Why can’t ASIMO who prowls the halls of Innovention at Disneyland walk on stage and hand Granny a drink? We play our cards right and we can earn a few extra shekels for the realm. That's genius! But I wondering: why is there nowhere a mention of Space Mountain which is in dire need of some TLC (preferably the replacing track one)?
Originally Posted by WorldLover71 Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like Fantasmic! doesn't it? Yeah, plus it would make Fantasyland the center of attention here!
Anyway, in regards of Mickey, I've been resigned to Mickey's Toontown Fair's succumbing to the Fantasyland expansion. Everyone keeps insisting that, as per the Imagineers' say-so, Mickey and the gang actually live in Disneyland (hence that park's Toontown), while Toontown Fair was merely their vacation/country homes, and that a Toontown at WDW would fit best at the Studios. I really didn't want to leave the Magic Kingdom out in the cold, Town Square Theater (the new meet-n-greet for Mickey, located on Main Street) notwithstanding. I've been grappling with trying to fix the problem of the old classic shorts of the 1930s not having a presence here, because I really don't think the shorts are too simple, too folksy for a park like the Studios. Another attempt at a Kingdom Toontown has apparently not amounted to much, either.
Then I finally discovered, almost by accident, another in a long line of abandoned concepts for Disneyland attractions. It's called "Mickey's Mad House", and it would have been part of the abandoned Dumbo's Circusland back in 1976. According to Davelandblog: "Dumbo's Circusland [was to feature] 'Mickey's Madhouse'—essentially a wild mouse roller coaster in a dark ride environment, set in the world of early black-and-white Mickey Mouse cartoons (think of the former Mulholland Madness at Disney California Adventure, but indoors, with no clear view of where the track ahead was going)." Wikipedia simply says, "A funhouse adventure featuring clowns and such." But of course, Dumbo's Circusland never came to be, thanks to it being part of Discovery Bay, based on "The Island At the Top of the World", a movie which just plain flopped at the box office.
But now, Storybook Circus is being added as part of WDW's Magic Kingdom (in the spot that used to be Mickey's Toontown Fair), which may be as close a thing to Dumbo's Circusland as we're going to get. Anyway, I think to compensate for the loss of Toontown Fair, I would add a ride like Mickey's Mad House (but not exactly the same ride), to Storybook Circus.
What do you think?
An E Ticket where the villains conspire to take over the MK from Mickey Mouse and the Fab Five! At the end of the attraction, Mickey foils their plans and escapes right into the heart of Fantasyland! I've always loved this idea.
Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like Fantasmic! doesn't it?
I'm not sure WRE would have to be shoehorned in. There's so much empty land over there. I certainly don't think that the original concept would survive, but using elements of Marc Davis show would certainly be appreciated, especially since WDI has gotten away from environmental attractions like Pirates or the mansion in recent years. I guess what it is for me is seeing if they could still pull something like that off- an environmental show featuring AA, music and some fun thrills all themed around a western motif. Yeah, sure there's Thunder Mountain for the roller coaster, and Splash Mountain for the flume ride, but let's see if they've still got the magic in them to do an epic, unfranchised attraction with all the bells and whistles.
Bring back the Skyway!..
Originally Posted by MikeT1975 Am I the only person who does not want to see Western River Expedition shoe-horned into one of these parks? It seems as if ideas from WRE were integrated into so many other attractions, a full-blown WRE might seem redundant. It certainly wouldn't be the original Marc Davis concept, which was a log flume ride, a walking trail and a runaway mine train coaster. All of that stuff already appears in that location of the MK. For me, Frontierland might be the most complete of the lands in MK. (With the exception of the mechanical issues on Splash Mountain and a lack of a dynamic Country Bears stage show.) No, you're not the only one against having Western River. It would have been a nice concept to have back in the day, to be sure, but I really don't think it's physically possible to include the ride in the park now. Maybe in a fifth park somewhere down the line, but not at the Magic Kingdom now.
Am I the only person who does not want to see Western River Expedition shoe-horned into one of these parks? It seems as if ideas from WRE were integrated into so many other attractions, a full-blown WRE might seem redundant. It certainly wouldn't be the original Marc Davis concept, which was a log flume ride, a walking trail and a runaway mine train coaster. All of that stuff already appears in that location of the MK. For me, Frontierland might be the most complete of the lands in MK. (With the exception of the mechanical issues on Splash Mountain and a lack of a dynamic Country Bears stage show.)
Thinking about it, I agree with spajadigit: Adventureland does not live up to its theme without an "adventurous" attraction. This area needs an "E" ticket, bad. Perhaps the Priates ride being designed for Shanghai? Though none of us know anything of it, it does sound like they are developing something more "adventurous" for the Shanghai Pirates concept than the MK existing dark ride. It might be a fun mini-land ala Harry Potter that would really play up the Pirates/Princess marketing - especially since the park has a respectable Princess presence already.
The only other idea I had after my original post was Villain Mountain. I love this idea! The villains don't really have their own presence in the park, except for one here or there in the attractions. An E Ticket where the villains conspire to take over the MK from Mickey Mouse and the Fab Five! At the end of the attraction, Mickey foils their plans and escapes right into the heart of Fantasyland! I've always loved this idea.
Originally Posted by crlachepinochet If this were a Disneyland column, I would totally get the gripes about how Tomorrowland has gotten away from its ideals and everything, but it's different in WDW. I'd argue that Future World has usurped the role of Tomorrowland, leaving the actual Tomorrowland free to become the Sci-Fi Fantasyland. Future World is pretty much a bigger and better version of everything Tomorrowland always wanted to be. There is indeed a Disneyland version of this entry: http://micechat.com/blogs/samland/33...isneyland.html. Go take a look.
Anyway, I have tons of ideas for improving WDW's Magic Kingdom. For one thing, the Carousel of Progress would be updated big time! It too will be updated to consistently go every 40 years, but in my case, it will continue with the 1900s as usual, then jump to the 1940s, then the 1980s and then to the 2020s. For the sake of history, the song "There's a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow" will be retained. I actually did mull over whether to include that song or the other song ("The Best Time of Your Life") until I saw this article on the show at Widen Your World (Widen Your World - Carousel of Progress), after which I decided on "Tomorrow".
I have many other ideas, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.
A very hearty second for the idea of giving Alice Davis a window - the one next to Marc's is available! How do we get some attention paid to make this happen while she is still with us? Unfortunately it's too late for Buzz to see the appreciation he deserved now - although he still should get that window as well.
If this were a Disneyland column, I would totally get the gripes about how Tomorrowland has gotten away from its ideals and everything, but it's different in WDW. I'd argue that Future World has usurped the role of Tomorrowland, leaving the actual Tomorrowland free to become the Sci-Fi Fantasyland. Future World is pretty much a bigger and better version of everything Tomorrowland always wanted to be.
The park obeyed one of your commands last month. While I was there in late January (light crowds, great weather), I noticed something I had not seen for years. Both the double decker bus and the taxi were running up and down Main Street!
Oh Great exalted leader, they have listened! (at least a little bit)
I think I agreed with almost all of your fixes (I didn't so much mind the Under New Management show, but that's just me). Other than Len and Bob needing to learn how to use apostrophes, your article was spot on!
I'd also put a budget in place to keep the maintenance up to previous Disney standards, with a surplus of parts to instantly fix broken AA and replace burned out bulbs.
Yeah, Western River Expedition. Bring it.
Seriously, if I were King here, the first thing I would do is add more rides, period. Being from California, one of the things that annoyed me the most about WDW in general was how few rides each park had, despite the disproportionate size of the place. I recently worked it out, and excluding shows (which aren't my cuppa-T) the DLR has more attractions than WDW, despite having twice as many parks.
Main Street definitely needs more Gurr-mobiles. And having the movies back in the theater would be nice too, although I really do like MK's Main Street as it is.
Adventureland needs a E-ticket attraction, like Indiana Jones (though it doesn't have to be Jones). Although, a roller coaster dark ride combo like the Mummy ride wouldn't be a bad thing- it could even incorporate the everything but the kitchen sink idea from the original Indy attraction by melding the roller coaster hybrid with the Jungle Cruise and the train. There's enough space behind Pirates to do it up. I would also get rid of the Aladdin spinners, I think it's terrible that MK will have a total of four similar rides in one park once the duelin' Dumbos gets done.
Frontierland? Yeah. Western River Expedition. Incorporate it into Big Thunder. Yeah. That would be best. Make Splash Mountain work. Consistently.
I'd also bridge Frontierland into Tom Sawyers Island somehow. It's always kind of annoyed me that there's a dead end in both Frontierland *and* Liberty Square, and the walk from one to the other is difficult to negotiate via the parade route... During the parade. What might be nice is in Frontierland some kind of passage under the river, like a cave for river smugglers. And on the other side, something akin to a wine cellar in the mansion that has a broken wall with a passage behind it to get to the island. And one of the walls in that cellar could pay an homage to Cask of Amontillado with someone asking for help to get out...
Liberty Square? I too would like to see it return to it's roots. The update to Hall of Presidents would be awesome, but I do like the existing show.
Frontierland has needed an upgrade for years now and I'm glad to see they are trying to make it timeless. Here's hoping.
Finally, Tomorrowland. It's gotten so far away from the future it's almost in the past. I would update Space Mountain to have more of the anime quality it's California and Japanese cousin have adopted. The place still feels 2001-ish on the inside instead of 21 century. The model of the city should totally be restored and upgraded- There's this amazing model of Shanghai in the preshow area of the Shanghai World Financial Center that cycles through 24 hours in fifteen minutes while you're waiting to ride to the top. If they can do it that spectacularly (there's fireworks, a sun/moon rise, accurate scale lighting, cars trucks, buses and trains... Wow) then certainly Disney could. And having the night to day effect as your Peoplemover passes by? That would be cool.
I love the Stormrider attraction, that would be an amazing addition (and it's in the future!) but I would also love to add an undersea simulator there, too. One that has a gigantic elevator that takes you down to the sea floor/boarding area and throws you around underwater. Anything to add another E-ticket there as well. I'd rip out the Laugh Floor, Stitch and the Autopia just to make room for more excitement. I'd also change the theming so it didn't feel so cheap. I kind of liked it when it first was built, then over the years it hasn't fared so well.
I would love to see a modern-day throwback to Mission to Mars
I kind of assumed that's what Mission: Space was.
I'm a Disneyland man myself (grew up in So.Cal.)... I've only been to the Magic Kingdom a couple of times so I have little to add... except:
Put a crowbar in your wallet and finally build the Western River Expedition! You've made enough off the merchandise from Pirates to fund the entire project. Hell, it's already designed. Build something in Florida that California will be envious of!
I LOVE the Carousel of Progress... I loved it when it was in California and when I worked for the mouse, I took an extra long lunch one day on a business trip so that I could travel to the Magic Kingdom and only ride it once... Here's my idea: Start at 1920 and instead of jumping 20 years each turn, jump 40. You already have 1920 and 1960 (World's Fair version?)... Then create 2000 when the internet started to take off and DVR's were starting and Cel phones were becoming more popular... Then jump to 2040 for the finale... THAT's where you start using your Innoventions ideas to project where we could be... and don't make it all about Electricity, make it about all the different technologies & fuels: gas, gasoline, solar...
Good luck & have fun!
Fun article, Sam. Interesting how much mention the lack of neck-connect on that one Dad figure in CoP has been getting various presses lately. It's been that way for so many years - wonder what can be done?
Thanks for the article! I agree with so many of your comments. My two cents:
* With today's technology, the Tiki Room could feature a more dynamic show with multiple forms of the show being available at different times of the day. "The Tiki Room performs the Classic show at 12pm, followed by Jose's Salsa Sensation at 1pm..."-kinda stuff. Would it be too fantastical to wish for a Jimmy Buffett-only Tiki Room performance? These kinds of shows can be changed out and updated frequently to keep the show fresh and excting time and again using the same characters but just virtually reprogrammed by WDI and inserted whenever they want to roll out new shows.
* I love the Carousel. But it needs to vacate Tomorrowland. I say work it into the cost of updating EPCOT and move it to the Wonders of Life pavilion location. It fits better thematically in EPCOT than it does in Tomorrowland, anyway. The entire pavillion can be an ode to the past's dreams of the future and what could have been (flying cars, Jules Verne, kind of stuff). Its a cheap plus to EPCOT and maintains Walt's original attraction.
* I used to love the Autopia, but the last time I went on it, my wife - who's first trip to MK it was - asked me facetiously if it was a traffic-simulator ride. The lines are long and the thrills the attraction used to give people are just not there anymore. It is a large piece of land that does not themeatically fit in Tomorrowland or Fantasyland. Unless... A total re-do of the attraction, some indoors and some outdoors, using the Winnie the Pooh in Japan technology of an LPS system to direct the cars onto different paths. I would retheme it to Mr. Toad, bringing back a Mr. Toad attraction to the MK!
* With a move of the CoP to EPCOT, removal of Monsters Inc and Stitch, enough land can be cleared in Tomorrowland for some genuinely new and exciting E and D ticket attractions. A TRON light cycle ride is the first thing that comes to mind, though there's no reason why an original non-IP idea ala Space Mountain or Big Thunder couldn't be installed here. I would love to see a modern-day throwback to Mission to Mars or Adventures in Innerspace! The ideas are boundless!
* One more totally blue-sky change: an expansion to Pirates. Nothing sacreligious, just a HUGE plussing project. I recently visited DLR for the first time and PotC in DLR blows the East coast away. I would love to see a truly swashbuckling Pirates ride for the MK.
Looking forward to your articles on EPCOT, AK and DHS!
Fun article, Sam! Here's my take: I have two major gripes about the Magic Kingdom; placement of Splash Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain, and stroller parking.
Having gown up with DLR in my back yard, placement of these attractions at MK is just WRONG. They should be switched, and SM should be placed much farther to the north. At present, they are too close together, making the sight lines across the river convoluted.
Next up, I HATE the endless sea of stroller parking at MK. So much that I have ditched Disney for a second day and driven to Busch Gardens. Disney needs to find a way to get these parking lots off the main walkways and out of sight. Not sure how they could best do this, but it must be done!
Originally Posted by Freddie Freelance My idea for Goofy's ToonTown Tours is a Grey Line-style "Tour of the Stars Homes" via miniature PeopleMover, with the cars being SkyWay bucket-shaped spinning cars that seat 4. The track would travel at a height of 18-20 feet along the southern edge of ToonTown from the current location of the Chip & Dale Treehouse, traveling in front of the Go Coaster, between the Go Coaster & Donald's Boats, between the boat lagoon and the berm, over the entrance to ToonTown, around Roger Rabbit's fountain, and into a tunnel entrance reminiscent of the one Eddie Valiant travelled through to enter ToonTown in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? , traveling through a combination of flat scenery, small animatronics & video projection screens of an ever changing crew of toons from the movie and Disney cartoons from the past 90 years, then out from behind the scenes, over Minnie & Mickey's houses, and back to the station. As you travel around ToonTown Goofy acts as your tourguide, pointing out highlights of the town, where the stars live, and often getting his facts wrong. And I did mention the cars spin, right? Small, cylindrical cars that fit 4 or 5, with a wheel in the center to spin the car; and the more & faster you spin, the dizzier your tourguide Goofy gets, getting more flustered and confused until he baerly knows up from down, left from right. I've been having some concerns about your idea for Goofy's Toontown Tours. It may become an eyesore for the land, as well as ruin the perspective of the land, especially as when you go over Mickey and Minnie's houses. How can we do the ride like that so it make the area an eyesore?
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