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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    Almost a billion dollars, no one would considered that a failure,...
    Of which Disney kept far less than half. The other went to distributors, Bruckheimer, theaters, Johnny Dipp, Indurstrial Light and Magic and all the other people with "backend deals" on the movie. Jerry's got Disney over a barrel, Johnny's French castles are expensive to maintain, and Disney had to did dumb things because to keep the bloated budget down. Still, considering how much Disney spent to make and market the mess (more on this one flick than on all three Lord of the Rings movies)...the company is going to be paying off the debt for a while.

    That's the reason episodes 4 and 5 are "in discussion" instead of being filmed.

    Welcome to the world of Hollywood accounting.


    P.S. Have you actually seen Tokyo DisneySea? Everything about Mysterious Island is based around Captain Nemo. But instead of using him like a prop figure (as in Woody and Buzz), you're entering his world. The same with Lost River Delta - this is exactly the kind of place you'd find Indiana Jones, it's not a street fair with booths hocking whips and fedoras.

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

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    Back Story –

    ‘Splash Mountain’ was created for Disneyland because Dick Nunis (the former head of Attractions) always wanted a water ride in the park so guests could cool off. Southern California gets very hot in the summer yet Disneyland has always been notorious for having places to cool off (unlike the Magic Kingdom and EPCOT Center which had been built more “in door” air conditioned space). The idea languished for years until Tony Baxter figured out how the make the thing dirt cheap (using an off the shelf ride system and desecrating Marc Davis’ ‘America Sings’ show for AA) and Frank Wells figured out that Disney has to reinvest in Disneyland to keep attendance up.

    The attraction proved so popular that the Japanese wanted it. It gets hot in Tokyo too, but it also gets very cold as well. Disney weatherized this version with a more enclosed queue, better water management (there’s a “summer” and “winter” setting) and a shorter drop at the end. For a major attraction like this you must have year-round operation for it to pay for itself, and I’ve been in Tokyo when it’s just about freezing and the attraction has been operating. There’s no reason a few simple changes could adapt the attraction for even the climate in Paris.
    Another reason: The Japanese really dress when they go to Disney. So they don't like to get wet. (Fun facts...)

    And for the record, I would like to add that it does get hot in Paris! There's a reason they install misters all over the parks in the summer. It's easy to forget with the current glacial temperatures, but there's a humid, sweat-filled season looming on the horizon.

    All it takes is money – and that’s something that neither Burbank nor Paris will cough that up these days. Today an attraction must pay for itself in ways other just getting people to buy a ticket. An attraction has to hock merchandise – it’s a corporate rule. I don’t see any way that ‘Splash Mountain’ will be built unless, some how, Song of the South becomes a major franchise (which won’t happen because Disney wants to burn all copies of that movie and pretend it never happened).

    What will happen depends on the other side of the world. Disney is pressing the government of Hong Kong hard for a franchise water ride at Hong Kong Disneylandette. A while back, Disney was going to take a generic amusement park raft ride and decorate it as Pirates of the Caribbean tie-in . Unfortunately, the government had other uses for the money, At World’s End tanked world wide, and the Central Government was far from pleased with Chinese pirate character in the movie. End of idea.

    But both Corporate Disney and Hong Kong know that they need another major attraction. Disney still wants another thrill ride and is working on new themes. If they can reach agreement, it’s likely that Corporate Disney will pull a 2fer and build two or more at the same time (it’s cheaper that way and Disney can get HK to pay for the development – this is how ‘Mickey’s Philarmagic’ is showing up all over the world).
    That's interesting about Hong Kong. So we could see a dressed-up store bought raft ride in both parks, or something along those lines. Say, that Jungle Book idea that was thrown around a while ago, one in the expansion area of Hong Kong's Adventureland and one in Paris between Critter Coral and Colonel Hathi's.

    In any case, Hong Kong doesn't have a Frontierland, so if they want to go with the clone tactic (and we all know they do), it will be an Adventureland ride.

    It’s really funny that Tokyo DisneySea has entire areas that are character based – Mysterious Island (20,000 Leagues Under the Sea), Arabian Coast (Aladdin), Lost River Delta (Indiana Jones ), and of course, Mermaid Lagoon. The difference in Tokyo is that the areas invite you into the character’s world, the attractions make you part of the character’s stories.

    Corporate Disney isn’t in the entertainment business anymore. They can’t tell stories, they merchandise. Attractions like ‘Midway Mania’ and the proposed ‘Toy Story’ parking lot carnival at Disney Studios Paris use the characters as props, you're not in any story at all. ‘Mania’ feels like the whole thing was created with kid’s room stickers Disney picked up Home Depot.
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    It's what happens when a company was once run by artists who treated their creations as "art", but is now run by in-bred Manhatten-born empty business suits that treat their creations as "products".
    Yes, I agree. The end.

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Voice View Post
    Of which Disney kept far less than half. The other went to distributors, Bruckheimer, theaters, Johnny Dipp, Indurstrial Light and Magic and all the other people with "backend deals" on the movie. Jerry's got Disney over a barrel, Johnny's French castles are expensive to maintain, and Disney had to did dumb things because to keep the bloated budget down. Still, considering how much Disney spent to make and market the mess (more on this one flick than on all three Lord of the Rings movies)...the company is going to be paying off the debt for a while.

    That's the reason episodes 4 and 5 are "in discussion" instead of being filmed.

    Welcome to the world of Hollywood accounting.


    P.S. Have you actually seen Tokyo DisneySea? Everything about Mysterious Island is based around Captain Nemo. But instead of using him like a prop figure (as in Woody and Buzz), you're entering his world. The same with Lost River Delta - this is exactly the kind of place you'd find Indiana Jones, it's not a street fair with booths hocking whips and fedoras.

    I'm very well familiar with TDS more than you think and before people misunderstand I do agree that TDS is one of the best themed parks that Disney has created which actually is consistent in presenting a story.
    I sitll do not fully agree with you that every land you mention uses the characters to bring you into their environment with the exception of mysterous Island.

    In regards to Hollywood accounting i guess you tend to forget that there is more to the success of a movie financially then just ticket sells especially when a movie is part of a franchise.

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    I don't really care as long as you get wet. The splash doesn't even have to be completely, or indeed at all, outdoors, if it solves a problem.

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Voice View Post
    this is exactly the kind of place you'd find Indiana Jones,
    That's the difference...it is a world. It is all about immersion, and escapism. It is meant to evoke the feeling of being there in a time period. I hate those plastic figures that destroy the illusion of the characters being in the world with us (a la Camp Minnie Mickey).

    Great points.

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    Maybe FANTASMIC!

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    Re: 2012 New Water Attraction for Disneyland Paris !

    Quote Originally Posted by anaheimrocker View Post
    Maybe FANTASMIC!
    Welcome anaheimrocker!

    Fantasmic at DLP would be just... fantastic.

    Sadly the high cost of the show and the unpredictable weather would prohibit that from probably ever happening at Paris.
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