I thought that "The Three Caballeros" was a success at the box office, but it was off-putting for its wild scenery, which was certainly un-Disneylike for its time (the Pink Elephants scene in "Dumbo" notwithstanding).
I don't know...a cartoon character that represents another country...hard for that not to end badly.
Worthy of a five legged goat! Thanks
...Wh-What?? There was almost a fourth Caballero? And one that would have represented a country that today we can't even visit?
Also, that is one heck of a cigar.
The voice for Prudence Pock was provided by cast-member Shiela Ward... She is a former permanent cast-member at the Adventurer's Club where she usually played Samantha Sterling (among others).
At Christmas, I had the chance to go to Disneyland for the first time in about 20 years -- and I was appalled by Nemo and Friends in what used to be 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, to have these cartoon fish in that underwater ride. I really, really missed the old 20,000 Leagues animatronics...and I am still wondering how long it's going to take for them to ruin Jungle Cruise by adding the cartoon animals from Lion King to that.
I live in Chicago and I like going to the Shedd Aquarium here. One of the things that's like fingernails on a chalkboard is hearing all the little kids scream "Nemo! Nemo! NEMOE!" at all the fish in the coral reef habitats.
I can't remember anything from my own childhood in the 80s and 90s that was that annoying. So, if I ever got to Epcot, I'd probably skip this attraction because I wouldn't want to hear even more NEMO! screaming than I hear as it is here at home.
Although the technology used for projecting Nemo is cool, chalk me up as another one of the original Living Seas proponents. I'm somewhat sad at what has become of the pavilion. Even now, the attraction feels dirty and dank still, even after the refresh - in need of a good cleaning. The tank has a fraction of the life that used to be in it, with large sections barred off and barren. This was a marquee attraction, and I feel it is now a shell of what it used to be.
There was a magic to the anticipation of going to SeaBase Alpha, however cheesy it was. The ending of the pre-shows, meshing film with in-theatre lighting, sound & finally water effects in the Hydrolator embarkation room, along with Hope's iconic "We welcome you to SeaBase Alpha" was a really well-done way to bring you from one world into a totally different environment, and then there was an excitement in the air with a lot of activity once you got to SeaBase. For those who like the environmental science that they show currently, they used to do much more. I hope another sponsor picks it up and they refurb it properly for one of the future anniversaries...even better if they go back to the height of what it was. The hydrolators broke constantly towards the end of their tenure, hence them becoming optional, and then finally pulled. I always thought they were a great piece of storytelling. And yes, danyoung, I remember Orson well, as well as Orson Jr. He always made an appearance when I had dinner at Coral Reef. I always wondered if he ended up a special...
Riding the Seacabs was one of the coolest things ever. It was really a great idea. Now, unless my kids are with me, we don't go near the Seas with Nemo.
Thanks for all the great comments, folks! Much appreciated!
Like most of you, I definitely loved the original version over the Nemo-ized one of today. While I understand the need to make the pavilion more accessible to kids today, it's such a shame to see such a richly themed, original attraction branded with something that just SCREAMS "Disney" at you.
I certainly miss the hydrolators, and the sea cab ride in the big glass tunnel, with sea life all around you.
I AM happy, though, that the main focus of the pavilion is still in place. The cast members working there still educators in the marine biology field, for the most part, and it's great to see them keep the message of the original "Living Seas" alive!
I was never a big fan of the old version, but the new version isn't a must see for me either. While the Nemo ride is amazing from a technical aspect, it's just, well, kinda boring. Perhaps little kids enjoy it though. Turtle talk is amazing and entertaining. If you look at the Nemo ride in Disneyland Paris you'll see what WDW should have installed IMO.
I always loved the original version of the pavilion and as it stands now...if you're a first time guest, and you get off of the nemo ride, you're probably wondering about the whole rest of the aquarium, it doesn't really fit into the general context of Nemo.
IMO if they were creative enough with the existing space, they could have kept both the family-friendly Nemo ride and still had a separate Seabase Alpha theme. The opening "Deluge" movie is still one of the most brilliant and captivating pieces of 8 minute film I've ever seen.
I really enjoy these 626 columns Jeff. Thanks for writing them.
When my wife and I visited the "Nemo"-ized Living Seas in 2008 I was unsure what to expect, having enjoyed visits to the original incarnation in 1991 and 2001. I was pleasantly surprised that there was a significant emphasis on marine biology, ecology, and conservation. We saw some really fascinating behavioral research being done with the bottlenosed dolphins on pattern recognition and had an informative chat with one of the Living Sea interns about manatee conservation. This seems like one of the few remaining Epcot pavilions that is still focused on scientific research and exploration.
The Seas with Nemo & Friends is one of the worst things in Epcot, The Living Seas was spectacular.
I went to the Living Seas Pavillion's original opening and was very excited about what I saw and what was to come. Loved the film on the discovery of the Civil War Iron Clad ship. 25 years later, I understand the new resident Nemo the fish was named after a famouse Captain Nemo who used to have a presence there and his diving suit on display. Wouldn't it be great to take that Tom Scherman creation out of backstage mothballs and put it in a display case in the restaurant?
I feel lucky I was able to experience the original pavilion. I can greatly appreciate the effort that was made to add realism to the journey to the seabase. Unfortunately, one actually had to go through four presentations (intro film, preshow film, hydrolators, sea cabs) just to get into the main exhibit. I can see how over the years that Disney would want to try and streamline this for repeat guests.
I've always felt that the informative presentations and journey to seabase could all be distilled into a single omnimover show similar to the original plans for the pavilion. It's interesting that they actually attempted that. Unfortunately, what we ended up with is a rehash of the Finding Nemo story executed on the most basic level. Even the movie itself instilled a greater sense of awe and beauty for the oceans. Talk about an opportunity wasted.
It's also unfortunate is that the the Seabase Alpha concept has been extremely watered down during the addition of the Finding Nemo characters. They could have updated the futuristic sets and just added the Nemo cast to liven things up a bit.
I understand why they needed to make the changes they did. And I think the Nemo overlay works very well for what it is. But I'm right with everyone else in my love and nostalgia for the original attraction. We all knew the hydrolators weren't real, but the illusion was so well done that you totally bought into it. In fact, on one trip they had the exit hydrolator doors all open, so you could just walk out, and I HATED it. It completely blew the illusion (self imposed though it was) that we really were down deep in a research lab. And I even miss the movie - it set up the drama of the hydrolators and the descent into the lab. A very well done attraction that sadly fell into disrepair over the years.
I did the dive in the Seas twice a few years ago, and it was totally incredible to be on the other side of the glass! I've felt recently that the tank is not as good as it once was for two reasons - the water is much murkier than it used to be, and there used to be quite a lot more fish of all varieties. Anyone remember Orson, the 600 pound grouper? While I'm glad they sunk some money in and revitalized the place with Nemo, I still much prefer the original.
Well.... I personally feel both versions highlight different cool features, I like the original. I feel that the original Epcot embraced knowledge and learning. The new Epcot (and Disney in general) is about synergy and brand marketing. It doesn't matter if you learned anything about the sea. Just that they got a catchy tune playing and that people will ride it again. The ability to see the actual aquarium has all vanished and now you can barely see the fish at all. I think it's a mute point though as we will never see the old version again. Disney is not interested in moving backwards, so all we can hope for is a new version down the road.
For the record Hydrolators rule! And they do not move up or down. They just jiggle.
Compared to Finding Nemo Submarines at Disneyland, this version is rather uninteresting. I would prefer more of a live aquarium ride than a pale version of what they have running in California.
I have never been to any of them by from videos I would have to say .......THE LIVING SEAS
did the hydrolators move up and down at all?????????????????? Great 626!!!!!!!!
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