Disney's California Adventure Project Tracker II

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Originally Posted by ICe101

Toy Story Mania looked cheap when it was just infrastructure. Again, don't judge anything until it is finished.

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Uh... TSM looked pretty promising while it was in construction... didn't look very cheap to me...

Of course, I'm not predicting how the facades will turn out, this is strictly related to TSM.

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Originally Posted by spacemtn77

I love this thread. Thanks everyone for keeping it interesting.

I can understand why some of you feel the way you do. However, does anybody who reads or posts to this tread TRULY know someone at WDI who has told them specifically and in detail what the Fun Wheel queue will look like in its final, completed state?

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^Yes, but even if it's a reliable source... you can never know how it will turn out in the end.

Why is this thread so full of drama? Can't we just wait for news?

Just a quick remark in regards to painting when it comes to Disney constructions. They are never final. WDI enjoys painting things certain colors to get ideas for color schemes or to see if the colors look the same in real life as on paper. Take for instance the Midway Mania queue. Anyone remember how many times the queue was painted. Colors changed constantly. The color scheme in many of the supports and outside walls changed while construction was going on.

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Originally Posted by BassBone

Why is this thread so full of drama? Can't we just wait for news?

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Eww. Thats what average people do. :p

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Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

^Yes, but even if it's a reliable source... you can never know how it will turn out in the end.

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The WDI team sometimes themselves do not know exactly what the final outcome will be. Things that look good on paper do not always look good in real life. They do know though what direction they are taking and what they want the final product to look like. Like i mentioned before many times color changes are done on the fly or even slight structural changes are done.

Even without the elaborate wrap around boardwalk and large canopy queue structure the final result will be much much better than what was there

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Just a quick remark in regards to painting when it comes to Disney constructions. They are never final. WDI enjoys painting things certain colors to get ideas for color schemes or to see if the colors look the same in real life as on paper. Take for instance the Midway Mania queue. Anyone remember how many times the queue was painted. Colors changed constantly. The color scheme in many of the supports and outside walls changed while construction was going on.

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So you are saying the Fun Wheel's railings very well could change their colors?

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Just a quick remark in regards to painting when it comes to Disney constructions. They are never final. WDI enjoys painting things certain colors to get ideas for color schemes or to see if the colors look the same in real life as on paper. Take for instance the Midway Mania queue. Anyone remember how many times the queue was painted. Colors changed constantly. The color scheme in many of the supports and outside walls changed while construction was going on.

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Wow, I wish I could do that on my projects more often. Every once in a while with paint you're like, geeze did I pick that. For as much as people complain about Dis being cheap they do some pretty elborate things to make sure they are happy with the end results.

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Originally Posted by ICe101

Toy Story Mania looked cheap when it was just infrastructure. Again, don't judge anything until it is finished.

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I don't recall it ever looking cheap.

Thank you all for asnwering my walkway question on the Fun Wheel. I for one will wait until it is all done before trying to give my input (which I'm great at).

One question though: I thought all of this was already approved by budget before the economy turmoil hit. Even though it is all approved and accounted for, it can all still change? I didn't know that. Does anyone know where the money may be allovated too?

Thanks again!

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

This is completely normal. How else would you be able to design a massive project like this with an overall budget and be able to meet that budget? If you didn't edit yourself in the way WDI is doing you would exceed the budget for sure. That's the way these things work. For example, if they penciled in 100 million for Mermaid when they were establishing the budget and now they want to spend 110 million, they have to get that 10 million from somewhere. So they decided to cut some minor things in PP to get the money they needed for other projects. It's even possible they're adding cool new things that were never originally planned for. If this was DCA1.0, we would have lost the boardwalk, had the budget of everything else cut by a significant factor and probably lost some minor attractions from CL.

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When they establish a budget, it’s based on the concept they present. And once that concept had been bought off (based on the budget they approved), the project must adhere to it. The budget should include everything needed to complete the project, including contingency. Contingency should cover all incidental costs that weren’t foreseen during initial budget assessment. The budget for Mermaid would only be “penciled in” in initial concept stages. Once the budget had been allocated, that money is not subject to being modified for other purposes.

So I really doubt that they would be pulling funds from previously budgeted projects to fund altogether new projects. New projects would have to go through the entire process to get funding and it’s own budget.

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Originally Posted by disneyland255

One question though: I thought all of this was already approved by budget before the economy turmoil hit. Even though it is all approved and accounted for, it can all still change? I didn't know that. Does anyone know where the money may be allovated too?

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No one really knows where the money is going but you are right, the budget was approved. Although with so many changes that could be made in the major attractions (Carsland/Little Mermaid) they are being safe and setting aside some money that they could use if they needed to in these areas. There still is always a chance that they bring back the original ideas of what were intended, such as the pier, and covered queue and what not.

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Originally Posted by ICe101

No one really knows where the money is going but you are right, the budget was approved. Although with so many changes that could be made in the major attractions (Carsland/Little Mermaid) they are being safe and setting aside some money that they could use if they needed to in these areas. There still is always a chance that they bring back the original ideas of what were intended, such as the pier, and covered queue and what not.

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I don't really believe that they "set aside" any of the money. It was more likely allocated from Disney's overall fiscal budget. So, it could change if the company's upcoming outlook took a significant downward turn. Many of the projects in the "Disney Decade" were budgeted, but they were ALL shut down when the economy went sour in the early 90's.

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Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

^Yes, but even if it's a reliable source... you can never know how it will turn out in the end.

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Right. Al usually has reliable sources, but the Lincoln/Obama/Washington rumor certainly couldn't have come from one.