What DLP does best

[Japper]

Why don't we call this topic "What DLP does best, but what TDL does better" ... I don't think anyone can compliment their park without a reply from TDLfan that his park does it better anyway

(and I'm not only talking about this topic/this subforum)

[davewasbaloo]

Why don't we call this topic "What DLP does best, but what TDL does better" ... I don't think anyone can compliment their park without a reply from TDLfan that his park does it better anyway

(and I'm not only talking about this topic/this subforum)

He is entitled to his opinion, and therefore don't mind it. After all I love kicking the MK at every opportunity because it is so poor compared to the other parks.

[nathan detroit]

Why don't we call this topic "What DLP does best, but what TDL does better" ... I don't think anyone can compliment their park without a reply from TDLfan that his park does it better anyway

(and I'm not only talking about this topic/this subforum)

I knew that this thread would degenerate into just that when I started it despite my requests that it didn't.

However, for a 'tin-pot' park that is only just getting the attendance figures right, DLP doesn't do a bad job.

Is the problem not that Disney (and America in general) is frowned upon by much of Europe, whereas Western culture (and Disney in particular) is celebrated in Japan? Maybe not but I can't help feeling that if DLP had the attendances and support that TDL had, things would be very different.

[Malin]

Please, re-read what I said. Obviously you did not on your first try.. or you would have understood that...

No need I understood it the first time round. But sorry maybe I should of made it a bit clearer for you, TDR shows may have in your words elaborate budget, costuming, talented cast and razzle-dazzle that rival some shows out there in big city theaters, but that doesn't actually make the show actually any good. None of the costuming, talented cast or technical aspects would work unless it wasn't for the fact OLC throw huge amounts of money into the production. But personally I compare this to say the latest Hollywood blockbuster movie. How many have you seen where it features a good cast of award wining actors, the latest special effects and a massive $100-$200 million budget for it to turn into a terrible movie, that is how I look at some of the shows at the Tokyo Disney Resort. For a show to be rated amoung the best it needs to have more than what you have listed above.

...I enjoy an connect with the shows at TDR, not just because they are better produced but also because the creativity and talent is far superior to what I see at the other parks. The big budget is not entirely the main reason why I love them, but there is no denying that it does help craft the productions to a higher level over the rest of the Disney parks. Like it or not.

Clearly I often think we visit seperate parks to each other, you clearly can not say that take for example the Golden Mickey's at Hong Kong Disneyland does not perform to a higher level than One Man's Dream 2 at Tokyo Disneyland.

And FYI... OMD2 is a nice show but not one of my favorites.

You write like you are claiming for it to be a fact. What we are discussing is an opinion, sadly we do not all share the same opinion as you and if you wish to discuss the Tokyo Disney Resort with everyone sucking up to you, and agreeing on your every word, well you have a very nice little fan club to do that over on the TDR boards. If you come here to the DLRP section and start invading another persons topic, you can expect people to disagree with you!

Agreed. Both of these shows are two of the best shows going on at TDR right now. Not only do they have a talented cast and fun music, the producation values are far more superior than rubbish like "Dream Along with Mickey" at the MK. Shows like those two examples you provided would sink the budgets at the MK, or worst, could never be performed there because they do not want to spend on it. See what happened to TDL's Cinderellabration when it was horribly watered down for the puny MK stage.

But lets not forget that Big Band Beat was originally only a cheap tempory addition for the 5th Anniversary, and was due to be replaced by the Snow Queen Musical. Luckily OLC saw sense and shelved the project and decided to keep Big Band Beat on. Regarding both MOM and Big Band Beat I couldn't care less about the production vaules, the things that stick out in my mind and I may contradict myself a little here, but are the talented performers, the music numbers and the excitment and energy each show creates. Now just to clear up something real quick while I praise the performers in both shows, it still only works because these performers have a great show to work with here. Sadly the cast on shows such as Over the Waves and OMD2 don't have this freedom and have to perform to some lame dance routines.

Still the same, and again, I can only compare Tarzan Encounter to the horrible Tarzan Rocks at DAK, and trust me... the DLP show is far much better than the old DAK one. Still.. I feel that this particular show would have been much better produced in the capable hands of OLC's entertainment, especially after seeing what they are capable of with aereal ballets (Mermaid show at TDS) so in my head, the possibilities of a better production for Tarzan do dance in my mind..

Wasn't the Mermaid show produced by Disney?

What you also fail to realise is that Tarzan is a seasonal show and shares the Chaparral theatre with Mickey's Winter Wonderland. It doesn't have the advantage of TDR venues where the same show is played out all year.

For one.. the Chaparral Venue is horrible and being in Frontierland... not exactly the best location for a jungle based Tarzan show, and I think there is room for improvement in the Tarzan show.. and how come you have not seen it again if you so much like it?

I can not argue about its location, like the Lion King not only does the theming not work out well with the rest of the area, but the actual venues in both locations are incredibly outdated by todays standards. But than again TDL venues are not perfect either, despite my opinions, to the Japanese Guest OMD2 is a very popular show but the venue can't hold the capacity this show attracts. Also have you ever tried to watch MOM head level with the other guest, unless your tall or sitting front row your view is going to be limited.

And reason why I havn't seen Tarzan again is simply because its never been on during any of my trips to the Resort. And I don't love the show that much that I'm going to make all my travel arrangements around this show. But if its on during a visit, I would certainly make the efort to see this show again, something I wouldn't do with some of the TDR shows.

[Malin]

Why don't we call this topic "What DLP does best, but what TDL does better" ... I don't think anyone can compliment their park without a reply from TDLfan that his park does it better anyway

Reason why I love bursting his little bubble, unlike others I have actually been to the Tokyo Disney Resort, and while the Resort does do a lot of good things right, its still is not perfect. And there are many areas in which he chooses to ignore this. Or when he's called out about it he tries to quickly turn it against WDW.

He is entitled to his opinion, and therefore don't mind it. After all I love kicking the MK at every opportunity because it is so poor compared to the other parks.

Absolutely Dave and these boards would be a very boring place without them. Reason why TDLFAN and a few others are so well known on these boards is because there will speak up, not caring about what kind of backlash it will create, and it makes the place so much more entertaining than some other boards where everyone is nice to each other and will finish each post with a nice smiley

I knew that this thread would degenerate into just that when I started it despite my requests that it didn't.

I would just like to apologise to you nathan detroit, but at times I would perfer not to sit back and read claims made by others which I personally feel are wrong. DLP does a lot right and it would take all day to write up a list. Its become a great Disney Resort which I am very proud to call it my local park, and be visiting next month.

[davewasbaloo]

I would just like to apologise to you nathan detroit, but at times I would perfer not to sit back and read claims made by others which I personally feel are wrong. DLP does a lot right and it would take all day to write up a list. Its become a great Disney Resort which I am very proud to call it my local park, and be visiting next month.

Amen, it has some huge problems still, and is still not as good as it once was in my mind. But the good and great of DLP is amazing. I really want to get back, but don't have the time and money right now.

[AE_Fan]

Let's see now...

Best BTMR

Best RnRC (I prefer a nice light show over blacklight cut outs.)

Landscaping wise, it's very well done and kicks the pants off the American parks.

Phantom Manor is a truly macabre delight.

A good castle with a dragon.

Oh yes, when Space Mountain was "Space Mountain De La Terre a La Lune"...that was certainly the best SM. (Unforntuntly right now it's just the prettiest looking one from the outside.)

[TDLFAN]

Why don't we call this topic "What DLP does best, but what TDL does better" ... I don't think anyone can compliment their park without a reply from TDLfan that his park does it better anyway

(and I'm not only talking about this topic/this subforum)

"MY" park? We are not talking about WDW here... which is where I grew up and worked for 5 yrs of my life. And please... remember my name is "TDLFAN" in caps. Get both right the next time.

[TDLFAN]

Clearly I often think we visit seperate parks to each other, you clearly can not say that take for example the Golden Mickey's at Hong Kong Disneyland does not perform to a higher level than One Man's Dream 2 at Tokyo Disneyland.

Again, you should have read my opinion again... I absolutely love Golden Mickeys and DO like it better that OMD2, so exactly what are you arguing with me about, except for trying to burst the little "bubble" you think I have?

You write like you are claiming for it to be a fact. What we are discussing is an opinion, sadly we do not all share the same opinion as you and if you wish to discuss the Tokyo Disney Resort with everyone sucking up to you, and agreeing on your every word, well you have a very nice little fan club to do that over on the TDR boards. If you come here to the DLRP section and start invading another persons topic, you can expect people to disagree with you!

I think you are one of my best fans Malin, reason why I love arguing my point with you at every chance I get... or else, you would not care that much.

But lets not forget that Big Band Beat was originally only a cheap tempory addition for the 5th Anniversary, and was due to be replaced by the Snow Queen Musical.

That "cheap" show had a budget 10 times larger than what it cost to produced "Scream along with Mickey" at the MK, based on my personal friends who perform on that show.

Luckily OLC saw sense and shelved the project and decided to keep Big Band Beat on.

Not because of money but because OLC came to their senses because BBB was a very pupolar show right out of the gate with guest, and the Snow Queen show would have been money wasted on a production that had no disney connection and would have been a big fat bore to japanese guests. Remember.. WDC is not always in tune with what the japanese guests want to see at TDR.

Regarding both MOM and Big Band Beat I couldn't care less about the production vaules, the things that stick out in my mind and I may contradict myself a little here, but are the talented performers, the music numbers and the excitment and energy each show creates.

You really do not seem to know (or care to understand) my opinion on this... but then again, I should not bother arguing a point with someone who do not understand "show business" much...

Now just to clear up something real quick while I praise the performers in both shows, it still only works because these performers have a great show to work with here. Sadly the cast on shows such as Over the Waves and OMD2 don't have this freedom and have to perform to some lame dance routines.

Do not bother, as you continue to make no sense. ALL performers have to stick to a script. Furthermore... japanese CMs do have the option to switch from one show to the next when positions are available, and so do some of the specialized western CMs. Remember... I know some of them in person, and I know what goes on behind the curtain backstage.

What you also fail to realise is that Tarzan is a seasonal show and shares the Chaparral theatre with Mickey's Winter Wonderland. It doesn't have the advantage of TDR venues where the same show is played out all year.

I realize quite well the Chaparral houses two shows seasonally, but that still won't change my mind about what I feel could be a better show or not. The venue makes no difference to me.

Also have you ever tried to watch MOM head level with the other guest, unless your tall or sitting front row your view is going to be limited.

People sitting behind you may also agree on that.

[Malin]

Again, you should have read my opinion again... I absolutely love Golden Mickeys and DO like it better that OMD2, so exactly what are you arguing with me about, except for trying to burst the little "bubble" you think I have?

Because you are going around saying the shows at the TDR are the best found in any other Disney park in the world. But you have just proved my point that is not correct so thank you.

I think you are one of my best fans Malin, reason why I love arguing my point with you at every chance I get... or else, you would not care that much.

You say that but it is not me who is gate crashing another board with his TDR opinions when the Original Poster asked people not too. If you are going to make stupid claims than yes I will argue against you, because most people havn't been to the TDR to do the same, and that puts me in a unique position here. But than again I can understand why you love arguing with me too, as it must be nice to read opinions from someone who's actually been and not just posting there opinions from a picture or video there have seen.

That "cheap" show had a budget 10 times larger than what it cost to produced "Scream along with Mickey" at the MK, based on my personal friends who perform on that show.

But without making the WDW comparrisons yet again... It was still a cheap by OLC standards production that was only originally going to last 8 months or so!

Not because of money but because OLC came to their senses because BBB was a very pupolar show right out of the gate with guest, and the Snow Queen show would have been money wasted on a production that had no disney connection and would have been a big fat bore to japanese guests. Remember.. WDC is not always in tune with what the japanese guests want to see at TDR.

So you are finally admiting elaborate budget, costuming, talented cast and razzle-dazzle do not make a good show. That in order for it to really be an outstanding show it needs to hold an audience in the palm of its hand from start to finish. If it doesn't connect with the audience or hold out from a creative stand point its simply can not be considered a great show.

You really do not seem to know (or care to understand) my opinion on this... but then again, I should not bother arguing a point with someone who do not understand "show business" much...

I do apologise I had no idea someone who's a flight attendant had so much knowledge of how the industry works. Let me apologise and never doubt your views again

Do not bother, as you continue to make no sense. ALL performers have to stick to a script. Furthermore... japanese CMs do have the option to switch from one show to the next when positions are available, and so do some of the specialized western CMs. Remember... I know some of them in person, and I know what goes on behind the curtain backstage.

Which is what I'm refering to when I said it still only works because these performers have a great show to work with here. The more you argue with me the more you are actually agreeing with my views. I have a fair idea to how TDR works, and I am fully aware once the performers contract runs out these castmembers have the option to transfer over to other shows. This information has nothing to do with this argument anyway. And knowing performers backstage is not exactly a brand new concept anyway, I have a few friends who work backstage at DLRP. The stories I could tell you about how crazy it can get backstage before the parade starts, but this will have to wait until the right discussion comes up. I'm not like you just going to claim to know people as a way to prove to you I have a knowledge of how backstage works, so it that makes my argument more valid. End of the day it doesn't matter if you know people or not.

I realize quite well the Chaparral houses two shows seasonally, but that still won't change my mind about what I feel could be a better show or not. The venue makes no difference to me.

May be not but I just apreciate the fact that DLRP mixes its entertainment up though out the year and doesn't just give guest the same show all year around. It gives guest much more variety. Its quite amazing to see how differnt the set pieces are between both shows too!

People sitting behind you may also agree on that.

Reason why I always sit or stand at the back, I like to be considerate to the guest around me How many other Western guest who visit TDR can make the same claim

[TDLFAN]

Sorry Malin... I got royally bored with your post above like 10 lines into it, so I quit reading your nonsense. It must be pretty lonely in that island off the coast of the UK, or else... women there have taste, and reason why you have so much time in your hands?

[Malin]

I find the comment about having to much time on my hands quite funny to say my post count at time of writing, is only 2,784 compare to your huge 10,606.

Oh by the way thanks for finding the time to post a reply despite thinking my post was a complete bore.

[fizzog]

Oh heavens I missed this... Ok in an endeavour to get this thread back on it's celebratory topic, I think what DLRP does best, is take all the classic rides/things we know and puts a new twist on them, whether it's essentially minor (BTM, R'n'RC), or major (PM, SM). It presents almost an 'alternative' Disney, and the best part of that is that that's what the imagineers though was necessary to be a success in Europe, but the things they did, it turns out, weren't necessarily the best things to do in that respect, but ultimately created an astonishing park. The need to be different is what makes DLRP special, it strived to be the Disney we knew and loved but with that special twist. HKDL and TDR went for imitation originally in many respects (I'm not dissing and I know TDS isn't a copy blah blah) whereas DLRP did something different, and I think that's what makes it, perhaps, so wonderful.

[nathan detroit]

Although this thread has strayed wildly from my original intension - I must admit to finding it the most fun I have had on MiceChat for a long time!
It makes a nice change that it is not me finding myself arguing with someone who will never ever admit to being wrong or to the fact that other people are entitled to their own opinions.
Keep up the good work y'all!

[TDLFAN]

nathan, I would advise you stay out of business that does not concern you.