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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by ralfrick View Post
    Apparently I missed the bit in this video incident where thousands of dollars in religious donations were instead used to pay off Mickey Mouse in order to hush things up.

    Anything to add Comic Book Guy?
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    How many FAMILIES would spend money to endorse this type of behavior? I don't think the Kingdom would have a chance suriving with the characters in front of the castle acting like this.

    People spend thousands of dollars every year to go to a peace place to get away from the crap they see every day in this world. Things such as a bunch of juvenile idiots don't align with the image Disney sells or presents.

    Oh yeah... you forgot to answer the part about 'throwing a stone'?

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy2 View Post
    People spend thousands of dollars every year to go to a peace place to get away from the crap they see every day in this world. Things such as a bunch of juvenile idiots don't align with the image Disney sells or presents.
    This wasn't in a public place. Nobody in the paying public saw this.
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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    OIn my own opinion, what you can't see won't hurt you. But what you do see can hurt you. So if we never saw this video it wouldn't have hurt anyone.

    Plus I don't see what being a Disney shareholder has to do with this issue. Did it cause the shares value to drastically drop or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy2 View Post
    How many FAMILIES would spend money to endorse this type of behavior? I don't think the Kingdom would have a chance suriving with the characters in front of the castle acting like this.

    People spend thousands of dollars every year to go to a peace place to get away from the crap they see every day in this world. Things such as a bunch of juvenile idiots don't align with the image Disney sells or presents.

    Oh yeah... you forgot to answer the part about 'throwing a stone'?
    Well, I also missed the bit about this happening in front of the castle, as well. I don't think the Kingdom would survive if John Lasseter was actively promoting canibalism, either, and that seems equally irrelevant to this discussion. If you don't think that CMs have been doing stuff like this for years, then I would respectfully suggest that you read one of David Koening's Mouse Tales books.

    Any member of the paying public that saw an incident backstage is likely in an area where they shouldn't be and should be seen by security. I'll concede that someone on an official tour seeing this could be problematic, and would warrant disciplinary action to the CMs involved. However, spending money to visit a themepark no more endorses this than paying taxes for education endorses 2 teenagers getting drunk after a high school football game.

    And did I throw stones when a nitwit posing as a Man of God [sic] deluded people into giving him vast sums of money to do God's work [sic] and used said money to pay off a bimbo to keep it quiet after playing let's hide little mister hamster when he shouldn't have? Literaly, no. Figuratively, absolutely. I admittedly tend to have a harsher view towards fraud than hijinks.

    And no, I don't own Disney stock, but my son does?

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by horizonsfan92 View Post
    This wasn't in a public place. Nobody in the paying public saw this.
    So nobody outside of that group of CM's has seen this video? Hmm, that's funny, I just saw a link to that video that ANYONE can see. This video went public as soon as one of those CM's posted it on the internet.

    Also, notice how action was taken only AFTER it was made public?

    It is a breach of contract for a CM to record ANYTHING (without permission) backstage, it's a more grievous breach to then release that recording into the public (e.g. internet). Even if we completely forget the content of the video itself, at least one CM is seriously breaching their employment contract. Judging how others are looking directly at the camera, I'd say more than one CM knew about it. And it takes a whole lot less than this to be terminated.

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    So nobody outside of that group of CM's has seen this video? Hmm, that's funny, I just saw a link to that video that ANYONE can see. This video went public as soon as one of those CM's posted it on the internet.
    Just how many people have actually seen this video out of all people who have visited the resort? I'm sure hardly any children saw it. Once again, it wasn't seen by any guests in the resort.

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    Also, notice how action was taken only AFTER it was made public?
    You realize that underneath the santa claus facade, Walt Disney was an adult who liked cigarettes and booze and a good dirty joke, right? He even had Club 33 built (and went through the trouble of getting it certified to serve alcohol when the Licensing Act of 1964 was passed) as a place where he could hang loose and be himself instead of his media image.

    I mean, I can imagine some of the first fursuit characters did something like this, and while I can't claim to speak for the guy, I'm pretty sure if Walt saw it and there was no guests in sight he'd probably chuckle at it, too.
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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    ^And that's exactly my point. As long as it stays backstage, it's not a problem. MUCH worse videos have been made with supervisor consent, but they stay BACKSTAGE, and no one is fired. These videos are shown at departmental award banquets, just so all the CMs can unwind and have a good laugh.

    The problem is not the content of the video, but the fact that it was released. If this were to stay BACKSTAGE, all the CMs who saw it would get a good laugh, even managers would get a good laugh. However, these are not meant to be released publicly in order to maintain the "santa claus facade" that Disney parks are built upon and world-famous for. It is that "santa claus facade" that sets Disney parks apart from, and above, other parks.

    Also, the only alcohol served in DL is in Club 33, which was NOT to be a private sanctuary for Walt (that's what his apartment next door was for), but was built to entertain sponsors, dignitaries, celebrities, etc. To this day, alcohol is not served publicly in any Magic Kingdom (save one) in order to maintain the "santa claus facade." The only exception is Disneyland Paris. There, the table service restaurants only serve wine, which is French custom.

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    The problem is not the content of the video, but the fact that it was released. If this were to stay BACKSTAGE, all the CMs who saw it would get a good laugh, even managers would get a good laugh. However, these are not meant to be released publicly in order to maintain the "santa claus facade" that Disney parks are built upon and world-famous for. It is that "santa claus facade" that sets Disney parks apart from, and above, other parks.
    Someone clearly works/worked there, hm?

    Public fascination with backstage is natural, and if it wasn't Disney would be absolutely squirming to get new hires right now. Along with that curiosity will be footage from backstage appearing, particular in this world of instant web videos, more and more often.

    The fact is that everyone who has seen this video knows the context, that it was happening backstage. I think few people if any think backstage is some sort of puritan place

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    It's a tad funny, although they keep doing it and doing and doing it...so at the end its a bit weird.

    Too bad whoever video taping it should've learned never to post it. Some goofing off CMs lost their jobs (I'm sure) and we're having this discussion.

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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Teenagers do stupid things.
    When I first read about it I thought we were talking porn, but it is just goofing around. Should it have been released on the net? no. But it is pretty innocent in my eyes.
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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    Seems like just a few CMs clowning around...no harm done.
    I agree. As long as it's something happened backstage, that's fine with me. I worked in Epcot some years ago and while I was relaxing backstage and chatting with one of my friend Minnie and Mickey came by and had an extremely funny "conversation" (both characters didn't talk from inside their costumes), with very funny and defiinetely explicit gestures for the onstage areas (nothing rude or vulgar anyway).

    When back to Europe, I had a character dinner at Inventions and met Minnie who fell in love with me and french kiss me! That's right, she put my hand into their pretty big jaws (kind of freaky and funny at the same time, if you want my opinion!). My party and I were all hugely entertained I think that CM made my day, but that kind of attitute would have never been allowed in the U.S.

    What I'm trying to say here is that boundaries bwtween what's allowed and what's not in sexual jokes varies a lot from country to country and that if something like that happened backstage... well, that's what's it for!
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    Re: Obscene behavior by Mickey and the Gang

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    So nobody outside of that group of CM's has seen this video? Hmm, that's funny, I just saw a link to that video that ANYONE can see. This video went public as soon as one of those CM's posted it on the internet.

    Also, notice how action was taken only AFTER it was made public?

    It is a breach of contract for a CM to record ANYTHING (without permission) backstage, it's a more grievous breach to then release that recording into the public (e.g. internet). Even if we completely forget the content of the video itself, at least one CM is seriously breaching their employment contract. Judging how others are looking directly at the camera, I'd say more than one CM knew about it. And it takes a whole lot less than this to be terminated.
    Thank you! While this has died down in the media it's making the rounds through the Facebook and MySpace crowd. I was just sent a link of it yesterday.

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    Now it's time to say goodbye...

    to thier jobs.

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