MiceAge Update: Disneyland Diamonds, Tires and Ghosts

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Published on February 10, 2015 at 3:00 am with 124 Comments

Some of the 60th Anniversary plans were finally revealed, although in a rather underwhelming presentation on Main Street USA that TDA’s execs cut and changed a half dozen times in the days leading up to the modest press event. And while the Disney Parks Blog also finally fessed up about the plans for Luigi’s Flying Tires we told you about months ago, the rest of the 60th plans are now relegated to a slow drip of information through this spring. In this update we’ll fill you in on the backstage panic leading up to last month’s 60th announcement, and what’s ahead for Anaheim before the Diamond Celebration officially begins on May 22nd.

Diamonds Take Forever

Originally the 60th Anniversary media reveal was scheduled for last July 17th, in a splashy event planned for DCA’s Stage 17. But TDA’s executive team, which have struggled to make decisions regarding the 60th, cancelled those plans at the last minute. The cancellation last July was so sudden that TDA was stuck with mountains of hors’ deovres and swag that mostly went to waste.

But around Thanksgiving TDA committed to trying another big event and decided on January 28th. The plan was to spill the beans on all the rides, attractions, and new entertainment coming for the 60th. Disneyland was scheduled to close two hours early, DCA’s closing time was extended two hours later to help take up the slack, and big plans were put in place to wow the assembled media, with the crowd filled in by local bloggers and invited fans from the Disney Parks Blog.

Disneyland Diamonds

But in a scene that’s become more common in TDA in the last two years, the plans on what to say and what to announce began changing almost by the day in the weeks leading up to the event. The end result was a last minute decision to avoid any mention of ride upgrades, 60th nostalgia exhibits, or anything except the three Steve Davison produced entertainment offerings. Until even just a day before the event, there were still plans to mention the changes we’ve been telling you about for almost two years that are coming to the Fantasyland dark rides, and announce that Neil Patrick Harris would take on the celebrity role of Disneyland’s 60th Anniversary Ambassador to the World. And they’d ignore the attraction plans, like the elaborate remake of Condor Flats into Grizzly Peak Airfield that accompanies Soarin’s big budget upgrades and digital 4K conversion to the original film format.

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What happened instead was that TDA closed Disneyland two hours early, pushed out all the paying customers, and then formed a small crowd on Main Street with a tiny contingent of traditional media backfilled with a few dozen amateur bloggers and about 100 fans who got an invite from the Parks Blog. A few dozen extras in attendance were TDA suits and various Burbank hangers-on, nervously watching the crowd to judge their reaction. Steve Davison and Tom Staggs ran through a tightly scripted presentation that was short on details, but long on corporate marketing speak. And 12 minutes after it started, it was all over. Tom was ushered to the Golden Horseshoe for a quick interview with Disney’s in-house communications team, while Steve Davison and a creative rep from each of the three entertainment offerings hosted a brief Q&A session in the Lincoln Theater. The questions from the smattering of traditional media were almost painful; like the confused reporter who gushed she loved the spinning bugs in the original Electrical Parade as a girl and asked how many of those bugs would be used for Paint The Night.

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Why exactly this short event had to be held on Main Street USA and close Disneyland two hours early wasn’t clear, although Steve Davison’s brief display of rough cuts from the projection mapping to be used in the Disneyland Forever fireworks show was ostensibly the excuse. Steve Davison’s brilliant fireworks shows, while artistically impressive, have been an operational nightmare for Disneyland for the last decade as they close a half dozen or more Fantasyland attractions, and sometimes the Matterhorn and Disneyland Monorail system, for up to two hours per night. So it was no surprise to Disneyland operations management that Steve would create havoc with paying customers and close Disneyland two hours early just for a quick 60 second rough-draft display of his latest artistic vision. Who needs an operating theme park anyway? So long as the Entertainment Department has a blank canvas of a park to work on, the message Anaheim’s operations management took away from the media event was that the rides and even the entire park can be shut down at Steve’s whim.

The Leftovers

Left out entirely from the 60th media event were all the other attraction concepts coming to Anaheim before May. The return of the Hatbox Ghost to the Haunted Mansion, new abominable snowman show scenes plussing up the Matterhorn, the Fantasyland dark ride upgrades, the nostalgia-fueled exhibit and upgraded Marvel experiences in Innoventions (with the lower level now shuttered, the upstairs level will also be closed in a few weeks), plus the expensive 4K conversion of Soarin’ Over California and Grizzly Peak Airfield. Those things were originally to be announced on January 28th, with additional information fleshed out for the local fan bloggers at multiple Q&A sessions that night; like the plan to remake Taste Pilots Grill into a new restaurant called Smoke Jumpers Grill with a 1940’s theme and a dance floor made for swing dancing.

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The bigger attraction plans beyond the 60th, like DCA’s new Marvel roller coaster in planning for the parking lot south of Tower of Terror and the Star Wars Land concepts planned for Disneyland’s northern flanks, will have to wait for D23 Expo. The fleet of height test balloons recently bobbing above those various project areas early one morning certainly piqued the interest of arriving Cast Members. But there is still plenty to mention coming to Disneyland for the 60th. Yet TDA’s decision makers can’t seem to commit to a communication strategy, leaving their counterparts in both Burbank and Orlando increasingly annoyed at the indecision.

So now the plan, as much as there is one in TDA, is to announce the non-entertainment 60th offerings in a drip-drip-drip fashion via the Disney Parks Blog. Daily viewership of the Parks Blog has weakened over the years, with a painfully scripted and overly corporate selection of “news” that only a PR flack could enjoy, but at least the Disney fan websites can be counted on to link to any major announcement on the Parks Blog. And unfortunately that’s how the rest of the 60th news will be released until mid May, via Parks Blog pablum.

Tired of Being Tired

The first in these announcements, the closure of Luigi’s Flying Tires, came as no surprise to our regular readers. Although originally the closure of this unsuccessful ride was going to be marketed as part of “new magic” coming for the 60th. Wisely, TDA decided to divorce themselves from that painfully false 60th tie-in, and instead just pretend as if the tires are going away because park visitors would rather be on another spinning car ride than a flying tire.

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The reality is that Luigi’s Flying Tires was a concept doomed from the start. Any Disney fan knows that the ride was shepherded into reality by John Lasseter, a huge Disneyland fan, who wanted to recreate Tomorrowland’s famed Flying Saucers from the 1960’s. The bloated and slower version of the ride that showed up in Cars Land wasn’t much like the smaller and nimbler Flying Saucers, and the ride experience at Luigi’s left much to be desired.

When Bob Iger and Tom Staggs took their first test ride of the completed Flying Tires attraction in March, 2012, an underwhelmed Bob exited his tire and marched over to the Imagineers and told them they needed to make the tires go faster and to turn up the music because he could barely hear it. The sheepish Imagineers had to break the news to Bob was that there was no way to make anything go faster, and he couldn’t hear the music because none was playing and the ride wasn’t planned to have music past the queue. After that rather disastrous executive review, less than 90 days before Cars Land was to open, an emergency plan was put in place to record eight new Italian-themed songs for the attraction and the Imagineers began brainstorming how to make the ponderous ride experience livelier. The Imagineers also added an extra 45 seconds of ride time, bumping it from its original 90 second ride length to the current 2:15 minutes, the thought being riders needed more opportunity to figure out how to get the vehicles to move.

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The other result of that brainstorming was the infamous addition of dozens of huge, Italian-flag beach balls after John Lasseter remembered the old footage of the Flying Saucers when a savvy marketing guy dumped a bunch of beach balls onto the attraction for the TV cameras. TDA ordered thousands of custom-made Italian flag beach balls, and ride operators were staffed backstage every day blowing up new beach balls with air nozzles to keep the fleet of balls clean and freshly plumped. The result of all this new music and beach balls was a thematic overlay installed before the ride even opened, as the Imagineers worked with Pixar consultants to create the “Festival of the Flying Tires”, complete with a fabricated backstory about a musical festival Luigi’s family used to celebrate in the old country. Of course no one who goes on the ride picks up on that contrived backstory, but at least it made sense in panicky Glendale brainstorming sessions in the spring of 2012.

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These last minute additions cost over a million dollars via Imagineering’s bloated budget processes, but that was chump change after the massive underground facility and custom-built ride system zoomed the Luigi’s attraction budget to just shy of 100 Million dollars. By comparison, Radiator Springs Racers as the epic E Ticket that ranks consistently in Anaheim’s Top 3 rides, cost just over 300 Million dollars.

But what works in an Imagineering brainstorming session often turns disastrous during daily theme park operation, with fewer and fewer Imagineers having any real theme park operating experience. And that was what happened to the beach balls, as their addition caused quite a few minor injuries, plus a daily parade at DCA’s Guest Relations from angry riders with injured egos after being smacked upside the head by a beach ball. More importantly, within 60 days of Cars Land’s opening there were several lawsuits regarding injuries allegedly related to the beach balls that have yet to be settled in or out of court. The beach balls were pulled by the end of the first summer, and Disney’s legal team insists that no one even mention that beach balls ever existed on that ride until the pending lawsuits are settled.

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With the beach balls gone by August of 2012, Luigi’s Flying Tires settled in to a mellow pace for the last two and a half years of 600 underwhelmed riders per hour on a ride system that’s proven to be incredibly reliable, if not terribly entertaining. Break downs at Luigi’s have been very rare, making it the most reliable attraction in Anaheim month after month, second only to the human-powered canoes in Critter Country.

But the main reason the ride will close for good is the consistent first aid runs caused by people stumbling as they exit their tire at the end of the ride, once they forget they can’t step on the inflated tire like a step. It’s those pesky and non-stop small injuries, mostly just twisted ankles and skinned knees, which have convinced Disney’s legal department that the ride is an injury factory and a major lawsuit just waiting to happen. In 2013 WDI mocked up a new tire vehicle that had a retractable sidewall allowing for an easier step, but it was a nonstarter with the legal team. Couple the constant injuries with a series of customer research surveys in 2012 and 2013 that showed Luigi’s Flying Tires was one of the least liked attractions at the entire Resort, and the writing was on the wall, even if it did cost almost a hundred million to install.

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In its place a new ride will be built, literally on the grave of the old ride system and its huge underground complex of giant fans, vaults, and air chambers. The new ride, with the working title “Luigi’s Festival of the Dance”, will be a WiFi controlled trackless car ride where jaunty Italian convertibles (but not Fiats, as Disney still tries to woo GM into new park sponsorships) spin and zip around the floor in a series of choreographed dance routines. This will be the third “dancing vehicle” spinner ride at DCA, after Francis Lady Bug Boogie and Mater’s Junkyard Jamboree. WDI will be working hard to make the ride experience notably different with Anaheim’s debut of a trackless vehicle system similar to those already in use in Hong Kong and Paris. It should be interesting to see if they succeed.

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  • CaptainAction

    Disney has left “new” to Universal.

    Disney is content to be a museum.

    • That’s not completely true. With new Star Wars and Marvel lands on the way, as well as massive upgrades and enhancements throughout the resort, Disneyland is very much in a state of renewal. That will all become quite clear within the next 6 months as Disney announces those plans.

      • 22branch

        The problem is that Disney moves at an incredibly slow pace. Even if they announce Star Wars and Marvel lands it will likely be years before the public sees any new attractions at Disneyland.

      • Sprite-Boy

        I agree with 22branch. While I understand it takes a long time to make a great product, the competition is definitely showing that it can be done in a faster pace. I’m now spending a lot of my time going out to experience new experiences. I ask my boys what they want to do each summer, Carsland was the last time Disneyland came up. Knott’s has been at the top of the list for the last three years!! Why? First time was a new trip. Second time the Mine Train redo, third time the upcoming Boardwalk ride. As a single parent of two boys, I need new attractions to get me to the park, not entertainment. I can’t wait to see if Star Wars or Avengers comes into fruition, but considering they haven’t even started clearing ground…I’m pretty sure my 7 and 10 year old will be in their teens, and we will be spending the bulk of our money elsewhere. And for me, that’s sad.

      • Laughing Place

        Dusty I always appreciate your optimism though I don’t know how you do it having to sift through so much negativity on here. Universal to me is fine and worth a visit but it still is just a one day park at the most. Disneyland w/DCA is still a 5 day park to someone like me that visits once a year. I cannot wait for the 60th (going in June) and for the new attractions to come. That being said I do hope for plans for an updated Tommorowland in the near future.

      • Golden

        @Laughingplace – completely agree. Fifteen or twenty years ago I felt like Universal was a two day park, just after it did a massive amount of adding new attractions. But then it fell back to a one day park, and for me it remains that way. Might the Harry Potter stuff change my mind? It’s possible, but it would still only be a two day park…

        And I can’t visit once a year. Lets say once every 5. So for me Disney/DCA is a 10 day experience when I visit, and Universal is still only 1.

        Its a good time to be positive about the future of Universal, but to suggest Disney is stagnating… I just don’t get it, honestly. I think the perception comes solely from the fact Disneyland Park hasn’t been getting very many new attractions in the last 15 years… while ignoring the fact an entire theme park has been built and then rebuilt next door in that time.

      • second blue teacup

        Have to agree with Sprite – adding more entertainment doesn’t keep us coming back. I can see dancers doing corporately neutered choreography at any theme park. I can see modestly talented (at best) singers anywhere.

        Ditto to fireworks. We avoid them, dislike the fact that large sections of the park get shut down for them, and that most park guests suddenly turn into bumbling fools who pay less attention than they already usually do.

        We’re here for attractions and atmosphere. On the former, Disney is falling behind (with RSR the only quality product in *years* – even though it’s just a re-tread of another attraction); the latter is being destroyed by bored locals.

      • dizneedoll

        I don’t want Star Wars land and Marvel land. I’m a Disney fan not a Star Wars or Marvel fan and I’m sick of them pushing both of those properties into the Disney properties. It’s fine that they own them and want to use them but I hate that it has to be in the Parks and that they keep trying to mesh them all together and keep them more separate. I’m a huge Disney fan and love the Parks but I’m with Captain Action more and more lately in regards to Universal and I’m really excited about Harry Potter. Star Wars and Marvel I could care less about but I know I’m in the minority here and that both have huge fan bases.

    • solarnole

      I agree even the E ticket in Carsland just reuses the decades old ride system from Test Track at Epcot and it does not even go as fast as the original.

      Disney is afraid to take risks now. Universal got some bad press with all the issues Gringotts had like Disney did with Test Track but investing in a completly original state of the art ride system is better then recycling one people have ridden for years.

      The way Disney is run now they are way too careful to even build a new state of the art ride system and will always opt for the cheaper option of using an older ride system. Disney won’t even let the cars rock on the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. Disney today is more worried about character meets and resturants then actually making state of the art rides that amaze people like they used too.

      At least Universal is carring the touch passed from Walt and always pushing the boundaries of what rides can do.

      • LoveStallion

        Eh, I do think Universal has created some original ride systems, but I also feel too much of it is based on projection screens and 3D. Disney still has the cojones to actually build stuff, though I do lament that they build less frequently than in times past.

    • martinjbell1986

      Obviously CaptainAction doesn’t read these articles but scrolls down to post negative comments at 3 in the morning. I bet his paychecks come from Comcast / Universal.

      • ufrank71

        apparently not cuz people agree w/him as do i

    • Indy Fan 1

      Universal has been dead since the 2008 fire that killed King Kong. They need to rip out the Simpsons and the Mummy and put back Back to the Future the Ride and the E.T. Adventure.

      • Golden

        Both of those moves were definitely backwards steps. The building of Springfield is awesome and the Mummy is a great ride but BTTF and ET were both superior.

      • MrsMonroe

        why rip out something new to put a dated and aged attraction that only nostalgic people would even care about.

      • Sprite-Boy

        While I agree with what you say, was a huge fan of Back to the Future and the ET Adventure, both rides my boys would have LOVED to have gone on and would be repeat rides unlike what is there today, I can’t fault Universal for trying new attractions and new story telling. They don’t have much space, so things have to go and the old will remain in my memories.

        On a sidenote, those stupid soap box racers at Knotts Berry Farm will always live in my memory as one of my favorite rides of my youth, and I really wish my boys could have experienced it. If they exist today, they probably would be terrible and wipe out all the good memories of hitting on young ladies and trying to get them to ride with me. Lol.

      • GuardianDragon_Mushu

        @MrsMunroe Because their existence in the park is a giant, money-waste of a mistake and they probably should’ve used that money to spruce the far superior, older attractions up rather than omitting them from the park completely? New isn’t always *better*.

  • ghosty4

    “the elaborate remake of Condor Flats into Grizzly Peak Airfield that accompanies Soarin’s big budget upgrades and digital 4K conversion” Please don’t ever refer to Soarin’ Over California as “Soarin'” when you are talking about the California version. “Soarin'” is in Lake Buena Vista, Florida.

    • griglager

      That’s what they call it here…that’s what I’m gonna say.

    • I appreciate your comment, but that is what everyone actually calls the attraction. No one uses the long name. Just like “California Screamin'” is almost always simply called “Screamin’.” Since this update is all about Disneyland, I don’t think anyone was confused that we might be speaking about Orlando.

    • Co Foo

      Is there anyone confused about what we’re talking about?

    • lnsemsf

      Once they change the movie in a few years it won’t be “Soarin’ Over California” anymore. Better get used to not calling it that.

      • Indy Fan 1

        Not happening, “Soarin’ Over California” is not going anywhere.

      • MrsMonroe

        @Indyfan1 he is referring to the fact that Soarin’ Over California will drop the “Over California” name when the new film is installed.

      • AvanteGardens

        @MrsMonroe, he knows that, hes trying to say that the old movie was digitized and the Soaring Over the World version will NOT be coming to DCA (or so the updated rumor goes)

    • ayalexander

      ghosty4 I used to work at Disneyland for years and I worked with all kinds of cast members from all location and even ride operators of Soarin’ over California and everyone always officially referred to it as Soarin’ and even over the radio when security calls were issued, the security team referred to that building as Soarin’.

      • Internitty

        I thought Soarin’ was the bad guy in Lord of The Rings

  • StupidJudy

    Steve Davison is selfish for closing a park early to present test footage, but Lassiter is “a huge Disneyland fan”, not selfish-in-the-least for spending $100 million on a foggy memory?

    You’ve targeted so many other execs, it was only a matter of time before you went after Davison – one the few good ones that are left.

  • toonaspie

    It’s a shame they couldn’t get the flying tires ride to work. I would have preferred they still used the tires as vehicles for the new spinner ride but have the seats tilt around a bit to give you the feeling of LFT without actually floating.

    • sinatra12

      I think the major downfall of the tires was the fact that the vehicles are so large, that its hard to control even without 1-2 other people sitting next to you. The benefit of the old Flying Saucers ride was that each saucer only sat 1 person, so as a result the vehicles were smaller, and easier to control

      • BrianFuchs

        One of the reasons for the larger size vehicles is the larger sized guests than used to visit 50 years ago… Remember how Small World needed a tweak because larger sized customers made the boats bottom out in the trough?

        As one of said larger guests, I found the tires quite easy to operate when sitting in the direct center. Just a slight lean gets you going nicely. But put two mismatched people in the same vehicle, and it goes nowhere, as the one side is stuck to the ground.

        I was born one year after the saucers closed, and wished I had been able to ride them. I’m so glad I got to finally make that dream come true, even if it was on a $100M ride that was a shadow of the original.

      • pineapplewhipaddict

        Does anyone remember the footage of Lasseter test riding the tires? He is not a small man, and yet he was flying fast across the area. They had it working until they added something more to the tires (my memory is foggy – why did they do that? I think it had something to do with steering). It’s just too bad.

        I come to Disneyland for the rides, not for the shows and meet and greets (though I do feel that they plus the experience). It’s a shame they’re not celebrating their attractions.

  • rstar

    It seems to me their big mistake when building the flying tires was in the initial testing phases. They should have realized that the oversize ride vehicles would be a problem. If they would have made them single rider like the flying saucers it would have made a huge difference I think.

    I am looking forward to the 60th but they sure do need to get one competent person to head the marketing department!

  • MrTour

    Doesn’t Disney do research before spending millions on an attraction? Building an attraction because of John Lasseter’s childhood memories without researching why it was originally taken out of Tomorrowland would be like building America Sings again because some of us loved it. Truth is, towards the end, few were riding it. It’s sad that after 60 years and almost 12 parks later that they are spending millions on faux pas based on one person’s ego.

    • KennyVee

      I don’t think current Disney upper management is even aware of the park’s history. Some of them are probably still unaware that the Flying Saucers ever existed. Disney’s current track record shows that it is being run by people who have ignored every single lesson of the past 60 years of theme park operation. It’s like Disney parks are being run by a bunch of amateurs who are completely oblivious to knowledge that should come as second nature to a company that’s been in the business for six decades. They seem to be making things up as they go, with no master plan at all — and the ever-lowering quality of Disney parks is a testament to their ineptitude.

      • There’s some truth to what you are saying. There are certainly many senior Disney management who are too young to know much of Disneyland’s history. But there are also many who do. My overall impression is that most of them really do care (even if they aren’t experts in the resort’s history). They don’t always have the budgets they want to do everything they’d like, and they have to balance the needs to today’s youth against the demands of our generation’s more nostalgic desires. There are clearly a few duds in the ranks, and a few who are well intentioned but out of touch. But, overall, it’s a pretty good team.

        Disney also has all sorts of long term master plans. They evolve constantly, but they do think much farther out than you’d imagine: Third park, resort area transportation, new hotels, resort infrastructure enhancement and replacement needs, which properties and franchises are upcoming in the Disney pipeline . . . Disney thinks very far ahead. They just never announce anything until the last minute because those plans are always fluid.

      • Algernon

        In my view, Disneyland is being run by people who would never go there if their jobs didn’t depend on it. Hollywood parties and sipping Champaign at Club 33 is probably more their style.

      • Disneykin Kid

        Disney needs to hire people who love the product, not just people who are qualified to do their jobs. Only Disneylanders know what works and what fans want.

      • MrTour

        Astro Orbiter seems like more of a planning faux pas than Luigi’s. NOTHING about the placement of this attraction makes sense. The recent additions to the parks only shows how out of touch the planners really are.

      • billyjobobb

        please don’t forget rocket rods.

      • Internitty

        I don’t think anyone is too young to know about the park history Dusty. I am too young to have experienced the second world war and yet I know tons about it, that’s what history classes are for. EVERY executive working for Disney needs to be taught the history of the park, even if they just make a DVD box set and force them to watch it. When you work for something that is embedded in history it is your responsibility to know it’s history and there is PLENTY out there to teach them.
        Maybe they could even just listen to Tony Baxter’s interviews with The Season Pass Podcast, it was completely enlightening and I really think the Imagineers need to listen to it or we’ll keep getting dark rides like The Little Mermaid that are all show and no substance.
        The history is out there, age is not an excuse for not knowing it especially when you’re earning the sort of money these people earn.

      • AvanteGardens

        Yes Internitty, but these are guys who went to college to learn how to make money, not how to make beautiful things, unlike the leaders of Disney in the 1950’s. You can take a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

    • DLFan1995

      Unfortunately, there are too many elements of an attraction that are controlled by non creative management – capacity, cost, accessibility, cost, capacity and cost.

      Their decision to go with larger two passenger tires was due to their not creating a ride system as technical as the original saucers. The air hockey platform took more energy and wasted most of that. The system didn’t have an alternating load/unload system like the saucers did so capacity dropped.

      The combination of trying to get the desired capacity with larger ungainly vehicles while under the constraints of a cheap, simple ride system just doomed it from the start.

      Whether anyone at Imagineering ever challenged those issues or if any challenges were just shut down off the bat because of cost limitations is unknown. I would hope that there were at least SOME at Imagineering who at least tried to push for a better concept.

  • danyoung

    >…the message Anaheim’s operations management took away from the media event was that the rides and even the entire park can be shut down at Steve’s whim.<

    This article is the first I've read to have anything bad to say about the new fireworks and projection show. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a weekly feature originally written by Al Lutz should have no problem going negative. I did agree, though, with your review of the Flying Tires debacle. Didn't matter how much Lasseter wanted this – you can't put lipstick on a pig. It'll be very interesting to see what they come up with for this space.

    • I don’t think you read the article correctly. It isn’t saying anything bad about Steve Davison’s brilliant and inventive fireworks, it is saying that Operations staff are frustrated by how those shows impact park operations. Don’t shoot the messenger.

      • danyoung

        On the contrary – I read and understood the article. You were way down on the event itself, and leaned in the direction of Steve Davison getting his way at the expense of other departments, and that the introductory event of the new nighttime show was a huge bust. Other sites and other folks who attended the event had nothing but glowing reports of both the event itself and the new show, whereas the Miceage article took a totally different tone. In this case, the messenger needs to be shot, IMO.

      • StupidJudy

        Watch out, Dan. Dusty will ban you for ‘trolling’.

    • Internitty

      Kicking paying guests out 2 hours early for a 12 minute corporate love in is not good and their comments are exactly right.

  • tooncity

    Disappointing.

  • Wendygirl

    Speaking of John Lasseter – what is he up to these days? He has seemed to disappear off the radar and I never hear anything about what he is up to in regards to the Parks nor has he made any appearances. His choice or ???

    • It was announced that he’s going to direct the next Toy Story film. Since that’s the franchise which started his career, I’m guessing that he’s pulling back to focus on the film and that this will perhaps be his swan song. I hope I’m wrong about that. John really is a brilliant and visionary creative.

      • Wendygirl

        I hope you are wrong too. 🙁 I was hoping to see him continuing to be involved in both Dland and DCA but after Carsland I just haven’t heard anything about him in regards to the Parks – the films, yes.

    • DizzyFuss

      You want to know what John Lasseter is up to these days? Take a look at his recent filmography (In both feature films and short films); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lasseter#Filmography

      • Wendygirl

        Thanks for the link. I was referring to his interest in Disneyland and DCA not his films. I know he is very involved there. It just seemed for awhile there he was really going to get heavily involved in the Parks (and he did because we have Carsland) but after Carsland, poof – not much from him. Makes me sad because I felt he could really get things moving along with a new attraction or upgrades or something.

    • DizzyFuss

      In regards to Imagieering, as Principal Creative Adviser, I’m sure that he still offer his imput on projects. The goings-on within the walls of WDI have always been very private, I’m sure that he still offers his opinion there.

  • fnord

    I’m glad I got to ride the flying saucers at Disneyland in 1963 as a
    fourth grader. Did I reride? No, it was always breaking
    down so the lines were very slow, and besides, my
    first ride was no fun,with almost no effective control
    of the saucer. And with the original Matterhorn Bobsleds
    and all the other great Disneyland rides to enjoy, I wasn’t
    about to waste my time on that one again. It was
    my first time at the park.

  • Disneykin Kid

    A lot of people wanted to see the Flying Saucers return, not just John Lasseter, but unfortunately, the Flying Tires wasn’t the right answer. I hope they don’t give up on the ride system, it’s heartening to hear that it was actually reliable, because I thought that was the downfall of the Saucers. I hope the ride system will return, preferably in a new version of the Flying Saucers, maybe as an indoor attraction. Take all those fans from Luigi’s and install them in Tomorrowland!

    Star Wars – please please put it in the third park, Disneyland is already busting at the seams with crowds.

    • BrianFuchs

      I agree with your premise, and all the people complaining are missing that important point – the original saucers were very unreliable. Bob Gurr mentions how they were a maintenance nightmare. The engineers finally got it right on Luigi’s. And that says a lot.

      The original saucers did have a big advantage over Luigi’s – they had a swing arm that would clear the playing field at the end of the ride, corralling the saucers in the load/unload area, while releasing a second set of newly loaded saucers into the playing field. They got a patent for that great idea, and it doubled the ride capacity. Luigi’s doubled capacity with larger vehicles, but that led to imbalanced vehicles.

      The engineers planned on directional vents in the rear of the tire to allow the rider some notion of steering, but in operation it just didn’t work out. Even if they had found a way to mount (safely) a fan and fins on the back of the tire to provide forward propulsion, hovercraft by their nature are a beast to control.

      But again, the engineers did fix the reliability problem. What if someday we saw a ride using traditional hovercraft, where the vehicles are piloted by cast members? I could almost imagine that as part of Avatarland, assuming one of the upcoming sequels had such a setting.

    • dizneedoll

      Exactly. Star Wars needs to go somewhere else. Just think of all the Star Wars people who aren’t Disney fans and don’t go to the Parks that will start showing up if they put that in. As I said earlier, fine to build it just do it someplace else. I don’t know where they could, there isn’t any room in Anaheim. I’d be happy if they stuck it down in Orlando. Plenty of room there and it would be far from me.

      • Kenny B

        “Just think of all the Star Wars people who aren’t Disney fans and don’t go to the Parks that will start showing up if they put that in.” —- ugghh. It’s backwards thinking like this —– this is why nothing ever gets made anymore.

      • LoveStallion

        Funny, because I think Disney’s marketing people are thinking, “Just think of all the Star Wars people who aren’t Disney fans and don’t go to the Parks that will start showing up if we put it in.”

        Sure, you can drive a third gate, but that is a much bigger project than a new land that will drive attendance into your existing infrastructure.

        We all hated the seven-hour lines for Star Wars 2.0, but do you think Disney was complaining? They were grinning ear to ear in the boardroom.

    • Internitty

      Or put Star Wars in DCA

  • Disneykin Kid

    Star Wars is the one with most expansion potential, Marvel maybe second – it needs a place to grow, not be shoehorned into Toontown.

    • Club55

      Hear, hear!

    • Golden

      Look on Google Earth at all the space behind Toontown filled with buildings… if they are going to announce a Star Wars Land up that end I very much doubt they will shoehorn it, they will expand the footprint of the park (or they might end up using the North End of Tomorrowland along with Toontown ie subs, innoventions, autopia… check out the footprint of that as well).

      The problem is that even if they knew today exactly where the third gate was going and exactly what infrastructure changes they would need to make to make it happen, it is ten years away, by which time the ninth star wars movie is already several years in the rear view mirror. On the other hand, an entirely new land to start building in 2016 could be open potentially by some time in 2017, in time for the eighth movie. That’s the basic reality of the decision making.

      It also doesn’t make a lot of business sense to start plans for a third gate based heavily around zeitgeist IP. The gate needs to stand up on its own before overlaying IP on top of it. I for one hope they don’t end up having an entire Marvel-gate.

      • mondo

        With Its A Small World in the middle? I can’t see Star Wars Land taking over Toon Town AND Subs, Autopia, Innoventions. SWL should go into the 3rd park.

      • AvanteGardens

        They moved Small World all the way from New York, Im sure they can move it 100 yards if it means having a Star Wars Land.

  • QuiGonJ

    The park closes at other times for private events, so why all the vitriol? It does sound like the event was a waste of time, but life goes on.

    The tires were doomed from the start. Who was the person who heard about it and went “Not those things again?!?” And besides, all those lawsuits are why they never could make the impacts bigger or the tires faster. From what I’ve heard, our idiotic legal system is why bumper cars are a rare breed because of people crying “whiplash! whiplash!” and it would have been that if it wasn’t people falling out of the cars when trying to leave them.

    Least they are finally gong to do something more with the space.

    • Golden

      You do have a stupid legal system

      (Says a lawyer who works in a much better one – opinion only)

  • Shelly Valladolid

    I think I went to a different media event. I’m really excited about the expansion news, though, and am really happy to see swing dancing coming into DCA. I can’t dance worth anything, but I love to watch them throw each other around!

  • M69

    Thanks for (brief) article. Never rode Luigi’s too boring) but wish they’d left the tire concept and simply made it work – albeit differently – via wifi. Hoped for better; appreciate Lasseter for trying. Nothing really new here except the insider info on a lame media “event” and a peculiar closure of Disneyland for said event. Interesting to see the replies on this strand… it seems more and more people are tired of how Disney mis-handles its press opportunities and re-imagineering investments. That said, Condor Flats changes seem great; upgrades to dark rides (and Matterhorn) seems awesome; Hatbox Ghost will be a very welcome addition; Paint the Night should be a spectacle; but not holding my breath for Tomorrowland, Star Wars, or Marvel additions / improvements. If the Marvel coaster is yet another Rock N Roller POC (WDW/DLRP) – no thanks!!

  • CADisney

    Great to hear the news about the Taste Pilots remodel. Smoke Jumpers Grill sounds like a fun idea, and I can’t wait to see the revised land. Looking forward to hearing more news about Star Wars and Marvel attractions.

    Thank you for the updates!

  • Baloo

    what a waste of an article, no substance to it except just a bunch of lashing out at people.
    so sad

    • peanutj

      So true, Baloo. I couldn’t even finish reading the article because of all negativity. Makes me feel like I need to take a shower because I’ve been sprayed with a stream of vitriol.

    • angle

      What a waste of commentary, no substance to it except lashing out at the article. Makes me feel like I need to go outside and take a walk or something because I’ve been sprayed with arbitrary opinions.

      • DizzyFuss

        angle– People *are* entitled to their opinions, you know.

        I’ve been reading micechat articles off and on for a few months now, and I would love to know why people always get lynched whenever they criticize the articles.

      • StupidJudy

        MiceChat mentality.
        People who criticize the articles are routinely flamed – then banned for trolling.

      • second blue teacup

        StupidJudy, in a culture where people have been raised to believe that their opinions are “facts” it’s hardly surprising that any dissent is immediately derided as “trolling”. It’s a classic sign of emotional immaturity and shallowness.

        Shooting the messenger, if you will…

  • The Fassa

    Wow. While everything seems nicely put and exiting to come out for the 60th, it’s all the problems with the Flying Tires that really get on my nerves. HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO STUPID???!!! When I rode it, the CM told me about a million times how to get in the tire, how to move it, and how to get out. She just didn’t tell us that the smallest person needed to be off center, not in the middle. Though I got angry at my mom (and constantly yell at her whenever I remember that day) for doing exactly that, it was still a really fun ride, and we moved well. Also, how can a freakin’ beach ball hurt someone? Somebody explain that to me… If I continue to ramble I might just as well punch myself for not going again on that ride.

  • thedustycoyote

    I love the idea of a swing dance floor in DCA, but I’d prefer it to go in Hollywood Land where the backlot stage sits. I think it fits better there thematically, and it could bring a ton of ambiance to the area. Plus, isn’t Taste Pilot’s Grill short on seating already?

    • AvanteGardens

      So is this their scheme for getting the swing dancers out of Fantasy Faire?

      • DizzyFuss

        AvanteGardens–Not necessarily.

  • ZedIzDead

    My favorite line..

    “a tiny contingent of traditional media backfilled with a few dozen amateur bloggers…”

    Because ya know.. WE are professional. LOL.

    • No, “We” aren’t professionals. We are bloggers. But this article wasn’t written by us. It was written by folks at Disney. These are their comments about us.

      • AvanteGardens

        Where does the information in these updates come from anyhow? Does Al Lutz have cousins who work in top park management? Do you have a sort of whistleblower line where they write in to you to give you stuff to publish?

      • Kenny B

        It’s says by MIceAge………….. there should be more transparency.

      • Country Bear

        If I understand Dusty’s comment above, the people who write the MiceAge Update, work at Disney. If they provided transparency, then they would be terminated immediately and we would be left with no “insider info” at all.

        I am less interested in who writes the updates than I am in whats IN the updates. I’m fine with the lack of transparency as it allows us to have the article in the first place.

      • AvanteGardens

        “I am less interested in who writes the updates than I am in whats IN the updates”

        Just to be clear, I agree and I didn’t realize it was a touchy subject or I wouldn’t have asked. This is the first time I’ve seen the commenters even talk about the source. I always had thought it was a MiceChat blogger reporting from several different sources but the commenters here seem to suggest that its written by just one person from inside DAC, so I learned something.

    • Jake “Mr Twitchy”, you have been trolling us for years. Enough. We get it, you don’t like us. But there are LOTS of fan sites out there that tell you only the things written by the Disney Parks Blog and only in the most positive pixie dusted way. I think you’d be a lot happier person (and probably need a lot fewer blood pressure pills) if you’d just read one of those sites. But for the folks who DO want to know what is going on behind the scenes at the parks and in Imagineering, these MiceAge Updates are a real treat.

      I know that I always look forward to reading them and it’s always a nice surprise when I see one show up on the site.

      • tannerdj

        It is a treat to read these updates. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be so many comments immediately following them. Thanks for the articles!

      • LoveStallion

        Dusty, I want to grab coffee with you and just bask in your presence.

      • jcruise86

        ^ ^ He’s one of the most pleasant people to bump into at Disneyland or encounter on a Micechat Halloween outing. Norm and Jeff are pretty great too! In fact, the Micechatters are such a great group that you can show up to the Micechat Halloween gatherings alone and quickly feel at home, surrounded by friendly folks!

      • jcruise86

        (I was responding to LoveStallion’s post above.)

      • Country Bear

        Well said Dusty!

      • StupidJudy

        I love when Dusty uses the word “troll” – what he really means is someone who questions the decisions and reporting of MiceAge/Chat. And one thing Dusty and the other editors LOVE to do is question decisions. So, just consider it a compliment – until they ban you.

        They love the passive aggressive “look forward to seeing” your opinions – until you try and log in and you’ve been banned “forever for trolling.” But, it’s their clique. They can do what they want.

        In Memoriam – Kevin Yee’s Column

      • Golden

        But what I don’t understand is, if people don’t like the decisions and reporting style of MiceChat, why do they constantly post complaining about it instead of just not using the site?

        I mean, I just don’t understand all the posts complaining about how not all of the rumors come true… it’s like such people are completely oblivious to what the MiceAge Update actually is and how the real world works.

      • DizzyFuss

        I an new to the comments section here, and I only read these insider updates once in a while. The point is (at least from my perspective) these articles are written as if they are meant to be click bait, every news item is described as if it were a scandal. Sometimes these insider updates get picked up by high profile news outlets, and then inaccurate (occasionally untrue) rumors start spreading and take on a life of their own. Often causing misinformation about what is really going on. I personally have no problem quitting this site cold turkey, but when misinformation is spread to the public, that is the problem, as I see it. Some people take these updates as if they were the word of God.

      • Golden

        Dizzyfuss – I think you will find very few people who have been around MiceChat for any length of time take the MiceAge update as if it were the word of God, but now that I see your perspective I understand where you are coming from.

        Once, however, people do understand that the ‘MiceAge Update’ column – and only that column – is people from inside the Disney corporation giving information on what is happening behind closed doors, about the thought processes and talk going on, then I find most people see it as one of the most valuable sources of information on Disney parks that exists.

        Other news sources DO pick it up, but lets be clear here… its never untrue. Its never misinformation. Its never inaccurate. It’s not just made up rumours for clickbait purposes. But it isn’t ready to be announced by Disney either, and that means it is always subject to change. And that means some of it doesn’t happen. And other news outlets do mangle it as though it was already decided and not subject to change. But that’s not Miceage’s fault, its the other outlets for either misunderstanding or being unclear. And, honestly, even when media reports it just ‘might’ happen, all the time people read it and take it as Gospel. That’s on people who don’t read things properly.

        As for Disney Parks Blog. I love it and I think its great that you stick up for it. But if you really want to understand it’s nature, go read its blog about Mad T Party returning to Disneyland, and then look at the comments section and count the negative ones. Zero. Zero negative comments for something that sooooooo many Disney fans would like to see go forever and think is far beyond normal Disney quality standards. Now look at any other blogs you can find, look for how many negative comments there are all up. It definitely appears as though they don’t post comments that don’t fit with their PR there, and that might help you understand why a Disney insider might see it as “PR flack”.

        I am often not a big fan of how negative it can get around MiceChat towards Disney. I think it can be over-negative here sometimes, and I often find myself defending Disney. But this site offers something very different to what Disney Park Blogs does, and many people are very thankful for the perspective the site brings to things. It’s definitely the best place to come to see into the future, to know what rides will be closed etc… it has a lot of really good purposes.

  • LoveStallion

    So weird to have two spinners up the “street” from one another.

    I can’t wait to see how they spin a GM sponsorship. To be authentically Euro, they’d have to use Opel, which won’t do much for brand building this side of the pond, so get ready to spin around in your Chevy Spark!

  • jawknee

    “Why exactly this short event had to be held on Main Street USA and close Disneyland two hours early wasn’t clear, although Steve Davison’s brief display of rough cuts from the projection mapping to be used in the Disneyland Forever fireworks show was ostensibly the excuse. ”

    Way to answer your own question.

  • MrOCT31

    “completly original state of the art ride system is better then recycling one people have ridden for years.”

    I’d be happy if they recycled some old rides based on old technology such as the People Mover or the Skyway! Bring back Mission to Mars (OK you can use 4K screens in the ship!), give me the original County Bear Jambroee and last but not least, while it would benefit from a technology update,how about a little Journey through Inner Space!

  • lighttragic

    I dont think people take the time to read the article and automatically assume its negative. Steve Davison does a great job with fireworks no doubt. but lets all admit it if i were in operations i would be frustrated having to shut down parts of fantasyland and all of toontown. With the new fireworks it looks like more attractions may be at risk of shutting down for fireworks Miceage/chat is not being negative they are simply stating the facts. In some regards I wish Disney’s team would work more cohesively to deal with these issues. How about operations and Imagineering working together before allowing a ride like luigis to be built. some of these issues could be avoided. I appreciate hearing the insight and innerworkings of Disney. If I want fluff I could go elsewhere but I choose micechat/miceage to hear all the good stuff.

  • fnord

    Disney was still alive when the saucers were mothballed,
    Having ridden the flying saucers as a forth grader, I
    think he made a good call.

  • karcreat

    If they replace the Hatbox Ghost, and he looks just as he DID in 1969 (NOT like the tepid, poorly conceived ‘dapper/tall’ version seen at the D23 Expo) I would be thrilled to make the trip JUST to see him back home again where he belongs…;)

  • MonteJ

    I think it’s refreshing to read a snarky opinion-piece like this occasionally. (Sounds just like Al Lutz to me). It’s more about perspective than disseminating new information. I’m certain that Imagineers and other creative-types often get tunnel-vision regarding their projects and it has to be frustrating for those dealing with the practical nuts & bolts of management or for those who just don’t share their artistic vision. Disney is a corporate culture that remarkably still pulls off a bit of “magic” from time to time. Thanks for sharing a little peek into the process that goes into making that magic happen.

    • DizzyFuss

      Just because it is snarky does not necessarily mean that it is accurate. Just because something sounds “juicy” does not always mean that it is true.

  • DizzyFuss

    “Daily viewership of the Parks Blog has weakened over the years, with a painfully scripted and overly corporate selection of “news” that only a PR flack could enjoy”

    I would like to point out the fact that even though the Disney Parks blog DOES have lots of PR speak, at least their news is ACCURATE. They don’t deal with rumors or speculation.

    For example;
    For months, I noticed that micechat updates insisted that the submarines were going under a phony refurb and would never reopen. (Even going as far as to suggest that all of the scaffolding was only there to fool people)
    In comparison;
    Right from the get-go, the Disney Parks blog stated that the subs were going to close-down for a refurb and that they WERE going to reopen.

    And the submarines did indeed reopen in Sep. 2014.

    Also, the Disney Parks blog does NOT just have PR news. They occasionally have informative pieces, like this one; http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2015/02/the-magic-of-disney-parks-storytelling-fiddler-fifer-practical-cafe-at-disney-california-adventure-park/

    Saying that the Parks blog only has news “that only a PR flack could enjoy”…

    Is VERY offensive to people who read and enjoy the Disney Parks blog. In the past few months that I’ve been looking at this site I have noticed that micechat editors seem to have no problem offending their readers.

    If nothing else, it would be much easier to enjoy these micechat updates if readers actually knew who was writing them (Rather than just stating “Written by MiceAge”) ESPECIALLY when they are written in a very opinionated and snarky tone. It is rather off-putting to read an article with such a tone when the author is anonymous.

    • StupidJudy

      Anybody want to make a wager to see if DizzyFuss is allowed to comment on further articles?

      • DizzyFuss

        StupidJudy–Rather than being “cute”, please explain to me what I said that was so wrong. I simply was expressing my opinion. If people are not allowed to disagree with the tone of the articles, then for the record, just say so.

      • DizzyFuss

        Oh..Disregard my original response to you, after see your other comments here, I realize what you were trying to say.

      • StupidJudy

        🙂

    • jawknee

      love your response, dizzyfuss

      • DizzyFuss

        Thanks jawknee.

    • Golden

      OK, but here is what MiceAge effectively told you in this time…

      They told you that when the subs were shut down, the current prevailing theory in TDA was to put Star Wars land in Tomorrowland. Later on, MiceAge reported that plan had changed, and then the subs reopened.

      MiceAge Update never ‘insisted’ that something would happen. They simply provided context on the thinking of what was happening behind closed doors. In the end, it didn’t happen. It doesn’t mean that Disney weren’t considering it.

      I’m just gonna say this from the perspective of a legal advisor who trades in how things are said to the public. Of course Disney Park Blogs said the subs were just shutting down for a refurb. They would never say anything else, no matter what the intention really was. It’s true that Disney Park Blogs never tells you things will happen that won’t – neither would any client I work for.

      It’s a waste of time to be offended about this stuff. The Disney Parks Blog and the Miceage Update are coming from completely different perspectives and have completely different agendas and reasons for being. And trust me, when you work inside a place, the PR spin that gets put on stuff can often feel misleading to people who are actually working on it, and sometimes they don’t like it. It’s not a surprise that they person providing the information feels that way about the PR-ising about stuff where they no differently. Best to just think of it in the context of who it was written by.

      And of course they can’t say who wrote it. The source would lose their job if their name was to it.

      • DizzyFuss

        “And of course they can’t say who wrote it. The source would lose their job if their name was to it.”

        Honestly, If they are leaking info, then they deserve to lose their job. If they are so concerned with job security then they should just keep their metaphorical mouth shut, especially when they are writing such disparaging things.

        Because sooner or later, everyone gets found out.

  • AvanteGardens

    It seems premature to be categorizing Luigi’s replacement ride system as a “spinner”. Would you call Aquatopia (Tokyo Disney Sea) a “spinner”? My best guess the replacement for Luigi’s will look much like Aquatopia but with more synchronization between vehicles and load as a group instead of continuos. One benefit of this trackless design is that they can cover up the vents from Luigi’s and leave all the infrastructure there for the next time someone like Lasseater gets nostalgic, then just pull up the floor, throw the tire vehicles on and its good to go as Flying Tires again.

  • Kenny B

    What happened to this comment section. It even say’s they’res 91 comments — whats happening here MiceChat?

  • storyteller

    Some random thoughts:

    Grizzly peak sounds good, having thematic continuity in a land is a big deal for me, the immersion experience is what makes something special. Take the lid of Space Mountain it’s an okay roller coaster, inside the dome with the effects it’s incredibly fun.

    Star Wars Land is going to happen at Disneyland and not a third gate. The time is now, people are wanting it. The trick is placement: It needs to go back where Toontown is to draw people to the back of the park. You can expand the footprint back there both to the West and North. In the meantime, Tomorrowland needs a total redo that embraces the aesthetic of the new Tomorrowland movie visually while incorporating some different creative properties and at least one, totally non-entity based attraction. The only ride you must keep is Space Mountain and Star Tours and if you have the budget you move Star Tours to back with its brethren. In new Tomorrowland you can rides with Tron, Big Hero 6, etc.

    Marvel Land should go in DCA to siphon off crowds into Disneyland. If I was dreaming it would go where the Hotel is now, but I’m certain that won’t happen. The trick then is footprint, a tiny Marveland will be worse than not having one at all. Your options are to fill the land east of Carsland and South of Tower of Terror, and even then I’d think you have to buy the properties that edge Katella and reroute that corner of Disney Way to have a large enough space. Otherwise, you should go west of Paradise Pier, retheme the Hotel to be Marvel based, and use that giant parking lot area. This will sort of turn DCA into a long hockey-stick shape, but I don’t see any way around it, and it will pull guests through your park to the end (you’d probably want to to have some kind of transport ride to get there, maybe build a gondola that departs from Grizzly Peak area with the loading tower built where Blue Sky Cellar is?) Plus it would leave you that Southeast Corner to put in one more land.

    Other than that it’s a matter of upgradings here and there: Where Big Thunder Ranch is put in a dark ride (I’d like one based on the Oregon Trail, with the ride vehicle being a wagon shape but built like Indy’s jeeps so you can simulate rough terrain, weather effects, etc.), Fantasyland theatre should become an attraction area based on Frozen that’s permanently there. Hollywoodland would benefit greatly from The Great Movie Ride at MGM (which I love) and dropping the un-themed party tie ins. Bug Island gets visual upgrades (eg: turn the show building for it’s tough to be a bug into a giant ant hill) and turn the southeast corner into a new land (if you can expand it how I talked about earlier I’d favor a Prehistoric California land with dinosaurs and the Roaring Rapids ride slated for Shanghai Disneyland).

    • Golden

      While it isn’t critical to keep it, I also see no need to remove Buzz Lightyear in a hurry… it has a fairly significant capacity and is still genuinely fun for many. It’s footprint also isn’t particularly significant. I’d prefer to see Tomorrowland’s capacity increased, so removing that ride doesn’t seem like it would be the best way to achieve that.

    • AvanteGardens

      you’re right, that was random

  • DizzyFuss

    If Disney Parks blog is “PR flack” then miceage is The National Enquirer.

    • StupidJudy

      LOVE IT!

  • danielz6

    I think the new new luigitopia (credit to me for coining the phrase) will be a bore. Aquatopia is only exciting because of the water features not because of the trackless system. Shame that the US first trackless disney ride will be nothing like mystic manor or poohs hunny hunt.

    Never understood folks lashing out at miceage being inaccurate or negative. Are you a tied up hostage being forced to view micechat.com? This is the internet, freedom of expression. Feel free not to visit if you’re offended.

  • Swisskapolka

    Thanks for the update. I always try to put a positive spin on whatever I read here and generally things turn out OK.

    I am sad that Luigi’s is leaving. I was just a few years too late to ride the Flying Saucers, but my dad rode them his first time in Disneyland and speaks of them fondly. I’m disappointed that I was unable to get him to Disneyland in time to ride Luigi’s. My family — especially my husband — has always enjoyed the ride and looked forward to riding it each time we were in the park. My husband travelled to L.A. this week for work and is literally in the park tonight in order to get in one last ride with our daughter who lives in the area. They aren’t perfect, but they are fun and like I said, I’m said that they need to go. I look forward to seeing if the replacement can live up to the Flying Tires’ fun and creative feel.

    Although it wasn’t really mentioned in this update, I am super excited for the new parade and the upgrades to the Fantasyland dark rides and look forward to visiting later this year!

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