Fun Interesting Phantom Manor discovery

Scorchio · 03-22-2009, 07:32 AM

Whilst researching for a school art project, I stumbled upon a painting. This painting, titled 'House by the Railroad' (1925), by Edward Hopper has such a strong resemblance to the Phantom Manor, that I had to post it on here.

Is this close resemblance more than just a coincidence? Is it possible that this painting was seen by Imagineers, and inspired the facade that we now see in DLP?

fizzog · 03-22-2009, 07:45 AM

Looks awful similar but it could just be a similar kind of house design rather than a direct inspiration. Question is, did the house by the railroad have a talking head in a glass bowl? Probably not. Looks like PM wins...

pussnboots · 03-22-2009, 07:56 AM

Finally, something that isn't Thomas Kinkade.

Actually, the Psycho house, which everyone is always quick to point out upon seeing Phantom Manor, was based on this painting. Fun facts.

It's a nice painting though, isn't it?

Sgt. Tibs · 03-22-2009, 02:05 PM

i don't see a striking resembalance, just similar architecture from the same period. a lot of houses would've looked like this back then.

nathan detroit · 03-22-2009, 02:10 PM

I would say that the painting influenced a closer influence to the actual influence of PM (I may be under the influence).

What I am trying to say is that IMO PM looks more like the abode of Norman Bates and his mother than that painting although I do admit there is a strong resemblance in certain areas.

davewasbaloo · 03-22-2009, 02:42 PM

Here is one of the real references for PM according to some WDI folks I know:

General - Fourth Ward School

Virginia City (between Lake Tahoe and Reno) was a huge inspiration for much of Frontierland. I love VC so much, I had to take my wife when we got married in Lake Tahoe.

davewasbaloo · 03-22-2009, 02:46 PM

And another inspiration:

Charles W. Cushman Photograph Collection>> Results >> Details

pussnboots · 03-22-2009, 06:14 PM

I love this subject. You know what's fun?

Mid-19th century: Napoleon III has Baron Haussmann rebuild much of Paris. He has a great deal of Medieval buildings torn down to make way for the Paris we know today: wide, straight avenues lined with Mansard-roofed buildings.

The style catches on in the rest of the world and becomes known as "Second Empire" architecture. Enter the Mansard-roofed gingerbread architecture in the American west (and Australia, and to a lesser extent elsewhere.)

Mid-20th century: Edward Hopper, Alfred Hitchcock and apparently Imagineer Harper Goff all draw on the style for foreboding mansions.

1992: The style comes back to Paris — in an utterly Americanized form. It's kind of a full-circle thing when you think about it.

Sgt. Tibs · 03-23-2009, 01:56 AM

wow, virginia city is it isn't it!

i would love to visit.

off on a tangent Mansard Roof by Vampire Weekend is one of the best songs ever :-)

Malin · 03-24-2009, 05:21 AM

Its always a possiblity inspiration came from the painting. End of the day when WDI were building DLRP it went to many areas for inspiration. Just take a look at the Castle Imagineers looked at many European Castle designs.

luke7059 · 03-24-2009, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt. Tibs

off on a tangent Mansard Roof by Vampire Weekend is one of the best songs ever :-)

Agreed!

anaheimrocker · 03-30-2009, 09:07 PM

it wasn't Haunted Mansion at Disneyland CA, there were ideas to put a nother street on Main St and then a really dirty scary house on a hill. But Walt Disney wanted it to be nice on the outside and in his words let the ghosts take care of the inside.

k_peek_2000 · 03-30-2009, 11:41 PM

C'mon guys, everybody knows where the REAL inspiration came from!

Universal Studios Hollywood

Flounder · 04-09-2009, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

C'mon guys, everybody knows where the REAL inspiration came from!

Well, this is definetely not true

PhantomBoy · 04-12-2009, 11:53 AM

that Physco house wasn't a inspritation.

03-22-2009, 07:32 AM	#1
Scorchio Coming soon... Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 307	Interesting Phantom Manor discovery Whilst researching for a school art project, I stumbled upon a painting. This painting, titled 'House by the Railroad' (1925), by Edward Hopper has such a strong resemblance to the Phantom Manor, that I had to post it on here. Is this close resemblance more than just a coincidence? Is it possible that this painting was seen by Imagineers, and inspired the facade that we now see in DLP? __________________ REVELATION : APOCALYPSE Watch the world end in front of your eyes in this epic video. Made with RCT3 and put to the music of Muse, this is not one to miss!

03-22-2009, 07:45 AM	#2
fizzog Pirate - G'har! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Yorkshire, England Posts: 1,658	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery Looks awful similar but it could just be a similar kind of house design rather than a direct inspiration. Question is, did the house by the railroad have a talking head in a glass bowl? Probably not. Looks like PM wins... __________________

03-22-2009, 07:56 AM	#3
pussnboots is satisfactual. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Uncanny Valley Posts: 2,123	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery Finally, something that isn't Thomas Kinkade. Actually, the Psycho house, which everyone is always quick to point out upon seeing Phantom Manor, was based on this painting. Fun facts. It's a nice painting though, isn't it?

03-22-2009, 02:05 PM	#4
Sgt. Tibs Geek Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dear Old Blighty Posts: 164	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery i don't see a striking resembalance, just similar architecture from the same period. a lot of houses would've looked like this back then. __________________ Disneyland Trips: DLP - 08/04/07 to 12/04/07 and 05/04/09 to 10/04/09 plus April 2010 probably. DLR - One Day WDW - September 2010? TDR - Who knows! HKDL - ?!

03-22-2009, 02:10 PM	#5
nathan detroit Ring-a-ding-ding! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Relieved that 'Up' was everything he'd hoped for - and so much more! Posts: 6,181	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery I would say that the painting influenced a closer influence to the actual influence of PM (I may be under the influence). What I am trying to say is that IMO PM looks more like the abode of Norman Bates and his mother than that painting although I do admit there is a strong resemblance in certain areas. __________________

03-22-2009, 02:42 PM	#6
davewasbaloo Gt Big Beautiful Tomorrow Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Live in the Uk, born in California Posts: 1,272	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery Here is one of the real references for PM according to some WDI folks I know: General - Fourth Ward School Virginia City (between Lake Tahoe and Reno) was a huge inspiration for much of Frontierland. I love VC so much, I had to take my wife when we got married in Lake Tahoe. __________________ Let's put the Walt back in Disney!

03-22-2009, 02:46 PM	#7
davewasbaloo Gt Big Beautiful Tomorrow Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Live in the Uk, born in California Posts: 1,272	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery And another inspiration: Charles W. Cushman Photograph Collection>> Results >> Details __________________ Let's put the Walt back in Disney!

03-22-2009, 06:14 PM	#8
pussnboots is satisfactual. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Uncanny Valley Posts: 2,123	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery I love this subject. You know what's fun? Mid-19th century: Napoleon III has Baron Haussmann rebuild much of Paris. He has a great deal of Medieval buildings torn down to make way for the Paris we know today: wide, straight avenues lined with Mansard-roofed buildings. The style catches on in the rest of the world and becomes known as "Second Empire" architecture. Enter the Mansard-roofed gingerbread architecture in the American west (and Australia, and to a lesser extent elsewhere.) Mid-20th century: Edward Hopper, Alfred Hitchcock and apparently Imagineer Harper Goff all draw on the style for foreboding mansions. 1992: The style comes back to Paris — in an utterly Americanized form. It's kind of a full-circle thing when you think about it.

03-23-2009, 01:56 AM	#9
Sgt. Tibs Geek Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dear Old Blighty Posts: 164	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery wow, virginia city is it isn't it! i would love to visit. off on a tangent Mansard Roof by Vampire Weekend is one of the best songs ever :-) __________________ Disneyland Trips: DLP - 08/04/07 to 12/04/07 and 05/04/09 to 10/04/09 plus April 2010 probably. DLR - One Day WDW - September 2010? TDR - Who knows! HKDL - ?!

03-24-2009, 05:21 AM	#10
Malin Minion Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,191	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery Its always a possiblity inspiration came from the painting. End of the day when WDI were building DLRP it went to many areas for inspiration. Just take a look at the Castle Imagineers looked at many European Castle designs.

03-30-2009, 09:07 PM	#12
anaheimrocker Banned User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Anaheim, California Posts: 8	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery it wasn't Haunted Mansion at Disneyland CA, there were ideas to put a nother street on Main St and then a really dirty scary house on a hill. But Walt Disney wanted it to be nice on the outside and in his words let the ghosts take care of the inside.

03-30-2009, 11:41 PM	#13
k_peek_2000 Nyum Nyum Nyum Nyum Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North Tustin Posts: 2,732	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery C'mon guys, everybody knows where the REAL inspiration came from! Universal Studios Hollywood __________________

04-12-2009, 11:53 AM	#15
PhantomBoy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 169	Re: Interesting Phantom Manor discovery that Physco house wasn't a inspritation. __________________ Here come's the bride. As long as we live. Till death do us part. You may kiss the bride.

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