concerned about MONEY! They are PACKED even on Tuesdays in October, so I don’t really see what the problem is in keeping the SUBMARINE Ride Operating.

    Perhaps in 10 to 15 years when it is no longer popular, then I can see it. But it is FAR TOO NEW of an attraction that is still drawing crowds – so I vote to KEEP THE SUBS (for now at least).

    Now – Innoventions? Captain EO? Autopia? Those can all go as far as I am concerned. Probably the only one of those that still draws any real numbers on a daily basis is the Autopia (which is kind of sad as most theme parks have some sort of driving ride – so it’s hardly unique to Disneyland). If you include the old “MOTORBOAT” Attraction space, then this is quite a large piece of Real Estate.

    Bottom line though – do NOT CLOSE ANYTHING unless there is a PLAN to replace things IMMEDIATELY (I really hate seeing those “We are closed to reimagineer ….” signs hanging on a building for 10 years (like we saw with the Carousel Building after “America Sings” Closed.

    Make sure that at least ONE of the attractions can be enjoyed by the entire family, Not everything needs to be the latest/greatest thrill ride out there (so please, NO MISSION SPACE 2).

  • Algernon

    I agree. Walt Disney’s vision was a park for all ages–where everybody from Grandma to the baby could go on the same ride (can anybody say “Jungle Cruise, Peter Pan, Monorail–the long gone Adventure Through Inner Space?). But the family-friendly Mine Trains gave way to Big Thunder. The Subs are now for toddlers; Star Tours for teenagers. Roger Rabbit and Buzz Lightyear are only of interest to kids–the entire Toon Town for small children.

    • mondo

      my brothers and I enjoy Roger Rabbit and Buzz Lightyear and all three of us are over 20. I have seen adults and younger kids on ST

  • ayalexander

    I think it would be cool to somehow transform the Innoventions building into a two storey Mission Space attraction where the queue is based on the rotating part of the building and you can choose from easy ride or hard ride, and for easy, the attraction would be on the bottom floor, and hard would be on the top floor. They could even use the old Rocket Rods maintenance building behind the Innoventions building as the indoor queue somehow.
    I have to say I am a BIG nastalgic fan of the subs and autopia however I have to admit with low rider capacity and expensive upkeep, they should probably go. -and I would like to see some sort of Wall-E dark ride or 3D movie to replace Captain EO, even tho Disney annouced they “We don’t do 3D anymore”. It would still be nice and would keep the magic eye theater for all to see. -and… I don’t mind the idea of autopia moving to carsland… actually… it kinda fits because autopia is no longer “futuristic”.

    • LoveStallion

      Great idea on bringing Mission: Space to Anaheim.

      I would love to see a Wall-E ride or film. I’m not sure what sort of adventures could be build around Wall-E, other than forcing all of us to watch Hello, Dolly! until we hurl.

      What I would love to see somewhere – not necessarily Tomorrowland, but I can’t think of where else it’d work – would be an Incredibles attraction that uses the same technology seen in Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey.

  • DisWedWay

    It’s about time to bring the Carousel of Progress back to Disneyland in an updated version and make use of it’s original revolving building. It will be better maintained than it has been at WDW, and a lot of fans new and old would appreciate it, especially on hot crowded days. Can anything be done with the Rocket Rods? like a ground level track that they can really run on where the Autopia is?. Would love to see the WedWay People Movers updated and return to Tomorrowland on the elevated track. Would be great if the money was allowed to reinforce the foundation structure to allow the heavier Orbitron to be placed back in it’s original Star Jets position and out of the hub. I too would hate to loose the lagoon and Sub ride. I always liked the WDI Jules Verne concept they had planned just before Nemo swam in. Love it in Tokyo Disney Seas. DCA has plenty of Pixar dust now, so maybe a newer Verne show could take it’s place in the lagoon.

    • Chaz

      All of your suggestions are exactly how I feel, especially CofP. But I gotta add that the House of the Future with all its decor and appliances so futuristic that they didn’t even work (but they all came to life years later–picture phones, flat tv, microwaves) seemed far more enticing than the junk in the current House of the Future. Barfarola! It’s not even a modern architectural design like the old 60s model. And let’s do something exciting with all those radar dishes in Tomorrowland–even though a laser show into the sky is prohibited by the air traffic people.

  • LoveStallion

    I don’t have a lot of love for the Nemo reenvisioning of the Submarines, but kids love it (which gets them away from stuff I want to go on), and Tomorrowland without the lagoon would be awful.

    Disney’s plight is pretty obvious, though. There is a ton of unused space out there, especially with the long-defunct Motorboat Cruise area just sitting there as a pigeon trap. I wouldn’t mind reimagining the Autopia, but I would say it should go electric and trackless, like it was when Disneyland opened. I know that the “Tomorrow” novelty of driving a ruddy car isn’t exactly a innovative, but shy of building a legitimate bada** roller coaster, I can’t see what else to do with the space. They could redo the Autopia and overlay other areas within its space, though; sort of a Western River Expedition for Tomorrowland.

    Kill the entire building for Innoventions. I wish they would bring back Alien Encounter, but I know that won’t be happening. Just please, for the love of humanity, no Monsters Inc., joke factory thing.

    Nix the Captain EO theater. Heck, nix most everything immediately abutting Space Mountain. Do we realize how much wasted space there is all around that thing?

    In a perfect world, I would move the rockets back to their old location. They are currently not much better than Dumbo. When I was a kid, the fun was being up that high. It would also improve crowd flow into Tomorrowland, which is one of the rougher areas for crowd movement in the park.

    And please, PLEASE, just bring back the Peoplemover. It adds such flow and life to all of Tomorrowland.

    • mondo

      I agree with most

  • LoveStallion

    I also wouldn’t be opposed to redoing all of Tomorrowland in the same Jules Verne-inspired theming that is found in Paris. It looks great and keeps Tomorrowland from ever actually being outdated.

    • mondo

      Do you remember TL’98? I don’t think this style work as being futurist. I think people view Sci-Fi style as the future something completly different.. Most of TL’98 color scheme got painted over because it did not work. Maybe Discoverybay, not for TL

      • LoveStallion

        TL ’98 was certainly awful, because it was a half-a** touch up and not much of a redo, save the Rocket Rods. Paris’ style works because of the architecture, paint, and attention to detail. When I say Tomorrowland in Anaheim should do this, I mean the real deal, not just another fresh coat of paint. Raze and rebuild.

  • Susan Hughes

    Finding Nemo Submarines won’t go away. It’s only five years old and still wildly popular. It’s also unique to Disneyland and isn’t found at any other Disney Park.
    Autopias is also very popular. But some re-tooling wouldn’t hurt. But I think it should just stay the way it is. I totally blows Tomorrowland Speedway out of the water.
    Innoventions needs to be replaced, that’s for sure. And Captain EO is not only outdated, but lame. Michael Jackson and the 80’s was three decades ago. Can that one too.

  • shawnman

    DisWedWay
    rocket rods on the ground where autopia is? if autopia closes i think this is the best idea i have heard to replace them. maybe they can make them so that kids / riders can still “drive” them. just an update to what a “car” might be in the future?! i like this idea! easy fix i think and still the same ride that i and my family enjoy, just a huge futuristic update.

    • kayoss

      They did that already. It’s called Radiator Springs Racers 😛

  • wonderpeep

    I LOVE the subs… It is a really wonderful emersive ride. I am 6’3, but do not mind being a little squishy for such a great ride. I not only love the ride, but the gorgeous ambiance the lagoon provides to the whole area. One of my favorite spots in the park is on the Monorail ramp going to the loading station… standing by the Nemo waterfalls and looking at the Matterhorn with the lagoon beneath it. Gorgeous.

  • Trident

    I am confused about something.

    In the Buena Vista Street Details segment, you mention “… we should see the last of the details being added to the already beautiful Buena Vista Street Stores”, followed by some pictures of popcorn lights in Big Top Toys, musical instruments and telephones from Los Feliz Five and Dime. Are you saying those are recent additions? Or just pointing them out? Cause those set pieces have been there since June 15.

  • Timekeeper

    Ugggh, I would not so veto the Nemo Subs just yet, granted, it’s the original movie in 15 minutes, but the presentation is something not found in the other magic kingdom style parks, plus it looks pretty at night in the lagoon.

    The Autopia definitely needs to go electric; but before anything new can go in the Motor Boat Cruise area, the Monorail needs to be rerouted one way, so that the monorail, autopia and peoplemover tracks could be shorten, with the subs and autopia being refurbished at the same time, maybe even consolidating a new, safer peoplemover, announced at a company meeting.

    Innoventions does need to go and I would rather see it being used as a carousel theater, (with either a return to CoP or a new show) on the first floor and a restaurant on the second floor, with views of the fireworks and access to the restrooms via a glass tube elevator; or demolished to become a new attraction (either idea would be a financial nightmare.) As for EO, I think their might be enough room to house a CircleVision theater, with the moving seating taken out and the side entrance doors filled in, and the show should either be “From Time to Time” or “America the Beautiful.”

    _____________________________________________________________________________

    But I would wait and see if any of these rumors come to pass.

    Timekeeper

  • DisneyDrums

    Look, if they get rid of Nemo & Autopia, we’ve got a major problem. If I was in charge of the parks, there would be no possible way I’d EVER let those two go.

    • Chaz

      Kinda like that big hole in the sky where the Skyway used to be, right?

  • Internitty

    It amuses me people saying get rid of Captain Eo, how many of those people are the same ones that lined up half the night to get in to see it, who wrote ecstatically about its return and now want it gone and right before the MJ exploitation machine releases the 25th anniversary version of BAD. Maybe Captain Eo should be put out to pasture it’s not for me to decide, although personally I really like it, at least release it on 3D Blu ray as a park only purchase for those of us who actually like it and do see it everytime we visit Disneyland.

    As for the submarines, Walt Disney was very proud of his submarine fleet, he spoke of the often in interviews and even wanted to show them off the visiting Russian leader of the day so draining the lagoon is not an option, the massive crowds for the ride should be a dead give away to that, if they were to go then on the same day I say retire Mickey and Donald because it tantamount to the same thing. Long may the fleet survive.

    Autopia would be so cool with electric cars, of course recharging them would present problems but it would hold true to the idea of Tomorrowland, the recharge problem would give the Imagineers something to really work on, I personally like the idea of an alternator that recharges the battery while the car is in motion, instead of just redressing old rides and calling them Radiator Springs Racers, don’t get me wrong I love RSR but I love Test Track too.

    The rotating building needs to go and something useful take its place, totally agree with everyone on that. Perhaps put in Trip to Mars but call it Stitch World or Trip to Coruscant.

    I know it’s a different area of the park but after the Princess Faire is finished, Aladdin’s Oasis needs to be demolished and the space used for something useful like the return of the Tahitian Terrace (as suggested by Andy Castro) and since the princesses are getting their own land virtually why not get rid of the theatre they occupy now and use that area for some cool new attraction instead of the current plan to refurb it and stick more princesses in it.

  • Jaybaby158

    i like the subs
    they definitely need to demolish Captain EO, Innovations, Autopia, and the Rocket Rod track.
    i would love to see:

    a TRON or Wall-E e-ticket attraction!!!!
    who AGREES???!

  • Snakeyes

    I have a feeling that the Imagineers have been wanting to use the area between autopia and
    its a small world for a long time.
    What ever happens is going to be crazy. Think about what is right over that area, the monorail and the people mover tracks.
    People may not know but there is a lot of underground facilities by inoventions. If all of this area is remade it is going to be deep in the ground and the pocket.

    When they were working on the revamp of the subs Tony Baxter said he always thought
    the original was stale because you just watched an adventure and the new one you experienced it. Thats funny because I know its now the reverse. When I ride the nemo
    version I feel like I am watching a summary of a movie. Tony said what he did because he was a ride operator who rode it thousands of times.

    What they need is rides that are not movie driven. Like adventure thru inner space, The old
    Pirates, Jungle cruise, The Matterhorn, Mine train.

    What is going to happen however…..The home of the future!! right were the old motor boat
    cruise was and only Disney Executives will be able to stay in it over night just like the dream
    suite!!!

    • LoveStallion

      Wait a second, you want Disney to just build a wholly original attraction not based on any current film franchise? As if it is still the late 70s? Dude, I wish, but it’s never going to happen. The company is all about synergy (I hate that word) across its many companies – parks, films, television, consumer products.

      The princess areas are annoying, but they sell more products that way. Anything related to Cars is annoying, but it’s a cash cow in terms of merchandise. I would love to see a totally original attraction, but I’m afraid those days are probably behind us, and we can pretty much count on most – if not all – new attractions being based on film and television franchises. Welcome to Disney’s Pixar Adventure.

  • Disneylandfan85

    [QUOTE]If they really want to do something with the characters, we would LOVE to see them put the classic Disney characters on Buena Vista Street. That would be the perfect place for Clarabelle Cow, Clara Cluck, Horace Horsecollar and Oswald to reside. And a great excuse for Disney to release a whole bunch of what would surely be very popular merchandise.[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, Buena Vista Street is meant to represent L.A. or someplace in the 1920s, when Walt Disney first arrived in California, which was in 1923. At that time, not even Mickey Mouse was in existence yet, let alone Clarabelle Cow, Clara Cluck, Horace Horsecollar or even Oswald. It would be an example of what they call an anachronism.

    And what of all those other lesser-known characters? Where would they go? Because I KNOW they wouldn’t fit on Buena Vista Street.

    Oh, and also, they shouldn’t get rid of the Autopia, because it’s one of the few attractions today that have been around since day one. If they got rid of it, there would be no more opening-day attractions from Tomorrowland.

    • Chaz

      What? That is the only remaining opening day attraction? Incredible. Thanks for enlightening me.

      • Subs wasn’t an opening day attraction. It was part of a Tomorrowland expansion of 1959, which also brought the Matterhorn, Monorail.

  • joemorrow271

    I as well have some of auto and do wish for it to be revamped into something much greater. Autopia is one of the original rides left in Tomorrowland and it would be sad to see it go. Maybe a crossover with auto and rocket rods with the addition of a possible show building. And i agree with “A ride that is controlled by guests with no E-Stop and no station gates to separate kids from the ride path is an incident that I’m surprised hasn’t happened yet.” by WorldFair. It is a pain and there is a reason that cast members have either gotten hurt or hit by the vehicles operated by the guest!

  • tgdiver

    So many great ideas, so little time! I love the lagoon, even if Nemo got old kinda quick. Wish they’d put the gulls back on the buoy, even if they did annoy the cm’s. Doubt that any change will come to the subs after the huge expense of redoing the ride (and over a decade of nothing there…). Innoventions? So many things that could be done with the space. While I have fond memories of the CofP and America Sings, circle theater is outdated. Sort of like Nemo, once you’ve seen it once, not much to keep you going back. And though a totally original attraction would be great, we can’t avoid the fact that character-based attractions go over well. Wall-E might not be too bad.

    I never liked Captain EO, and given all the bad press MJ got, I’m surprised Disney brought it back. The 3D theater idea is always fun, but there are so many ways to put that space to use in a new way. Absolutely love the idea of park-to-park transportation. We Boomers aren’t getting any spryer.

    And on that note, I submit the idea of bringing back the Skyway, but as a new, reengineered attraction, perhaps based on “Up.” My daughter’s idea. How many of us have felt weary at the idea of braving the crowds from one side of the park to the other? The old FL terminal is still there, don’t know about TL. She and I have some design ideas regarding theming the terminal areas, as well as the gondolas.

    And anyone have any good ideas on park-wide transportation at DCA? Again with the Boomer crowd and our aging knees!

  • HT77

    So, I love the idea of a Wall-E ride. But rather than doing something that recaps the movie, what if they were to do something and almost make it a dark ride 2.0).

    My thought is that you load onto a vehicle which then takes you into a launching zone, and then before you know it, you’re in a somewhat helter-skelter pattern (smooth of course, so each member of the family could enjoy it) but focusing on one particular aspect of the story. The thing that immediately jumps to mind would be the star ballet between Wall-E and Eve. And as your vehicle is moving about, in this pattern going back and forth, up and down, turning, you are essentially “dancing” with the other vehicles in the space. Obviously, it would be a track of some sort to allow you to enter, and move, but then you would have something to look at — the other guests, Eve and Wall-E doing their dance, and it would be a high-occupancy ride.

  • kevinjherrera

    I have mixed feelings about the Tomorrowland expansion. In all honesty I do feel that Tomorrowland needs some much TLC. Since the park opened in 1955, Tomorrowland has struggled to find its true identity. In this day and age, and with all the amazing techniques/skills the Disney Imagineers have I’m sure they have several amazing ideas up their sleeves. I do feel tho that with the DCA expansion and Cars Land being such a huge success, DCA very much more “boy” friendly than Disneyland. Tomorrowland is basically the only area, that the male gender is a huge target. With attractions like Star Tours, Space Mountain, and the Jedi Training Academy, what more is their for boys to do? I find my self wanting to spend more time at DCA than at Disneyland now. Its sad, but true. I am sure Disney has plans to put in something to do with the Avengers, or Marvel related in the Tomorrowland expansion plans, if any.

    I would be sad to see the subs go, this particular ride, besides Peter Pans flight, reminds me so much of my childhood. But then again, I do respect the fact that things have to change, for the better. It confuses me tho, that the Nemo attraction has been around for what, 8 years at most? Why such a change so soon? Cost issues? Over all people will be angry, and its completely understandable, but it is exciting to see what will happen. I’m hoping, if anything, for Marvel to be a huge influence!

  • Saark

    The submarines will stay for quite some time, as well as the Autopia. I hear rumors that they could take Innoventions and the Captain EO Theater and turn them into a Stark Expo attraction(s) (from Iron Man). What really needs to be addressed is the return of the WEDway Peoplemover and some kind of return of the Rocket Jets atop the Peoplemover loading station. I remember as a kid, when you entered Tomorrowland there was constant motion…the Peoplemover, the Rocket Jets, the Skyway…now all you see moving is the Astro Orbiter which is just Dumbo, spinning in the other direction.

    • Chaz

      You are so right about constant movement…that signifies progress and energy. And yes, the Orbiter is just plain boring.

  • glowman

    After reading the many comments on redoing Tomorrowland, like a few others, I feel it will probably be quite a while before we see any major changes. With that in mind, I would like to see the People Mover reactivated, only using the system that Florida uses with magnetic fields used instead of rotation tires that bump you along. Many years ago when I visited Florida, I found their People Mover very smooth. If that system would work on the present Disneyland track, I think the imagineers could come up with some interesting additions along the way. This ride was a welcomed “resting spot” for many people, the line moved fast and the trip was restful and entertaining. Think about it Imagineeers, I wouldn’t think it would be hard to “restart” that attraction. I agree with another comment that the jets should be moved away from the entrance to Tomorrowland. If they could be put back at the original location that would open up that space and put them where they use to be.

  • scarymouse

    Do we really need a original ride in tomorrowland? I thought the whole point of the land was the future, always changing , futuristic. Autopia is not the future but the past,really should be relocated for all the nostalgic fans. They should have done it in carsland that one is obvious and would have keep up the numbers for sure. We all know that that corner of the park has been a low point for a long time. It will be hard to re-imagine the space without a complete makeover to the whole thing. With all the new interest in DCA it would be wise to do something sooner than later.You can put up with changes when there is something nice and shiny to go too.At this point anything they came up with would be better than the current offerings.Your either standing in a line or trying to get somewhere else in the parks ie train or monorail, and escaping the smog from autopia. If you build it they will come, its all in the flow……just like thunder’s corner dull and void, same situation just a escape route to frontierland to more popular rides…pirates, mansion,indiana,splash m. What’s where the crowds go they need something in those dark reaches to keep crowds wanting .to go in those directions whatever it takes even if that means removal of once popular rides.Something futuristic would be nice. A dark ride a couple of C ticket rides at least 2 E tickets should do the trick in both of those areas would be nice and make positive changes in park flow.

  • J Laffite 1764

    A complete overhaul of Tomorrowland is not only overdue, but it is necessary to keep people interested. Most of the land currently has nothing to do with the future. Disney is one of the greatest and most innovative companies in the world. The current version of Tomorrowland is sad and embarrassing, and looks more like “the land of yesterday”. They need to put the walls up, and get to work. They can keep Space Mountain, Star Tours, Buzz and the Rockets open during the change. These are pretty much the only attractions keeping the crowd in the land. Disney has plenty of marketable films that have a futuristic theme. A Tron ride/experience akin to Universal’s Transformers would be a no brainer. Add some holograms to these new attractions. I like a previous post’s idea of a theatrical experience with circle vision technology.
    They could easily come up with a Wall-E attraction as well.
    Also, an attraction that has no connection to a film that can be easily updated, maybe based on space travel, time travel, or quantum physics, could make it fresh and timeless so it doesn’t get too played out.
    The subs have to go. Nemo has nothing to do with the futuristic theme, and it’s just a band-aid over a once popular attraction.
    A Nemo attraction belongs in DCA. And it should be the Crush coaster like Disneyland Paris. Not some lame ride like the current “let’s save the subs and add some Nemo images and it will be great” attraction.
    Autopia should be pulled out as well. The ride is dirty, the line during the hot days is unbearable if there is a wait, especially is you are with small children, and it sits on a big plot of land. They can add a driving attraction to California Adventure near CarsLand if they have space. A driving attraction in or near CarsLand makes too much sense.
    How about change the Pizza Port into something like the Cantina from Tatooine in Star Wars?
    Maybe add a smoothie or juice bar with a Wall-E theme.
    Just some thoughts….

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