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    Theme Violations - a list

    Here's a list of what I consider to be Theme Violations at Disneyland starting at Main St and going clockwise and my reasons why:

    Main St (1900):

    Opera House: Lincoln should be put back and more closer to its original form as it was a historical tribute to a great American and Walt Disney's favorite person. The 50'th anniversary film was nice and it had to be put somewhere, but it is now long outdated and doesn't really have much to do with the 1900's theme of Main St.

    Period themed shops/attractions being replaced with plush toys. A big loss was the penny arcade many years ago...

    Holiday decorations: These have gotten out of hand and have not been themed towards the Main St 1900's style in a LOOONG time. Most notably are the Halloween decor with the plastic happy mickey pumpkins, the decor should be at least an attempt to fit in with 1900's period decorations and I think this would be more appealing, if they want contemporary holiday decor put in the esplanade between parks or DCA.

    Adventureland:

    KEEP STITCH out of the Tiki Room!!! Stich is suppose to be an ALIEN being from an animated film set in the present time HE HAS NO BUSINESS having anything to do with Adventureland AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL, period.

    Tarzan Treehouse: Animated characters have no business in Adventureland, this land was originally based on Walts TV Real Life Adventure series, AND the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse was a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL

    More shop period theme violations, we get it, cheap plush toys from china make a big profit, bring back items that are from around the world, hand crafted and from the lands or time periods depicted they the shops used to have many years ago, things people can cherish over times not plastic junk and plushies....

    New Orleans Square:

    Stop with the Movielisation (the reverse of Novelisation) Sure the Pirates movies are popular and Johnny is cool BUT they are popular now how about in 30 yrs? 10 yrs? 5?? The attraction in its "Classic" form was so good and so popular it is one of the most popular rides if not the most popular since it was built and remained this way for decades spawning these films, to then modify the ride to match movies which will be forgotten in a few years is all kinds of stupid, and whats with the "Captain Jack Sparrow TM" over and over and over ,,,, we get it.... we know his name! AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL.

    Where is a Haunted Mansion store THAT SELLS HAUNTED MANSION STUFF?? NBC is nice but what about HM? NOS used to cool it used to have shops with actual antiques and actual items one would find in New Orleans of the period, including culinary utencils etc for the gourmets, isnt that one things the real New Orleans is known for? ENOUGH with the plushies and junk.

    And whats with Mint Julep bar, a classic favorite, its only open on weekends or busy summer days, and where did the mint leaves go? Are they TOO expensive to keep around to bother with?? it was these little touchs that made Disneyland so special and why when you buy a mint julep from the Buffet inside you can apply your AP discount but on the other side of a wood panel you CANNOT..... cheap, cheap....

    Blue Bayou: sad , really sad, they took out all the original menu items we all loved ( I asked about this and they said they brought in a top chef who wanted to make the place unique so they threw out the old menu and put in all new stuff no one wants... NICE.... bring back the old BIGGER menu and bring back the Clam Chowder ( I think they already did) and the MINT JULEPS! :-)

    Haunted Mansion: THANK GOODNESS FOR EDDIE MURPHY lol they ruined the movie and so the Mansion was spared the fate of Pirates, (tho they did stick in movie props for a few months and thankfully ripped them out again. Ok the Nightmare Before Xmas overlay.. hmm yes I sort of like it BUT it is a theme violation in that is based on Animation and sorta kischy 50's style holiday stop motion animted TV shows which is nice BUT find somewhere else to put it please!.... and I shudder to think what all the romping around changing things each year is doing to the mansions longeity?! AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction (yes I know it opened after his death BUT it was mostly finished and definatley had his stamp on it, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL

    NOS SHOULD have cool, mardi gras, Halloween and Xmas decor BUT it should be in keeping with the N.O. location and time period which I believe is around 1886.

    Bear / Critter / whatever it is now Country:

    Pooh has got to go!
    Its again based on animation (animation should go in FANTASYLAND OR TOONTOWN only) They took a high tech state of the art entertaining show and flushed it down a flume for a cheesy painted plywood dark ride.... Shame!

    ROA:

    Thank our lucky stars that they resisited the tempation to make the columbia either a pirate ship or a starship from Treasure Planet or something equally rediculous!

    Tom Sawyer Island, ok river pirates I can see but that is not what we got is it, (they call it that but we all know better)

    Bring back Mike Fink Keel boats ( it really really isnt too hard to train your CM's to make sure they fill the bottom seats BEFORE loading the top ones, it is kinda basic elementary school physics and common sense to know how to keep a boat from capsizing!!

    Fantasmic: It was a nice show, WAS, till they cut out alot of it and its got old, it never really belonged here, it is mostly based on ANIMATION AGAIN, it belonged in Fantasyland (yes I know it wouldnt fit there), not to mention the construction of the stage on the island and the big lighting towers really messes up the period thememing.

    And it really messes up Frontierland.....

    I know that the old west and the frontier was a little boring by 21st century standards BUT SO WHAT its history and it was important to Walt and it should be important to all of us.

    Frontierland:

    This is one land that they just have to "bite the bullet" so to speak and accept that is to be a historical themed area and leave it at that.

    GET RID of all the little electric lighting on trim of the buildings they didnt have electricity in the old west for cripes sake!

    Im sorry coaster fans but BTMRR dosent belong there a roller coastr just really doesnt have any business here if you really think about... try it and you'll see... it should be like it was originally intended by Walt... Yes I know westerns and Davey Crocket were huget back then and are not now but hey so what its still history and we should have a place for it in our lives and Walt knew that. Bring back the mine train ride, yes update it with new tech but it was a ride for the whole family and really recreated what the old west might feel like.

    Bring back mule rides and the stage coach rides yes I know they are dusty and stinky BUT THATS WHAT THE OLD WEST WAS LIKE DUSTY AND VERY STINKY. Its called Authenticity people.....

    Fantasyland is totally fine JUST DONT MESS WITH IT..

    Its a small world, ... well it was but it is now getting ALLOT SMALLER (minded), we dont need a red white and blue flag waving scene with disney CARTOON characters in it so that at the exit we have to go thru a STORE that sells plushies of them MADE IN CHINA...... Btw there was a reason for the exterior as wall as the last scene being all white, it represents all the colors of light (the rainbow) combined together, remember that when you go and paint it again next time...

    Toontown: its not original and outside the berm so I dont care about it and can ignore it like everyone else ... :-)

    Tho I dont like the cartoony train station it should go back to something more befiiting a steam era train.

    The area between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland or Limboland as I like to call it :-) which includes the Matterhorn and the motor boat cruise. The Matterhorn is fine or was at least more authentic with the OLD cars the new ones make it sort of blecchhhh and think of all the fond and special memories teens have of sitting in or having sat on your lap your teenage crush... ah yes the memories..... oops..

    I liked the motor boat cruise it made no sense at all, it was slow and it was boring and dammit we need that too even at Disneyland! lol jeez you need a nice break once in a while then you can go back and get in that rediculous 2hr line for a 5 min ride.....

    Tomorrowland:

    TRAVESTY!

    We all know that the Disney co gave up threw up its arms in the air and said we just cant do it we cant have a future world that is always the future, (what they really meant was we are TOO DARN CHEAP and uninmaginative to think of anything....so lets play it safe and go back and make it a retro past version of the future from years long ago.... Sheer Madness if you ask me....
    Face for Tomorrowland to be what it is supposed to be you HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT that you are going to have to update it every 10 yrs or so, take it as fact that the other land dont need a overhaul often BUT this land does, and people there have always been futurists and artists with visions of the future they could have drawn upon.

    Ok the juicy stuff...

    The subs: glad their back but what the heck does an animated cartoon movie that takes PLACE in the present have to do with TOMORROWLAND??? uh huh.... nothing!

    Buzz: Buzz was from AN ANIMATED CARTOON SET IN THE PRESENT and about a toy character WHAT IN THE NAME SPACE MADNESS DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TOMORROWLAND??? NOTHING.

    People mover.... what people mover? exactly, Walt built Disneyland in 364 days ... and ..... it ....... takes.........how ...............long............................for .............................. Disney co..................................to think of and build one ride?????..... snore sorry I feel asleep...

    oh dont get me even started on the MARK VII monorails, I just hope no one dies from heat stroke before they come up with a cooling solution that actually WORKS AND MAKES SENSE and has the safety and comfort of their cherished guests in mind!

    I dont really want to talk about the rest of tomorrowland I am already too upset about it to go on.....

    the Bottom line and the lesson for the day boys and girls is:

    CARTOON CHARACTERS FROM THE WRONG TIME PERIODS DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT BELONG IN THEMED AREAS, NEVER, EVER, PERIOD, END OF THREAD.

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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    Woah!!!!

    This is more of a complainer post for me.

    I have a few comments!

    1. How do you theme a pumpkin victorian?????? Honestly, the theming on MS isn't that bad!
    2. Stitch isn't even in the Tiki Room, so why are you complaining!!!!!!!
    3. I agree with POTC and the NOS stores!
    4. Cartoon Characters aren't always horrible!
    5. Yeah! Tomorowland is bad.
    6. ISAW shouldn't be refurbished. Happy there with that part.
    7. So, basically we tear out 1/2 the park???


    This was sort of an unneeded rant in many places. I won't say anything mean because it is your opinion and we should all respect that.

    Hopefully, you still enjoy the parks even with this "Character infestation"!
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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    KEEP STITCH out of the Tiki Room!!! Stich is suppose to be an ALIEN being from an animated film set in the present time HE HAS NO BUSINESS having anything to do with Adventureland AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL, period.

    Tarzan Treehouse: Animated characters have no business in Adventureland, this land was originally based on Walts TV Real Life Adventure series, AND the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse was a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL



    OMG I totally agree. The Tiki Room does not need Stitch at all. Build him a ride at DCA. I miss The Swiss Family Robinson Tree House as well. I also agree that any Walt Legacy attraction should be left as is. With the exception of Haunted Mansion Holiday because it is only for a short period of time and then they change it back.
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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    this sounds like a long list of nitpicks to me

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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    They have TOILETS IN FRONTIERLAND!!!!

    Everyone knows you got a bush and a Sears catalogue back then and that was it!

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    Somebody needs a cool, refreshing Dole Whip . . .
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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    Quote Originally Posted by GothicManor View Post
    Here's a list of what I consider to be Theme Violations at Disneyland starting at Main St and going clockwise and my reasons why:
    But, apparently, you're not offended enough to stop going to the park. Disney wins. Thanks for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FormerDiz View Post
    They have TOILETS IN FRONTIERLAND!!!!

    Everyone knows you got a bush and a Sears catalogue back then and that was it!
    Not to mention all these people walking around with strollers, and women walking around unescorted!!!

    my word, what a theme violarion that is!

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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    Haunted Mansion: THANK GOODNESS FOR EDDIE MURPHY lol they ruined the movie and so the Mansion was spared the fate of Pirates, (tho they did stick in movie props for a few months and thankfully ripped them out again. Ok the Nightmare Before Xmas overlay.. hmm yes I sort of like it BUT it is a theme violation in that is based on Animation and sorta kischy 50's style holiday stop motion animted TV shows which is nice BUT find somewhere else to put it please!.... and I shudder to think what all the romping around changing things each year is doing to the mansions longeity?! AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction (yes I know it opened after his death BUT it was mostly finished and definatley had his stamp on it, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL
    Isn't it making the Haunted Mansion's longevity even longer? I mean, giving it a yearly refurb keeps it in tip-top shape in my opinion. Now if they just ignored the ride, or didn't put much focus on it, that would definatly reduce the lifespan of the attraction.

    But as far as the Tiki Room, Stitch is in it?!?! What the heck kind of offbeat Idea is that?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler View Post
    Isn't it making the Haunted Mansion's longevity even longer? I mean, giving it a yearly refurb keeps it in tip-top shape in my opinion. Now if they just ignored the ride, or didn't put much focus on it, that would definatly reduce the lifespan of the attraction.

    But as far as the Tiki Room, Stitch is in it?!?! What they heck kind of offbeat, Idea is that?!?!?
    He isn't in there...

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    Folks, Stitch is in Tokyo.

    One theme violation down, five hundred more to go.
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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    Sure there are plenty of violations but when you compile a list that long, even the credible ones lose credibility. I couldn't even make a post that long about things I dislike about Knott's, Legoland and Six Flags combined.

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    I was going to destroy these points one by one, but it would take far too long, and I need to leave to go work at Fantasmic!

    Guess I am part of the beast thats killing Disneyland, I will try to think of that when I hear the roar of the crowd when Mickey appears...

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    You've made a lot of good points, though I must say it's never fun to read intensely negative posts. Here are a few that I disagree with.

    Opera House: Lincoln should be put back and more closer to its original form as it was a historical tribute to a great American and Walt Disney's favorite person. The 50'th anniversary film was nice and it had to be put somewhere, but it is now long outdated and doesn't really have much to do with the 1900's theme of Main St.
    Technically, Mr. Lincoln would be a thematic violation, too. He was dead before the time period of Main Street. (That being said, I'd prefer to have him back. The 50th special, while not "long outdated", could be put somewhere else. Just don't pretend that Abraham Lincoln truly fits the Main Street theme. )

    KEEP STITCH out of the Tiki Room!!! Stich is suppose to be an ALIEN being from an animated film set in the present time HE HAS NO BUSINESS having anything to do with Adventureland AND this is a Walt Legacy attraction, monkey with it at other parks if you want but leave it alone at DL, period.
    Stitch has never been involved with the DL Tiki Room...

    GET RID of all the little electric lighting on trim of the buildings they didnt have electricity in the old west for cripes sake!
    You're absolutely right! When night comes along, we'll just use gas lamps and candle flames. Legal liabilities due to decreased visibility? Lower guest satisfaction? Increased risk of fires? Meh, these things are irrelevant. And crap...time to rip out those ventilators and air conditioning, too. The Old West was hot. Deal with it. And while we're at it, let's let the Columbia sail like a real ship by using wind, and the Mark Twain can finally start operating like a real paddle steamer, too. And we'd better rip out the pavement, too--a nice, bumpy, muddy, horsecrap-lined road will do nicely. [EDIT: You're absolutely right about the toilets, FormerDiz. Terrible that they implemented those in a place like Frontierland.]




    Im sorry coaster fans but BTMRR dosent belong there a roller coastr just really doesnt have any business here if you really think about... try it and you'll see... it should be like it was originally intended by Walt... Yes I know westerns and Davey Crocket were huget back then and are not now but hey so what its still history and we should have a place for it in our lives and Walt knew that. Bring back the mine train ride, yes update it with new tech but it was a ride for the whole family and really recreated what the old west might feel like.
    Actually, it fits perfectly when it comes to theme. You're not fond of it because you can't ride it, and I am truly and deeply sorry that your condition makes it impossible for you--and I appreciate you not bringing it up, too. But don't try to say it doesn't fit. The fact of the matter is, not everyone will be able to ride every attraction. If there are no thrill rides in the park whatsoever, Disney will lose a lot of money and a lot of creative possibilities. BTMRR is a masterpiece--not a perfect one, but a masterpiece nonetheless.

    Face for Tomorrowland to be what it is supposed to be you HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT that you are going to have to update it every 10 yrs or so, take it as fact that the other land dont need a overhaul often BUT this land does, and people there have always been futurists and artists with visions of the future they could have drawn upon.
    I agree with most of your comments on Tomorrowland, but don't forget the possibility of a Tomorrowland that doesn't need to be constantly refreshed yet doesn't cleave merely to retro-futuristic ideas. I always use the example of the original Star Wars movies. Thirty years later, they still look futuristic, with the exception of a few technical issues with the special effects and the image quality and the hairstyles. The designs themselves aren't dated. Tomorrowland could take an approach that doesn't need refreshing in much the same way.

    oh dont get me even started on the MARK VII monorails, I just hope no one dies from heat stroke before they come up with a cooling solution that actually WORKS AND MAKES SENSE and has the safety and comfort of their cherished guests in mind!
    According to guests who've actually ridden in the Mark VII monorails, there is indeed AC and the cabins are quite comfortable.


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    Re: Theme Violations - a list

    Quote Originally Posted by aenobarbe View Post
    Not to mention all these people walking around with strollers, and women walking around unescorted!!!

    my word, what a theme violarion that is!
    I know guys like srsly!!!

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