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[Luke Manning]

Originally Posted by stitchon

That's what we pretty much said about Small World. And that was the last attraction Walt officially opened at the park, I believe.

Yeah, but they're not removing Small World, only updating it. They updated Mr. Toad back in 1983 for the New Fantasyland.

[stitchon]

Originally Posted by Luke Manning

Yeah, but they're not removing Small World, only updating it. They updated Mr. Toad back in 1983 for the New Fantasyland.

Luke, the point is that Disney can do what they feel like and they don't care about a bunch of fanboys' negative reaction. Of all the dark rides, Mr. Toad is the least relevant and since Disney is all about "Relevant" these days, should any dark ride be removed, it'll be Mr. Toad. Snow White and Pinocchio may not be the best, but they represent the beginning of Disney Animation, and Alice and Peter Pan are way too popular to scrap. While Toad may have long lines, it isn't as popular as the others nor as remembered as others.

[Imagineerfan]

Stichon,

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[Baloo]

Originally Posted by KAN

Master Gracy. Not to question your authority, but the Worlds of Wonder parade's name sounds awfully similar to DCA's upcoming World of Color show. Could you please state sources??? I doubt Disney will run to shows with nearly identical names...

not sure how stating sources will make a diference or not.


with that said, it is not uncommon for disney to use words or phrases with multiple entertatinment ideas or to tie in certain promotional campaigns.

oh and yes the working title for the parade is "World of Wonders"

[Baloo]

Originally Posted by MTdizzle94

I laos would love to see a new ride replace Gadget's Go Coaster. Maybe a Mary Poppins dark ride or even a nice sit-down restaurant?

gadget go coaster takes very little footprint. If removed they would not be able to fit any restuarant or darkride in that area.

It wouldn't even be enough room for a queue. its a small area with a tightly built queue for the small coaster

[Luke Manning]

Originally Posted by stitchon

Luke, the point is that Disney can do what they feel like and they don't care about a bunch of fanboys' negative reaction. Of all the dark rides, Mr. Toad is the least relevant and since Disney is all about "Relevant" these days, should any dark ride be removed, it'll be Mr. Toad. Snow White and Pinocchio may not be the best, but they represent the beginning of Disney Animation, and Alice and Peter Pan are way too popular to scrap. While Toad may have long lines, it isn't as popular as the others nor as remembered as others.

But they won't because it has significant historical value to it. If any dark ride is going to be replaced, it will be Pinocchio, because it opened in 1983 & isn't one of the 1950's classics.

[stitchon]

Originally Posted by Luke Manning

But they won't because it has significant historical value to it. If any dark ride is going to be replaced, it will be Pinocchio, because it opened in 1983 & isn't one of the 1950's classics.

Mr. Toad may have historical significance, but that doesn't mean it's important to guests. Pinocchio is newer, and has better effects, so it's unlikely that it would be canned. Of all the dark rides, it's the least revered and the least relevant of the bunch. Since it seems the mentality for attractions nowadays is "If we can't sell plush, we can't sell the ride", Mr. Toad would likely be the first choice for removal should they need space for an attraction in Fantasyland. Providing they use up the Motor Boat Cruise land and Skyway area for something more than decor, of course.

[Baloo]

Originally Posted by stitchon

Luke, the point is that Disney can do what they feel like and they don't care about a bunch of fanboys' negative reaction. Of all the dark rides, Mr. Toad is the least relevant and since Disney is all about "Relevant" these days, should any dark ride be removed, it'll be Mr. Toad. Snow White and Pinocchio may not be the best, but they represent the beginning of Disney Animation, and Alice and Peter Pan are way too popular to scrap. While Toad may have long lines, it isn't as popular as the others nor as remembered as others.

Actually when ideas were thrown around for replacments the dark ride that was considered for closure was the newest which is Pinocchio second was Snow white. Both of those attractions do not receive the same guest clicks as Mr Toad, Peter Pan and Alice.

Also the toad building is shared with the Alice attraction making it a little more dificult to just tear out and replace with something else. There is more room with the west end darkrides than the east end darkrides for expansion especially since a completely new attraction would need to be ADA compliant as well as have new safety requirements. These would force them to have wider queues, wider track layouts and more accesible emergency points. Notice how much wider the new darrides are. The older darkrides had scenery that almost touched the ride vehicles now they are set back quite a bit. One new darkride in California would most likely take up the room of two that exist now. taking out Toad to replace it with something completely new would require a lot more room. Unless it was only a retheme with little infrustructure change to help keep it from falling under new rules and regulations.

[Luke Manning]

Originally Posted by Baloo

Also the toad building is shared with the Alice attraction making it a little more dificult to just tear out and replace with something else.

Isn't Peter Pan also in the same building as Toad & Alice?

[kristibaer]

Originally Posted by stitchon

That's what we pretty much said about Small World. And that was the last attraction Walt officially opened at the park, I believe.

I thought Pirates was the last ride he supervised?

[Baloo]

i believe it was. IASW was a corproate sponsored attraction from the beginning built originally for the worlds fair and paid for by Pepsi i believe. It was basically a direct transplant from the fair to the park.

[Baloo]

Originally Posted by Luke Manning

Isn't Peter Pan also in the same building as Toad & Alice?

yes it is i just forgot to mention it. ALice and toad though share some of the same building space. One of the reasons WDI got creative and built ALice as a dual level attraction. it minimized the space needed

[Luke Manning]

Originally Posted by kristibaer

I thought Pirates was the last ride he supervised?

Pirates was the last ride he supervised. Small World was the last ride he opened.

[Wally]

Just a quick note. The Fortuosity Shoppe is currently scheduled for an October 3rd opening rather than late September.

[BassBone]

Opening Vault 28-style merch in Disneyland itself? Bad idea. Disney doesn't need to be in the build-a-whore business. It's bad enough there's a Libby Lu in DTD.