It's a Mary Sue? Oh LOL It explains so much now!!
I think I would present it to my child as a humorous work of fiction, not that any of the characters are worth emulating, but that they are just caricatures in some crazy lady's fantasy world.
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It's a Mary Sue? Oh LOL It explains so much now!!
I think I would present it to my child as a humorous work of fiction, not that any of the characters are worth emulating, but that they are just caricatures in some crazy lady's fantasy world.
But she does the weepy doe eyed look so well! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MissChristine
You also have to remember that young girl may have been emulating her older sibling. My 9 yr old loves Twilight but has never read the series. Why? Because her 13 yr old sister loves the series (and has read it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stitchy
HAHA! No comment. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by sir clinksalot
^This one. Sums it up completely. It's all about the child and their maturity level to handle something. Heck, I've seen 30 yr old adults that couldn't handle any kind of stress if they tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortune Cookie
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Originally Posted by Stitchy
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Originally Posted by Stitchy
Nope, but this is where teaching your child about what is real and what is fiction becomes important. We can't protect our children from the boogie man if we don't explain to them what the boogie man is and what steps to take to save themselves should they run into him.
I feel better knowing my daughter can kick the boogie man's butt if she's backed in to a corner, rather than letting the situation turn ugly because she wasn't prepared for the fight.
Ok so... what is a Mary Sue?? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by NeverNeverland
Hmmm... I think we may know some the same people!Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerInFL
My friend and I had this long conversation about how after the fourth book it was really clear. If you look at her descriptions for Bella and how author (Meyer) look. Once she became a vampire the descriptions match up. Pale, full lips, big eyes, etc. And if you look at her ideal cast when she was writing the books (before the movies) she said people like Emily Browning, who looks exactly like her. She wrote Edward for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverNeverland
Mary Sue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fortune Cookie
It's when the writer basically writes themselves into the book. So say you like tall, dark, and brooding men, you may (even by accident) write something where a version of you is the main character and just happens to fall in love with the main male lead. But it's you with no flaws.
Thank you! I had no idea what a Mary Sue was. :blush:Quote:
Originally Posted by knittingknerd
I would absolutely let a daughter, or son for that matter, read these books. Bella is a complete idiot throughout most of the books. Edward is a messed up and, at times, abusive guy. They are exaggerated caricatures of people. How many times do you see girls clinging to the guy that doesn't treat them the way they deserve to be treated? It happens all the time, especially with teenagers and all the drama they bring to the game. The book really exaggerates that and amplifies it to make it stand out. Hence all the Bella whining throughout the entire series. Hence her absolute stubborn refusal to use her head. Hence Edward's stubborn refusal to admit that someone might actually love him for who he is. (Despite this "glowing" review, I actually do like the books. Being the huge Dracula fan that I am, it was fun to see how well Stephanie Meyer was able to take the traditional vampiric lore and explain it, make it very plausible.) To get all Disney on you guys ;), Dory says it best: "Well, you can't never let anything happen to him. Then nothing would ever happen to him. Not much fun for little Harpo." This quote really drives the whole movie. It's about letting children grow up and experience the world, including the negative and bad things, with our guidance instead of our absolute protection. As a parent you want to protect your kids from every possible bad thing out there, but you can't do that without keeping them sealed in a vault. They're going to make bad decisions, but hopefully you've taught them well enough that they'll avoid most of those, and just like all of us, those bad decisions will help them grow and with the advice, help and love of their parents, they'll make it through and learn and turn out to be pretty darn ok people, just as we all did thanks to our parents.
This is what parents are for. Parents guide their children through decisions about life. They teach their children the difference between fiction and reality, right and wrong. They teach their children how to live a healthy life, and emulating Bella would definitely not be a healthy life. After "Where the Wild Things Are" came out, one girl went home and bit her Mom and tried to run away. The parents blamed the movie for this. Yet there are kids out there who play first person shooter videos games and don't go out and blow people away afterwards. The difference? Parenting. Kids of all ages will test the boundaries and try to flex their own decision making muscles. The job of a parent is to teach, show and help them to make responsible, good decisions. In the example of the movie, the parents blame the movie when it was the daughter's choice to do what she did (regardless of age). In the 2nd example, the parents make sure that the child knows the difference between a game and reality. As we grow we see and encounter all kinds of negative things in this world and our reactions to these things are largely determined by how we were raised, not just the things our parents taught us, but also the passive things we see them do and react to.Quote:
Originally Posted by winder*wonder
Great words there! Vapid is so perfect. She really did capture teenagers pretty perfectly. It's so funny looking back at my own life and wondering why I put myself through so much drama when life is so much easier and simpler than all that. It's funny to see kids now thinking the same way I did back then, convinced that no one could possibly understand what they are going through.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnygirl
She also must have watched the TV show Roswell -- it is exactly like Twilight but with aliens instead of vampires. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SCUBAbe
I didn't know what it was either; learn something new every day!Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnygirl
Interesting... Thanks! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by knittingknerd
Lurch! That's who Edward reminds me of.
Sorry, just had an epiphany.
Dude... Roswell that brings back college, the first time around. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by twinmom
Once again there's a reason why I'm Team Jacob. Although even in the last book Team Jacob got creepy (maybe Team Embry? Team Seth? Even though Seth is a kid. How about Team Leah, but not paired with Bella. Just "Leah Rox!").
Thanks for explaining what a Mary Sue is! I had no idea. Y'know she'd never actually been to Forks, WA when she wrote the books? Just picked it off of a map. Inspiring!
A weepy mouth-breathing doe that I'd like to sick Bambi's mom's killer on. Ooft! Too bad it couldn't have been Evan Rachel Wood in that role, she'd have brought some likability to the character. Looking forward to Dakota Fanning's interpretation of Jane, though!Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerInFL
Oh Roswell! That was my all-time favorite show as a freshman in high school. But Max wasn't abusive/controlling/a pedophile to Liz. Though he did cheat on her with Tess, and knocked up that home-wrecker royal alien. I miss those glowing hickeys!Quote:
Originally Posted by twinmom
And Jacob is too good for Bella, IMHO.
I never got through/past the third book...I'm glad I read the ending in this thread. I can't believe that's actually the characters end up! It seems to be the consensus that these books can be read by kidlets as long as they understand that it's fiction. There are certainly life lessons to be learned in the series...interesting that your abusive relationship bookmark should end up in that book, KnittingKnerd!! Makes you wonder what happened in Stephenie Meyer's life...
The brother of a friend of mine is engaged to the mom of the actor who played Max. :D
I didn't watch Roswell until just last year when a friend said it was like Twilight.
Aww Mama Behr is gettin' hitched! Awesome.
The actor who portrays him is not even that good looking...or maybe he's just not my type.