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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by SparkChaser View Post
    Why can't the whole resort be owned by an outside company and do what businesses do in franchising they can use the Disney name but give them a percentage of the profits. That's what they did in Tokyo with the Oriental Land co. I believe.
    I do believe it is a governmental requirement that the Resorts operator be a certain percentage French. Similar situation in Hong Kong and Shanghai.

    The news that these two attractions are being partly mothballed is a sad news for the resort, but it surely must highlight that these are not pulling the numbers that justify their opening 7 days a week.
    I know its an argument as old as the hills, but should they consider replacing Autopia? (Not that they could afford it). Just look at how much land it sits on. Plenty of room for a couple of C or D tickets.


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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by Hathaway Browne View Post
    I do believe it is a governmental requirement that the Resorts operator be a certain percentage French. Similar situation in Hong Kong and Shanghai.

    The news that these two attractions are being partly mothballed is a sad news for the resort, but it surely must highlight that these are not pulling the numbers that justify their opening 7 days a week.
    I know its an argument as old as the hills, but should they consider replacing Autopia? (Not that they could afford it). Just look at how much land it sits on. Plenty of room for a couple of C or D tickets.
    Yes, they could easily bring over some of the attractions from Tokyo Disney Sea or even Soarin'. Disneyland Paris needs to recognize that it takes money to make money.

    WDS was a huge mistake. That was a perfect example of money spent the wrong way. There was no demand for a second park and even if they did have to build a second park, it would have been better to build something small and with good bones rather than banal like we got. Look at how Disney's Hollywood Studios opened: it had 1 ride and 3 shows yet was extremely popular; also it was cheap to build. This success was due to the fact that there was QUALITY present when they built that park. This QUALITY snow balled into further expansions which were necessary because of its popularity. If it was mandated that a park be built where WDS is by 2002, they could have built something small but with quality and expanded it as needed rather than the bare bones park known as WDS.

    If hotel occupancy was a problem, they could have provided cheaper alternatives to building theme parks to keep guests on property more.

    Disneyland Paris needs a master development plan to ensure it can succeed. So far I have seen no indication of planning for the future.

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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    ^Excellent points. I couldn't agree with you more. WDS needs a heckuva lot spending on it, but even a DCA style budget could not adress some of the fundamental issues the park has - ie the hodge-podge left over from the parks early days - such as the odd placement of the ToT.

    Still, trying to be an optimist, it can only go forward from here, so hopefully someone in Burbank decides to get a plan in place. It won't be cheap though, they'd have to hope for the same reception that Cars Land had (or Harry Potter Land as another example) and even then there's still the hotel issue which will still be there long after the 'honeymoon' has ended.


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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1971 View Post
    Yes, they could easily bring over some of the attractions from Tokyo Disney Sea or even Soarin'. Disneyland Paris needs to recognize that it takes money to make money.

    WDS was a huge mistake. That was a perfect example of money spent the wrong way. There was no demand for a second park and even if they did have to build a second park, it would have been better to build something small and with good bones rather than banal like we got. Look at how Disney's Hollywood Studios opened: it had 1 ride and 3 shows yet was extremely popular; also it was cheap to build. This success was due to the fact that there was QUALITY present when they built that park. This QUALITY snow balled into further expansions which were necessary because of its popularity. If it was mandated that a park be built where WDS is by 2002, they could have built something small but with quality and expanded it as needed rather than the bare bones park known as WDS.

    If hotel occupancy was a problem, they could have provided cheaper alternatives to building theme parks to keep guests on property more.

    Disneyland Paris needs a master development plan to ensure it can succeed. So far I have seen no indication of planning for the future.
    If I'm not mistaken, I think Mr. Gas mentioned in one of the round table discussions that they are working on a new master plan for the resort.

    As for WDSP, it was a big mistake to build it. Back then ED SCA started to make profit, but the contract with the French Government forced them to build another park until 2002. Otherwise they would have lost the land rights. According to the first agreement ED SCA had to built a third park until 2017, but they re-negotiated the contract and now they have time until 2030.

    I hvae never understood why they have reworked the first Disney-MGM Europe Studios Park so much. That park looked fine, at least on the concept arts. They only thing they had to do, was to scale it down.

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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagobert View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, I think Mr. Gas mentioned in one of the round table discussions that they are working on a new master plan for the resort.

    As for WDSP, it was a big mistake to build it. Back then ED SCA started to make profit, but the contract with the French Government forced them to build another park until 2002. Otherwise they would have lost the land rights. According to the first agreement ED SCA had to built a third park until 2017, but they re-negotiated the contract and now they have time until 2030.

    I hvae never understood why they have reworked the first Disney-MGM Europe Studios Park so much. That park looked fine, at least on the concept arts. They only thing they had to do, was to scale it down.
    They don't have to build a third theme park. They can. The second theme park was an obligation, but the third one is just a possibility. Instead of a theme park, they can build something else.

    In my views, they'd better build two or three E-tickets in the Disneyland Park (Indiana Jones Adventure, Western River Expedition or Splash Mountain for example) BEFORE considering a third theme park.

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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by Fultimate View Post
    They don't have to build a third theme park. They can. The second theme park was an obligation, but the third one is just a possibility. Instead of a theme park, they can build something else.

    In my views, they'd better build two or three E-tickets in the Disneyland Park (Indiana Jones Adventure, Western River Expedition or Splash Mountain for example) BEFORE considering a third theme park.
    Okay, thanks for the info.

    Due to the current financial situation of ED SCA, I can't see a third park in the next ten years. The existing parks need more attention and I don't mean new rides. Despite all the refurbs there is still so much to do to improve the condition of the parks and rides. AFTER bringing the parks up to Disney standard, they should build new rides in both parks. Indy and Splash Mountain with a different theme would be great for DLP.

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    Re: Euro Disney SCA can't afford opening Autopia and Armageddon Special Effects

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagobert View Post
    That's unbelievable!!!! That's so typical Disneyland Paris.

    In my opinion Disney should put the consruction of Ratatouille on hold. I know WDSP needs all the help it can get, but all the money should be used to improve the condition of the parks and for CMs to operate ALL attractions EVERY DAY from PARK OPENING to PARK CLOSING. There is no big difference when WDSP doesn't have Ratatouille in the next years, but it makes a big difference in guest experience when every attraction is open.

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    ED SCA does have a problem with the hotels, but it's a positive one. They need another hotel, either a Deluxe or a Budget hotel, because they need more rooms in these segments. The hotel occupancy rate is very good for Europe.

    You just have to read the Annual Report. The big problem is the debt, because the cash flow isn't bad either, but the debts consume all the money. That's why ED SCA tries to pay back as much as possible currently, just to reduce the interest rate. In my opinion they are doing that in a bad way, because they try to save as much money as possible and that causes inconvenience for guests. If I'm not mistaken they plan to repay €250mio alone this year.
    Thatīs it. If I pay for a whole day, I want a whole day. All this closing of attractions for some hours of a day is really sad. At my last trip Big Thunder Mountain had a technical problem at one evening. Then we had a real big problem. Whole fantasyland was closed, half of adventureland was closed (for Disney Dreams! preparations). The only opened attractions at Frontierland and Adventureland where Phantom Manor and Indiana Jones. Because they had fantilusion on this evening you even couldnīt pass to Discoveryland. Thatīs just disapointing if you gave them money for a whole day.

    And for the hotels: Yes, thatīs really a profit center for them.

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