'LOST' 5 - spoilers ahead, again

[TheDisneyInquisitor]

Oh man, that was a great episode.

Spoiler

Ben set the whole thing up as a suicide.

Loved Locke's conversation with newSurvivor whatshisname. "The timing would just confuse you."

But the best moment of all was Locke realizing that everyone came back (and brought him)... and seeing Ben lie hurt on the ground. "He's the man that killed me." Looks like Ben has some 'splaining to do.

Next week's episode looks like its gonna be great. Now that we've got through all the semantics of everyone returning to the island... it'll be one great ride. I can't wait to see what happens. And lucky for us... we got an all new set of extras thanks to the Ajira crash (or as we all like to call them... easy-killings).

As always, a round of applause to the entire cast and crew for a great episode!!!

[AliKzam]

Happy LOSTDay!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler

That was a crazy weird opening. I am confused very much. But at least we know now that the plane did indeed crash. But what did he mean by those that disappeared? Did they see Jack Kate & Hurley disappear?

How long has John been out of the loop. Did the captain & some girl really take the third canoe or was that team Sawyer?

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So if Widmore is telling the truth (which we'll never know), he was the others' leader and led peacefully. Then he was exiled? But is he really being truthful?

I agree that the plane crashed, but I would also say it was more of a hard landing. Flight 316 was certainly better off than 815 (in one piece and everyone survived) even though it didn't have a smooth runway to land on. I would go as far as saying that Frank Lapidus and Greg Grunberg's pilot was our first example of course-correction. Clearly Frank really was meant to fly 815, but he didn't. However, 815 still made it to the island, albeit with slightly different results.

If there were three canoes originally, then it is entirely possible that Frank and another took one of them out. When Sawyer et al arrived, there were only two canoes, and the camp was desserted (duh-duh-duh!)

I feel so bad for John. When everyone's trying to kill you and help you, who do you trust. John been pushed around his entire life, even when he felt as though he was in control. Maybe we will find out more about Charles Widmore's past, but I have to ask: is it really better to know, or is it more interesting not knowing? That death scene was really disturbing. Something clicked inside of Ben the moment John mentioned Mrs. Hawking. Not that the story will tell us everything, but when did John find out about her. Also, why did it freak Ben out so much that John knew of her? I honestly believe that Ben was going to "help" (i.e. stall) John right up until that moment.

And by the way, how cool is it that John came back to life? Or at least in that maybe state.

Hey... maybe... that's the state that Richard's in? That would explain why he never ages.

[AliKzam]

Jeff Jensen didn't post his Lost recap until today. I tried staying up past midnight (PST) last night but couldn't do it. So here it is, and a pretty good one, too!

'Lost' recap: It's about the journey | Lost | 1 | TV Recaps | Totally 'Lost' | EW.com

Megabucks Chuck identified himself as the hotheaded, Latin-spouting, neck-breaking 17-year-old (!) proto-Other jerk whom Locke encountered and grinned at during L'Affaire de Jughead in September of 1954. He claimed that he went on to become the leader of Richard Alpert's band of arrow-shooting, clothes-swiping merry men and women. He said that their sacred trust was to protect the Island, like some super-squadron of Grail-guarding knights templar. And he alleged that his 30-plus years on the lsland came to an end when Young Turk Ben pulled a Jacob on his Esau and tricked him into leaving his peeps and his promised land, thus swiping his birthright. If all these statements are true, we now know something of the meaning behind Widmore's cryptic comment to Ben back in ''The Shape of Things To Come:'' ''Everything you have you took from me.'' BURNING QUESTION: What motivated Ben's coup?

[AliKzam]

Kristin Dos Santos posted her Lost Redux.

Lost Redux: Casualties of the War - E! Online

The New Kids: Did Caesar (Saïd Taghmaoui) and Ilana (Zuleikha Robinson) know each other from before? Or are they merely an odd couple thrown together by circumstance (a late-model Jate or Eko-Lucia)? At this point, especially with Caesar's nosing around through the Dharma documents, I truly hope at least one of the pair is a spy, because speaking just for myself, I don't have any room left in my cold dead heart for hapless castaways. We've all experienced the "baffled innocents in the wilderness" arc twice now, first through the Losties and then with the tailies' other 48 days, and it's simply too grueling an experience to suffer through again without the promise of added value. As such, I'm clinging to Walt's dreams and his report that the 316ers "wanted to hurt you, John." That sounds promising, as far as mythological significance goes...

[AliKzam]

From Doc Arzt's Lost Blog, here are some pictures of what Caesar was looking at in the folder from the Hydra station.

Lost 5.07 - Screencaps of the Hydra Folder - DocArzt’s LOST Blog

[Twist_of_Fate]

I am almost certain the island that the Ajira people from last night are on is not the island proper. Thus, the discussion of where the other canoe is doesn't quite matter because we're talking about two different beaches, as far as I can tell.

[AliKzam]

That's a good point, Twist_of_Fate. I wonder if two or three more of them (including Caesar with his sawed-off rifle) take a canoe to the island to find Lapidus and the other woman. When they get back to the beach, the islanders have taken their canoe, so they all go after then in the other on, and Caesar takes shots at them?

[BK15]

Wow, that episode was awesome. Every episode I like ben more and more. I actually felt sorry for Locke, which is weird because normally I can't stand him.

[Datameister]

I haven't been participating in these discussions about this season, for some reason, but in a nutshell, I LOVE season 5 so far. Much better than season 4, as far as I'm concerned. Seeing where this show is going is a continually fascinating process, and I'm really gonna be sad when it ends next year. Hopefully, it'll be a satisfying conclusion to one of the most brilliant and amazing shows ever.

In other news, I'm putting together a PDF file containing brief descriptions of and sheet music for the major themes of the show. It's a work in progress, but here's a look at what I've got, as of a few hours ago. Let me know if you'd be interested in seeing more as I continue to work on it, and certainly let me know if you see any mistakes or ambiguities or anything!

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EDIT: And here's the completed (for now) version. DOWNLOAD

[sleepyjeff]

How does Sun "know" Ben killed Jin?

Only Locke would know this and Locke never talked to Sun.

I think this is VERY important.

1) Ben could have blown up the boat thru Micheal but did not......why? Ben was clearly very afraid of Keamy et al but he still let them come ashore even though he had a man on the boat who could have stopped them.

Must be a reason he did not want that boat blown up.....(yet?)

So we have two instances here; at one point in time, Ben did not want the boat to be eliminated......this was the point in time when the man who would eventually kill his daughter was on board.

Later, we have a point in time where Ben took actions that would see to it that the boat would blow up......but by this time the only people on the boat were innocent crew members(no mercs), and a few 815'ers.

He must have wanted to kill one of the 815'ers.

2) Right after Ben saved Locke from killing himself Ben is surprised(genuinely I think) by the news that Jin is still alive......not a minute later he kills Locke(I know, I know, he killed Locke because of Hawking.....but did he?)

3) Now we see Jin, dressed up in Dharma clothing, holding a gun on Hurley, Jack and Kate........if this means that they are all back in Dharma's hey day that means Jin very likely knows a young Ben Linus.

So the question remains......just who told Sun Ben killed her husband?

[AliKzam]

Interesting...

[AliKzam]

From Watch with Kristen's Spoilerchat.

Spoiler Chat: Are Dan and Serena Really Over? - E! Online

Spoiler

Marshall in New Hampshire: On Lost, any scoop on Sawyer in the 1970s?
I'm hearing that he and Jin will be in that fabulously groovy decade for three whole years and that...wait for it...Jin might speak far better English now! Hooray for more Daniel Dae Kim screen time and multisyllabic words!

(Sigh...) Why yes, it is a spoiler involving Daniel Dae Kim. I just love these new spoiler boxes.

[AliKzam]

Here we go.

'Lost': 'LaFleur' plan? | 1 | Doc Jensen on 'Lost' | TV | Totally 'Lost' | Entertainment Weekly

Warning: this one can be a little mind-numbing if you're sleepy. Also, the caption is one of Doc Jensen's theories; not actual storyline.

But here's the thing about New Locke: He has no soul. And herein lies the secret to the great saga of Lost. You see, John Locke's body, in any form, has NEVER had a soul. His life is the story of adulterated destiny — and radical course correction. Remember: Locke was born three months prematurely after a car struck his pregnant teenage mother. We never saw the driver. Locke grew up nagged by a feeling that he was meant for a different kind of life. And he was: We now know that the Island has been trying to bring him to its shores since he was a wee lad. My theory is this: Somebody went back in time to kill Locke's mom in order to prevent Locke's birth. It didn't work — but the would-be murderer (Ben? Widmore? Ms. Hawking?) did succeed in making a mess of Locke's predestined life. Locke's eternal soul was displaced from its body — and it went to the Island, where it's been waiting for reunification. And my guess is that this great, redemptive moment will occur...in the final five minutes of the last episode of Lost.

[sleepyjeff]

Warning: this one can be a little mind-numbing if you're sleepy.

Hey, I resemble that remark

[AliKzam]

Oops! No offense meant, sleepyjeff.