Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows- Book Discussion & MAJOR spoilers-Enter at UR Risk

[Nephythys]

Edited as a place holder-looks like the Epilogue was a really good fake. The page #'s are off. DH has 784 pages- the epilogue ends on something like 737, almost 50 pages short. (how someone faking it would miss that is beyond me)

So I am holding off until Saturday. ToF-you got the "book" off the web, right? What say you on the page #'s???

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Ok- so the leak is out and while I have no plans to go download the whole book I did read the epilogue.

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I was right! I was right! I was right

Ok- phew.....got that out of my system.

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I WAS RIGHT!!!!!

Ok....really done.

Ok- most of you won't join me here til Saturday (because I will be done by Saturday) but I gotta talk about what is already out there- so spoiled folks...come and play. the rest of you can join the fun on the weekend. (and if the spoiler photos turn out to be fake you can point and laugh at the rest of us...ok?)

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The people I care about MOST are alive at the end of the book. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny. Neville, Hagrid! Yip yip yahoo! Of course some characters are not even mentioned in the epilogue chapter....so their fates are still up in the air.

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...and looks like Snape is good. Yes Snape lovers rejoice because it sure looks like Dumbledore was right about Snape- thank goodness. If he had been wrong it would have ruined Dumbledore's reputation.

Even Percy survives- which may tick me off if anything happens to Fred or George.

It's a happy ending..which I wanted more than anything. I could not bear it if it had been otherwise.

Anyone else want to dissect what we know now and parse the bulk this weekend?

[Twist_of_Fate]

I'll join you, Neph!

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I really, REALLY like the epilogue. I think it's awesome that Neville joins up as the new Herbology teacher at Hogwarts, especially because that shows that Hogwarts reopens at some point in time, if not during the entire book. Also, I'm pleased that (at least how I read it) the trio survives because initial spoilers suggested that Hermione would die. It makes me happy to know that Ginny and Harry can end up happy together in the long run. Although it may be a surprise to say this, but I'm glad to see Draco still around because that hints at redemption! Frankly, while there may be no more Potter books, I could see books about the children.

I don't know if you read the table of contents yet or not, but it's very exciting. Two chapters specifically have my interest. Also, I read the first chapter of the book before I deleted the rest of it (at the urging of my girlfriend), and I'm even more excited.

I don't think the spoiled photos are fake because they are very clearly out of a physical book. Even the fake fanfiction that was being passed off as the book a while ago can't claim this. That, and we know that there are hard copies of the book floating around anyways.

[Nephythys]

Ok ToF- major major spoiler and discussion points-

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Harry doesn’t die

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Snape dies on page 658, his last words are “Look…at…me…” (I wonder why)

Dobby dies on page 476, his last words are “Harry…Potter…” (bummer)

Moody dies sometime before page 78, you hear of his death from Bill and Fleur (another bummer- but he was old and had been through alot)

Collin Creevy dies sometime before page 694, Harry finds Neville is carrying his dead body (AUGH!!!! He's just a kid!!)

The sorting hat dies on page 732, Voldemort lights it on fire (huh? Do they make another one- because it is mentioned in the epilogue)

Fred dies (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)

Tonks dies (well crap )

Lupin dies (Crap again!!)

Neville kills Nagini (woot Neville!)

Snape was Dumbledore’s spy all along. Dumbledore plotted his own death so that the power of the Elder Wand would die with him rather than be transferred to his victor. He failed though and the power is transferred to Draco, then to Harry (of course). (gonna be interesting to see how this is detailed- though I am not surprised)

Voldemort dies on page 744 (no loss there)

Harry’s scar goes away (cool- I wonder why)

Harry Marries Ginny and has three kids named Lily, Albus Sirius, and James (according to the photos it is Albus Severus- I wonder which is right- I think the photos are legit- so why the wrong name?)

Ron Marries Hermione and has two kids, Hugo and Rose (yip yip-my daughter Rose will love that)

Neville becomes professor of Herbology (Woot Neville again)

Malfoy gets married and has a son named Scorpius (JK has been watching too much Farscape)

That was all posted by someone who claims to have read the leaked book so I can't validate the accuracy- (bolded comments mine)

[Nephythys]

While I have not posted to the links (nor the photos) I will say that neither link I used before work now-I wonder if some cease and desist orders went out.

(MC- all I have posted are comments from other sites- no link to copyrighted material is in this thread)

[Twist_of_Fate]

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I've seen pictures that support Dobby's death and how it plays out. I know there's a death in the first chapter and who it is and who did it. I know the way the first chapter is presented. I'm glad that Harry doesn't die and that based on what I've read, he isn't a horcrux.

I am curious about who Snape says that to. Perhaps Voldemort for discovering his treachery?

Dobby does indeed die and although I don't know specifics, it involves some sort of mortal wound.

Not sure why Moody had to die, but meh.

I'm curious about how poor little Colin Creevey gets caught up in enough of a mess to get killed.

As for the sorting hat, I guess they would have to make a new one. That page sounds like it could be around the chapter of the book titled something like "The Battle of/for Hogwarts." I'm curious why Voldy would do such a thing.

Fred dying sounds sad because I absolutely love the twins.

Since I read the first chapter, I knew that the death of Tonks and Lupin came up. I will happily post specific details about the first chapter since that's what I read, if you wish, Neph.

Neville killing Nagini sounds cool, especially because Nagini seems to be written as a lot more of a worthy opponent (basically, she sounds very, VERY large).

I knew about Snape being good and Dumbledore plotting his own death, but I don't know what this Elder Wand nonsense is. I suppose we will find out soon. I don't understand the transfer to his victor. Was it something he won from Grindelwald? If so, why does Malfoy get it? If Malfoy does get it, it seems like he in fact has to fight Harry at some point, although Harry doesn't kill him obviously.

I'm VERY curious at how Voldy dies. I still really want him to be run through with Gryffindor's sword because it'd be all ironic and poetic and such (the basilisk died that way, Voldy wanted something of Gryffindor as a horcrux, etc). A theory of his death that I've heard of is that Harry defeats him with the power of love. If that is in fact true, I will be blaring that Huey Lewis song all over town, especially when I leave Wal-Mart after getting my book!

As for Harry's scar going away, I don't think this is true because it is mentioned in the epilogue. While it's not the last word of the book, it's in the last sentence. It mentions how it hasn't hurt in 19 years or something like that.

I knew about the Harry/Ginny ship and children because the epilogue is Harry/Ginny escorting them to the Hogwarts Express and meeting Ron/Hermione and Malfoy's family. I am pretty sure the photos are write because that's concrete proof in my mind (it would take a lot to fake them properly). If that is indeed true then it is very clear that Snape does something VERY VERY important to redeem himself in Harry's eyes (Harry has ALWAYS hated Snape).

I knew about Neville, although unconfirmed spoilers say that it is due to the NATURAL death of Sprout.

I think the Malfoy thing is pretty interesting just because I find it intriguing that he escapes death in the war. I don't know about HIS parents.

I'm sure the publishers are trying to do their darndest to get it all down, but once it got to the torrent sites, where I got mine, there's no stopping it now. It's even worse than was feared though because yesterday and the days before that, only chunks were available and now the whole thing is out.

I have a feeling we are going to be the only ones on here for a while, Neph:-D

[Deanna]

I'd love to play, but I promised my son I wouldn't read the last two chapters until we get there. I read enough of the excerpts (before realizing what they were, and asking him if I should keep reading) to know that I'm on the right track, and that'll have to be good enough for me. *Sigh*

Have fun, it'll be weeks before we're done, I'll be reading out loud. I think I'm going to have him read some out loud too, I don't think he has since book 5.

And in case you don't see it in the other thread, Scholastic was served a subpoena over the images originally posted on Photobucket.com. Link in the other thread, page 18.

[Twist_of_Fate]

I guess I don't feel bad about the spoilers in the long run because if I did feel bad about knowing about this stuff before hand, then it would be impossible to go out because of the amount of hype behind this book. There are people who WILL go out of their ways to ruin the book for others, and I don't exactly feel like living like a hermit until I finish the book, so knowing about the major stuff ahead of time saves me and my sanity.

I respect others not wanting to know though. I just had the big surprise ruined for me last time and I figure I can stop that from happening again. That, and there's still TONS of mystery left in the means instead of the ends. Knowing the ends only makes me more curious about the means.

[Nephythys]

Edited- same reason

I don't want to spread incorrect info- yesterday this looked very official- today less so.

[Nephythys]

Is it Saturday yet?

[Twist_of_Fate]

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I don't know a whole lot about the stuff further into the book, I just know that Tonks and Lupin are revealed as having gotten married and are targeted for death in the first chapter. I know why as well, but I don't know what info you are looking for exactly. I was wondering the same thing about the child. Although you're right about the cousin mention.

[Nephythys]

*note- someone suggested moving this to a Litter Box- please do NOT. Many people choose to not go into the Litter Box and some, like me, can't- because we asked for those forums to be blocked so we are not tempted by the battles within- if you take this thread you will deny people the choice to read it and participate in it.

People can be grown ups and choose to read it or not. That seems very reasonable.

Cheers!

[SummerInFL]

OMG Now I'm really excited to find out what happened. I would really love to read those scans, I don't mind knowing what happens, the books are still awesome.

In regards to spoiling it, people are jerks sometimes. At the last HP party we went to at Barnes N Noble some idiot drove by the line shouting, "Dumbledore dies!!" over and over and completely tee'd everyone off.

OH I'm so excited!!! We are going to the party Friday night, I just called and put in a reserve for 1 of the books. My kids are psyched, I had to laugh though, my oldest goes, "Mom, do we have to stand in line for 3 hours again?" I went, "No, I planned ahead this time."

[Sadako]

I'm on page 200 myself...

If it's a fake, it's a really good fake... and why someone would go through all the trouble of creating such an elaborate hoax is beyond me...

Hopefully I'll be done in a few hours...

[Twist_of_Fate]

From what the Epilogue reads as (I am stubborn and am more than ready to accept what's been leaked via PHOTOGRAPHS as real), some of the plot points you discuss are flat out confirmed. Others are a bit of stretch, but there are a couple of reasonable assumptions we can draw from what I know of the first chapter and what we've read of the Epilogue.

Like I said in the other thread, sure, maybe someone would forge or fake the epilogue, but they wouldn't do it for all nearly 800 pages in the book. I am tending to believe the photographic proof. Guess we'll find out soon! (The epilogue is actually the first thing I'm flipping to...=D)

[Deanna]

Edited as a place holder-looks like the Epilogue was a really good fake. The page #'s are off. DH has 784 pages- the epilogue ends on something like 737, almost 50 pages short. (how someone faking it would miss that is beyond me)

The pictures I have are of the table of contents, and excerpts from the epilogue. According to the table of contents, Epilogue starts on page 753. The page number at the bottom of the first excerpt is... 753. Which makes the final chapter about 30 pages long, completely within her normal range. (we had a list of page totals per chapter for the last book and a half, so I would be able to know if we were behind or if our next reading would be quick...)