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[MainStreetJake]

Well, there is big difference between the technology used for Fan and WOC.

I agree, they can replace some fountains and stuff. But that can easily be done without the big refurb. They'll probably consider it once they finsih testing all WOC equipment and talk about making more for Fantasmic!

why? that'd mean draining the river (again), removing the current fountains, adding the new fountains, then testing the new fountains. It'd be best to bring them in now. I'm sure if we got new F! fountains, they'd be done a lot faster than the WoC ones. But they'd have to take out the current ones, like, NOW, in order to install the new ones, test them, and sync them all by the May reopening.

[The Forbidden Eye]

why? that'd mean draining the river (again), removing the current fountains, adding the new fountains, then testing the new fountains. It'd be best to bring them in now. I'm sure if we got new F! fountains, they'd be done a lot faster than the WoC ones. But they'd have to take out the current ones, like, NOW, in order to install the new ones, test them, and sync them all by the May reopening.

The whole river doesn't need to be drained. I've seen pictures of the river still full. Only the parts of the river with the equipment was drained.

They can do this when Fantasmic! goes dark again this year so that it's ready by this holiday season.

[The Forbidden Eye]

A rumor about a rumor. I love this place.

"So, I heard this rumor about a rumor regarding *insert subject here*"

[Uncle Bob]

The whole river doesn't need to be drained. I've seen pictures of the river still full. Only the parts of the river with the equipment was drained.

They can do this when Fantasmic! goes dark again this year so that it's ready by this holiday season.

The suggestion that they would change the fountains at any other time then when the river is drained is ridiculous, which means they should do it now. If you saw water in the river it's because there was a huge rainstorm last week. Almost nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever. Please stop posting this type of misinformed speculation as it only serves to confuse people and is clearly not based on any kind of knowledge whatsoever yet you often make it sound like it is.

[The Forbidden Eye]

The suggestion that they would change the fountains at any other time then when the river is drained is ridiculous, which means they should do it now. If you saw water in the river it's because there was a huge rainstorm last week. Almost nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever. Please stop posting this type of misinformed speculation as it only serves to confuse people and is clearly not based on any kind of knowledge whatsoever yet you often make it sound like it is.

You could've said it nicer you know. That was way over the top. Not to mention that comment discourages me from posting.

[The Forbidden Eye]

Jeff's Trip Report: December 19, 1998
Is this enough proof that they can do it without the refurb happining right now?

Go to page two of this TR.

[MainStreetJake]

The suggestion that they would change the fountains at any other time then when the river is drained is ridiculous, which means they should do it now. If you saw water in the river it's because there was a huge rainstorm last week. Almost nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever. Please stop posting this type of misinformed speculation as it only serves to confuse people and is clearly not based on any kind of knowledge whatsoever yet you often make it sound like it is.

thank you! It's easiest to kill two birds with one stone, instead of having to go back later and do it.

Jeff's Trip Report: December 19, 1998
Is this enough proof that they can do it without the refurb happining right now?

Go to page two of this TR.

And? thats standard fixer upper stuff. That's like, 5 days worth of messing with the fountains. It's not wise to have 3 holes like that sit in the RoA for months to add fountains. Why not add new fountains now, test, and get it done with NOW? Have I said NOW enough?

[The Forbidden Eye]

And? thats standard fixer upper stuff. That's like, 5 days worth of messing with the fountains. It's not wise to have 3 holes like that sit in the RoA for months to add fountains. Why not add new fountains now, test, and get it done with NOW? Have I said NOW enough?

It's not wise to have the entire ROA down just to add stupid fountains in if thats the reason why the River is down for refurb!

[mrfantasmic]

The suggestion that they would change the fountains at any other time then when the river is drained is ridiculous, which means they should do it now. If you saw water in the river it's because there was a huge rainstorm last week. Almost nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever. Please stop posting this type of misinformed speculation as it only serves to confuse people and is clearly not based on any kind of knowledge whatsoever yet you often make it sound like it is.

Actually, the fountain units can be raised completely out of the water for refurbishment purposes. The fountains are basically on large cages that can come clear of the water, almost like smaller versions of the WoC platforms. That is how they plan to refurbish the fountains when the time comes.

While the river is drained, priority is fully underwater systems, such as LNG lines, pump intakes, and the track area. Because of the extensive amount of work that can ONLY be done with a drained river, projects such as fountain renewal and replacement have to be pushed to other times.

It seems ridiculous, but during the initial Fantasmic! installation and the first refurbishment right after F!'s first summer, systems were put in place to ensure that the fountains and their equipment pits could be refurbished independently of the rest of the river.

[The Forbidden Eye]

Actually, the fountain units can be raised completely out of the water for refurbishment purposes. The fountains are basically on large cages that can come clear of the water, almost like smaller versions of the WoC platforms. That is how they plan to refurbish the fountains when the time comes.

While the river is drained, priority is fully underwater systems, such as LNG lines, pump intakes, and the track area. Because of the extensive amount of work that can ONLY be done with a drained river, projects such as fountain renewal and replacement have to be pushed to other times.

It seems ridiculous, but during the initial Fantasmic! installation and the first refurbishment right after F!'s first summer, systems were put in place to ensure that the fountains and their equipment pits could be refurbished independently of the rest of the river.

Exactly. There is bigger things to do right now and equipment upgrading for Fantasmic! will have to wait. Which is why I'm figuring that if they do plan to upgrade it, they'll do it after Fan! goes dark again.

[DisneyGeek138]

Okay... let's settle down people. It is probably possible to add the fountains even when the river is full but the point of doing it now would be that they've already ruined the theme by draining the river so why not work on it now instead of having three dry pits with a bunch of weird tech that doesn't fit the western theme. Its also probably easier for them because they have more space to place stuff and more time to install the fountains.

[The Forbidden Eye]

Okay... let's settle down people. It is probably possible to add the fountains even when the river is full but the point of doing it now would be that they've already ruined the theme by draining the river so why not work on it now instead of having three dry pits with a bunch of weird tech that doesn't fit the western theme. Its also probably easier for them because they have more space to place stuff and more time to install the fountains.

Mr. Fantasmic! had already stated that there are bigger priorities to be done in ROA. Anything to be done for Fantasmic! is put off until the main things are finished.

They have done it before. The idea is that they won't have to distrupt any operations on the ROA during park operations.

It's not like 3 dry pits with the fountains and stuff won't be much of a distrubance of the theme.

While it looks easier to do it now because of space and time, both aren't much of a problem since they can always transport the equipment to the front of the Tavern and install them from there, and they have a lot of time during the time the park is closed and limited work during the time it's open.

[disneylandfan95]

It's not wise to have the entire ROA down just to add stupid fountains in if thats the reason why the River is down for refurb!

The river isn't down for just replacing the fountains. It needs to be cleaned, the tracks fixed up, and show scenes added. But since the river is already drained and they are installing World of Color, it is smart to replace the Fantasmic! fountains now, if they are planning to, since they have the materials and the river is already drained.

[MainStreetJake]

I so hope that they're updating the technology in Fantasmic. The pictures I've seen of the lights and fountains used in the show make them look so old and bulky. The new technology for WOC would save a lot of room and money so that they could possibly add more fountains and maybe a couple of flame-throwers for the villains scene.

The suggestion that they would change the fountains at any other time then when the river is drained is ridiculous, which means they should do it now .

It is probably possible to add the fountains even when the river is full but the point of doing it now would be that they've already ruined the theme by draining the river so why not work on it now instead of having three dry pits with a bunch of weird tech that doesn't fit the western theme. Its also probably easier for them because they have more space to place stuff and more time to install the fountains.

But since the river is already drained and they are installing World of Color, it is smart to replace the Fantasmic! fountains now , if they are planning to, since they have the materials and the river is already drained.

Need I say more? It's smart to kill two birds with one stone, rather than have to drain small "holes" and have to deal with water seepage, and trying to add the fountains in a smaller, enclosed area. Add the fountains now, when the whole RoA is drained, so you have ample room to work around with.

[bfdf55]

Need I say more? It's smart to kill two birds with one stone, rather than have to drain small "holes" and have to deal with water seepage, and trying to add the fountains in a smaller, enclosed area. Add the fountains now, when the whole RoA is drained, so you have ample room to work around with.

If they are going to do it, they'll do it when they do it. If they don't, they don't. Just like so many other "issues", people are getting too worked up with their speculation.

While we often feel we see common solutions that we feel Disney doesn't (and, of course that doesn't mean that we don't), we will just have to sit back and see what they actually do.

Remember, both sides of the issue are equally speculative.