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    While I think the opinion that the bank should fully disappear when the Gallery moves in is a valid one, I just think if you get too nitpicky there you're going down a slippery slope... if you apply the same logic everywhere why doesn't the Opera House house an opera? Why isn't there a mayor in city hall, and why are people lining up to ask random questions there? And why the heck is a European castle the focal point of it all? I've said this in a post a couple months ago, but it takes imagination to enjoy Disneyland. I would not have as much fun if I simply had to drop myself in the middle of the place and not use my brain or my imagination to find the place magical. Not everything has to be set up for me. I can suspend disbelief enough to believe a castle belongs there, to believe a train just took me from a land of the future to Arizona to prehistoric times, and I will still be enchanted by the place even if city hall and the bank not actually serve the purpose of a real city hall or a bank. That's just me, and obviously, MasterGracey, your opinion isn't going to change nor do I expect it to... I can respect your opinion, but I cannot subscribe to it or I may not enjoy the park! And as I said earlier, I'm glad I can at least ENJOY the bank now... as it was I was in the bank MAYBE once a year to renew my pass, and I certainly wasn't enjoying the place. To actually walk around at my leisure and maybe actually enter the vault and observe my surroundings... I'm excited for it! And AP processing will take up a currently unused building. Nothing lost there! I'm excited for it....

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    Re: Disneyland Project Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by ICe101 View Post
    Why do you guys overanalyze everything?
    Whats the point of being on a message board if you can't overanalyze something. That's like asking somebody who collects star wars memorabilia, why are they geeky (in which i do lol).


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorD View Post
    Thats why its an art gallery now
    So the town is idealized simple because spaces find new uses? I could see this at Disneyland Paris, but not Disneyland.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICe101 View Post
    Why do you guys overanalyze everything?
    I'd say this is a rather basic analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Whats the point of being on a message board if you can't overanalyze something. That's like asking somebody who collects star wars memorabilia, why are they geeky (in which i do lol).
    I think the main reason, I made that comment is because I am too lazy too read everyone's comment and therefore lose interest in a seemingly pointless argument. If I read everything, I would be in the heat of battle with everyone else! :P

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    This makes me think of those commercials where the cab driver or the dry cleaner clerk say "you can't have both". It's the same deal with the bank/gallery. You can't have both a bank and an art gallery at the same time, it doesn't make sense. It's either full-on theming one way, or full-on theming the other way-- not a mish-mash of the the two with a weak backstory built as an excuse for laziness to tie it all together.

    Of course, I'll have to see the final execution before I play my complain and criticize card here. I'm curious to see how it'll be done.

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    Of course, I'll have to see the final execution before I play my complain and criticize card here. I'm curious to see how it'll be done.
    I agree... I'll wait to see how they pull it off before I criticize or congratulate things... but I don't think that mish-mashing up the themes is a good idea. It just really doesn't make sense in a living breathing turn of the century town.

    Having cash-registers, and cameras and such is one thing, they are utilitarian requirements of the modern age and are easily overlooked by modern guests as we are very use to them. However, a gallery/bank sharing a building is so incredibly unlikely in 1900 that it is laughable. I'm glad they want to bring back the gallery, but I wish they'd bring it back all the way, or just leave the bank. One or the other... you don't always get to have your cake and eat it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    I agree... I'll wait to see how they pull it off before I criticize or congratulate things... but I don't think that mish-mashing up the themes is a good idea. It just really doesn't make sense in a living breathing turn of the century town.

    Having cash-registers, and cameras and such is one thing, they are utilitarian requirements of the modern age and are easily overlooked by modern guests as we are very use to them. However, a gallery/bank sharing a building is so incredibly unlikely in 1900 that it is laughable. I'm glad they want to bring back the gallery, but I wish they'd bring it back all the way, or just leave the bank. One or the other... you don't always get to have your cake and eat it too.
    I disagree. I think it is very possible to have a facade say its a bank when it is effectively something else. Of course I may hate it when I see it, but being the optimist I that I am I remain confident it will be pretty enjoyable. Again, what I find interesting is that I heard no complaints of the bank holding an AP processing center (I know people have complained about it now it's changing... but as it existed as the AP center I never heard complaints) that not only was out of theme , but was inaccessible unless you purchased or renewed an AP. Or that Mickey Mouse cartoons are playing in the so-called turn-of-the-century cinema that everyone loves as part of Main Street. Or that the Opera House is not an Opera House. Or that City Hall is nothing more than a facade for a Guest Services booth. But when Disney wants to make the bank into something that is actually useful as an attraction people get into an uproar. I see the point of either making it a bank (which woudn't make sense these days) or completely change it into a Gallery.... I get that. But I do like that I will be able to enjoy the "museum" aspect of the bank (see the vault, etc.), without it just being a dust-collecting museum piece like much of Ghost Town at Knott's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    Again, what I find interesting is that I heard no complaints of the bank holding an AP processing center (I know people have complained about it now it's changing... but as it existed as the AP center I never heard complaints) that not only was out of theme , but was inaccessible unless you purchased or renewed an AP. Or that Mickey Mouse cartoons are playing in the so-called turn-of-the-century cinema that everyone loves as part of Main Street.
    I must be slacking off, because I've been complaining about all of the above on a regular basis. Ironically, I complained about the cinema playing Mickey Mouse just a few posts earlier in this thread. And yeah, I complain every few months about the gas lamps not having mantels and the stores not selling period stuff and nearly every other loss of theme that crept into Main Street since Walt was overseeing it, and it's not just me. I doubt you can fault some Mice Chatters for lack of complaining!

    That said, the Gallery might work, and next to the Opera House is as good a place as any. It's probably better than a fast pass processing station which should have a permanant home outside the gates. I don't understand how they can't seem to build a permanant AP center. They had one back in the 80's outside the gates. Bring it back!

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    Re: Disneyland Project Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post
    This makes me think of those commercials where the cab driver or the dry cleaner clerk say "you can't have both". It's the same deal with the bank/gallery. You can't have both a bank and an art gallery at the same time, it doesn't make sense. It's either full-on theming one way, or full-on theming the other way-- not a mish-mash of the the two with a weak backstory built as an excuse for laziness to tie it all together.

    Of course, I'll have to see the final execution before I play my complain and criticize card here. I'm curious to see how it'll be done.
    Good post. But frankly, if the concept on paper is thematically flawed, I don't see how the final product can't be. We all know how the Pirate's Lair takeover went. Sure, it looks good, but thematically it doesn't make a single bit of sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    Having cash-registers, and cameras and such is one thing, they are utilitarian requirements of the modern age
    Bingo. Good post.


    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    I disagree. I think it is very possible to have a facade say its a bank when it is effectively something else. Of course I may hate it when I see it, but being the optimist I that I am I remain confident it will be pretty enjoyable. Again, what I find interesting is that I heard no complaints of the bank holding an AP processing center (I know people have complained about it now it's changing... but as it existed as the AP center I never heard complaints) that not only was out of theme , but was inaccessible unless you purchased or renewed an AP. Or that Mickey Mouse cartoons are playing in the so-called turn-of-the-century cinema that everyone loves as part of Main Street. Or that the Opera House is not an Opera House. Or that City Hall is nothing more than a facade for a Guest Services booth. But when Disney wants to make the bank into something that is actually useful as an attraction people get into an uproar. I see the point of either making it a bank (which woudn't make sense these days) or completely change it into a Gallery.... I get that. But I do like that I will be able to enjoy the "museum" aspect of the bank (see the vault, etc.), without it just being a dust-collecting museum piece like much of Ghost Town at Knott's.
    Having a facade that says one thing, and then having the inside be something completely different would, in effect, underscore that show is fake. Disneyland was built to have a certain level of believability. Having something be intentionally and purposefully fake and thematically disingenuous is DCA territory.

    As for people "complaining" about the Bank being an AP Center, there's been plenty of that elsewhere on the boards, as Lore noted, and I actually addressed the issue earlier in this discussion. But frankly, this discussion isn't about that.

    If you want the Bank of Main Street to become a museum piece, then thats an entirely different thing. Make it a museum, similar to Main Street Station or the Firehouse. Making it into an art gallery with leftover bank set pieces isn't making it into a museum, it's making it into a thematic disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lore View Post
    I must be slacking off, because I've been complaining about all of the above on a regular basis. Ironically, I complained about the cinema playing Mickey Mouse just a few posts earlier in this thread. And yeah, I complain every few months about the gas lamps not having mantels and the stores not selling period stuff and nearly every other loss of theme that crept into Main Street since Walt was overseeing it, and it's not just me. I doubt you can fault some Mice Chatters for lack of complaining!

    That said, the Gallery might work, and next to the Opera House is as good a place as any. It's probably better than a fast pass processing station which should have a permanant home outside the gates. I don't understand how they can't seem to build a permanant AP center. They had one back in the 80's outside the gates. Bring it back!
    You are definitely the exception to my comment. I have certainly seen you make those statements, Lore. And I'm not necessarily on these boards as much as others, so people obviously could have complained without me seeing it. And yes I see a lot of complaining (a lot of it justified!). But my only point was that complaints about those things mentioned before were never prevalent (to me, at least), yet when they want to make the bank into something useful people are getting up in arms. If they destroyed elements of the bank, I wouldn't complain. It is perfectly fine with me if they turn it 100% into an Art Gallery. As I said, I totally get that argument. But I also don't think keeping elements of the bank necessarily disqualifies it from being a neat part of Main Street. One that, yes maybe I have to stretch my imagination a little to believe, just like I do when I walk by the Magic Shop and Penny Arcade and see that castle at the end of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    Again, what I find interesting is that I heard no complaints of the bank holding an AP processing center (I know people have complained about it now it's changing... but as it existed as the AP center I never heard complaints) that not only was out of theme , but was inaccessible unless you purchased or renewed an AP.
    At least when it was an AP processing center it had something to do with money. You walked in gave your money and got a "voucher" for entrance. It functioned much more like a bank as the AP processing center than it will as the gallery.

    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    Or that Mickey Mouse cartoons are playing in the so-called turn-of-the-century cinema that everyone loves as part of Main Street. Or that the Opera House is not an Opera House. Or that City Hall is nothing more than a facade for a Guest Services booth.
    First off, Main Street represents and era, not a specific year, so Mickey could actually have been played. But more than anything else, it's the style of the thing that matters... that's the type of thing that would have played in the cinema, if not the actual thing. But a gallery in a bank would not have happened.

    Opera Houses didn't do Opera exclusively. They hosted traveling lectures and other things as well.

    And City Hall is perfect as a Guest Services Booth. When you have a problem about how your city is being run, who do you complain to? City Hall. Same at Disneyland.

    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    But when Disney wants to make the bank into something that is actually useful as an attraction people get into an uproar. I see the point of either making it a bank (which woudn't make sense these days) or completely change it into a Gallery.... I get that. But I do like that I will be able to enjoy the "museum" aspect of the bank (see the vault, etc.), without it just being a dust-collecting museum piece like much of Ghost Town at Knott's.
    No one is complaining that they are making it something useful... what is being complained about, as you stated that you understand, is that it is being made something useful that happens to not make any sense at all. It's like calling an orange a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey View Post
    Having a facade that says one thing, and then having the inside be something completely different would, in effect, underscore that show is fake. Disneyland was built to have a certain level of believability. Having something be intentionally and purposefully fake and thematically disingenuous is DCA territory.
    Then what do you propose they do with City Hall or Main Street Cinema? To me, having a gallery inside the bank isn't any less believable than watching cartoons with sound in the cinema or having a castle at the end of the street. Neither of which destory my experience. That being said you have your opinions, and I have mine. Good day. And good update today, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    It's like calling an orange a car.
    Well, it's not nearly THAT drastic, but I understand your point.

    And you don't have to justify to existence of City Hall or the Cinema to me. I enjoy them all, really. My only point was that, to me at least, if the Gallery is a real issue those things ought to be too. Just my opinion.

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    Having an art gallery in a turn of the century bank is no less "thematically unappropriate" than having a president from the mid 1800s right next door in the Opera House.

    Just remember, we have almost no idea of how they are going to make this art gallery work. Theres tons of things they could do to explain the backstory in an easy way and make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLCMC View Post
    Well, it's not nearly THAT drastic, but I understand your point.

    And you don't have to justify to existence of City Hall or the Cinema to me. I enjoy them all, really. My only point was that, to me at least, if the Gallery is a real issue those things ought to be too. Just my opinion.
    Yeah, over dramatizing is fun

    No, I agree... and I don't think the problem is having a gallery on Main Street, the problem is the convoluted story of a bank taken over by a gallery but left half as a bank, etc. Just make it 100% a gallery is I think all anyone is saying.

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