Disney's California Adventure Project Tracker II

[k_peek_2000]

Originally Posted by disneylandfan95

Well if you liked the movie Cars, why did you say it was "possibly the dumbest movie I've ever seen Disney make"??? And I don't see how John Lassiter could have stopped Cars Land because he was put on the team after Cars Land was already approved!!! I do agree with you that FNSV is already old. But like Uncle Bob said, if they want to expand Cars Land, they can add the Drive-In Restraunt. There are plenty more possibilities of expansion for Cars Land!!!

Spending 300+ Million dollars and 15 acres of land (especially for a park as small as DCA) based on a single movie is a dumb move.

[RocknGuitar]

Okay, I don't know why Carsland is suddenly being majorly doubted here now. Sure, it's not my first choice, and it might have some tie-in problems, but they are pouring a whopping $300 million+ into this. It just has to be good. It doesn't have a choice. Now the thing is how "good" is defined in this case. "Good" as in adding the much needed Disney "charm" and detail as mycroft said, and really immersing the guests into a believable enviornment? ...Or "good" as in squeezing in as much ads and promos for Cars as possible, along with zero detail and all the focus on the big E-ticket, as Paradise Pier turned out. Now I don't know about anyone else, but I like Flick's Fun Fair. What?! Yes, I said it. The atmosphere is kind of cool, and they have some great detail on the originaly carny-style rides. With the exception of Francis' ladybug boogie. I think of FFF as a precursor to what's to come in Carsland.


But let's not get off track. The drive-in sounds like an enormous step in the right direction of this land. Not related to Cars, they could show some old Mickey cartoons, it would be perfect. Now taking that money and putting it into RSR sounds like a pretty good plan too, as I'm sure we all want the attraction to be all that it's hyped up to be in the long-run. But just think of walking down the street from Cars. I wouldn't neccesarily be excited about the Cars aspect of it, but it looks like some pretty cool buildings and scenery. The haters of this really need to looks into these things and just admit that it's going to be pretty awesome.

[MrPotatoHead]

Originally Posted by stitchon

Yep, look at Splash Mountain or Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. People don't remember those movies, yet they are still very popular.

Well said and put.

[ICe101]

Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

Okay, I don't know why Carsland is suddenly being majorly doubted here now. Sure, it's not my first choice, and it might have some tie-in problems, but they are pouring a whopping $300 million+ into this. It just has to be good. It doesn't have a choice. Now the thing is how "good" is defined in this case. "Good" as in adding the much needed Disney "charm" and detail as mycroft said, and really immersing the guests into a believable enviornment? ...Or "good" as in squeezing in as much ads and promos for Cars as possible, along with zero detail and all the focus on the big E-ticket, as Paradise Pier turned out. Now I don't know about anyone else, but I like Flick's Fun Fair. What?! Yes, I said it. The atmosphere is kind of cool, and they have some great detail on the originaly carny-style rides. With the exception of Francis' ladybug boogie. I think of FFF as a precursor to what's to come in Carsland.


But let's not get off track. The drive-in sounds like an enormous step in the right direction of this land. Not related to Cars, they could show some old Mickey cartoons, it would be perfect. Now taking that money and putting it into RSR sounds like a pretty good plan too, as I'm sure we all want the attraction to be all that it's hyped up to be in the long-run. But just think of walking down the street from Cars. I wouldn't neccesarily be excited about the Cars aspect of it, but it looks like some pretty cool buildings and scenery. The haters of this really need to looks into these things and just admit that it's going to be pretty awesome.

I completly agree. It would be so easy to be changeable in 10+ years. Literally for a few million I can see a whole new theme being given to the land and keeping RSR the only remenance of the previous cars theme. And I don't get this talk about FNSV being already old. It isn't old, it is just to long of a line. Yes it isn't rerideable but it is still a great expierence.

Also, I am shocked to see so many members of this forum half empty opinionated. Please support your comments with real reasoning before making any rational statements that led to this current subject.

[RocknGuitar]

EDIT: Nevermind, figured it out...

[ICe101]

^Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.

I don't understand half the acronyms either.

[brandond6]

Wow, I am suprised by all the doubting of CarsLand all of a sudden. IMO it has the potential to have the best ride in the park and maybe... just maybe be the best land in the park if it stays somewhat close to the concept art, which looks awesome.

[Walt Jr.]

The principle of the thing is that this shouldn't be Cars Land. It should be something on the urge of Route 66.

While Mermaid is just one attraction with at least an outside that pertains to the California theme. This land will be like Flick's Fun Fair, something that immerses someone into a wonderfully themed version of a movie, but which doesn't have any substance into the actual park theme.

Changes? Simple, rename the land. Lose some of the Car's references. Make it have more to do with California while keeping in the Cars characters here and there and make the landscaping less like the movie. I don't know the movie too well but I have seen it several times. What I don't see is why the land can't be designed like Joshua tree and other of the beautiful national parks in California.

The concept of the park being Disney's California is still no reason why this land should be an exact replica of the place from the movie. Disney's California should be a place where California meets the Disney magic, like it was supposed to back when it opened, the idea just wasn't well executed. Now we are tying the attractions to many Disney Characters, but it like the IASW/ Disneyland conflict (Less then 15 original adventures left in the park out of 35 leaving about 18 movie rides) the park is becoming more of a rehash of characters and any California sparkle is leaving.

Mermaid will at least give the bay area sparkle to the California Theme. Hollywood land will be well Hollywood, Buena Vista Street will be LA. But Cars Land is lacking any cohesive connection to California. Change the name and the landscape, let it be more than just the movie.

Disney has a lack of creativity. They no longer have the ability to create original adventures for the Disneyland Resort. GRR and Soarin will soon be the only two original adventures left. GRR will be plussed hopefully with something that will help the california theme (ie. wildlife). Soarin will hopefully stay for a while.

If John Lasseter would stop forcing his movies into the parks and focus on what WDI should be about, he should create an attraction about California that has the same storytelling that Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean had with some new characters that can help the California theme. The biggest problem with DCA is that Pixar characters everywhere won't help the theme at all. Inclusion in some areas will make the park super, but rehashing movies won't.

[Mojave]

Originally Posted by disneylandfan95

Hold on here!!! In the first paragraph you say that you "loved" the movie Cars. Then in the second, you sat that it is "possibly the dumbest movie I've ever seen Disney make"!!! So which one is it?!?!?! And John Lassiter's ego??? The only reason that he is working on it is because Jay Rasulo won't be a part of it!!! So I don't agree with you at all!!! Cars Land was already planned even before John Lassiter was part of the project!!!

He said it is possibly the dumbest MOVE, not movie, he's ever seen Disney make. I disagree with that statement, but just wanted to point out what he said.

[lazyboy97O]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

I agree, good word of mouth on the new attractions will drive increased visits more then the minor theming that remains to be finished. (Unfortunately the middle of the park is and will remain a mess for a while.) This is smart budget allocation in all likelyhood. If phase one goes well it's very likely that the budget for phase two will be increased so that everything WDI wants can be added. Supposedly this would mean an additional 400 million on top of the apprx. 400 million already planned for phase 2, bringing the total for the DCA project to the 1.6 billion range.

I believe it was Honor over at Blue Sky Disney who also alluded to the idea that the success of Phase 1 would enable the use of "See, we know what we're doing" to get the okay for additions not tied to existing franchises.

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

Budget has nothing to do with it. One was masterfully planned, the other one wasnt. There's your problem right there. One worked, the other one didnt.

I have to second the motion that EPCOT Center, while great in its own right, isn't exactly a marvel of planning. It is not more than a figure eight, but it's lack of being a complete figure eight makes it a bit odd. The Future World dead ends at the Seas Pavilion and the Energy Pavilion are particularly annoying.

Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

Sorry I feel like an idiot... what's FNSV...?

Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage

[Walt Jr.]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

You just be lucky they aren't sparing a dime on this thing.

They didn't spare a dime on FNSV and the lines are now shortening. Why? Because nobody wants to come back to see a movie replay again and again. But the E-Ticket is an original attraction right? Sure. But money isn't everything to an attraction. What really matters is a good, original story and something that can connect to the audience, a cars attraction would be good but an entire Cars Land won't appeal to everyone. Once again, Walt wanted a place where there was something for everyone, yes in every land.

I could pour every cent into Superstar Limo and it still wouldn't be good, know why? See above.

Money isn't all in imagineering.

Originally Posted by WDITrent

What's wrong with Disney promoting its movies? That's what it had originally! If you ask me, DCA lacked Disney when it opened. And there's nothing much to complain about. It will contain one of the most expensive and high-tech attractions since IJA.

Adventureland was promoting True Life Adventures. Tomorrowland was promoting Walt Disney's Space programs. Fantasyland promoted everything else!

I have faith in Carsland (even though I don't like the name).

You watched imagineering the magic didn't you?

At the time yes. But look how Disneyland grew since that. When Walt built the park, he had nothing to go from. To have a land inspired by a series of films is wonderful. But not one movie in particular.

Fantasyland-Every Disney Animated film
Adventureland-Every True Life Adventure Film.

Don't try to say that HM, POTC, CBJ, ATIS, SM, CoP, IASW, and Tiki Room came out of the video, no that came out of imagination. It's time WDI got it back.

[RocknGuitar]

Originally Posted by Walt Jr.

The principle of the thing is that this shouldn't be Cars Land. It should be something on the urge of Route 66.

While Mermaid is just one attraction with at least an outside that pertains to the California theme. This land will be like Flick's Fun Fair, something that immerses someone into a wonderfully themed version of a movie, but which doesn't have any substance into the actual park theme.

Changes? Simple, rename the land. Lose some of the Car's references. Make it have more to do with California while keeping in the Cars characters here and there and make the landscaping less like the movie. I don't know the movie too well but I have seen it several times. What I don't see is why the land can't be designed like Joshua tree and other of the beautiful national parks in California.

The concept of the park being Disney's California is still no reason why this land should be an exact replica of the place from the movie. Disney's California should be a place where California meets the Disney magic, like it was supposed to back when it opened, the idea just wasn't well executed. Now we are tying the attractions to many Disney Characters, but it like the IASW/ Disneyland conflict (Less then 15 original adventures left in the park out of 35 leaving about 18 movie rides) the park is becoming more of a rehash of characters and any California sparkle is leaving.

Mermaid will at least give the bay area sparkle to the California Theme. Hollywood land will be well Hollywood, Buena Vista Street will be LA. But Cars Land is lacking any cohesive connection to California. Change the name and the landscape, let it be more than just the movie.

Disney has a lack of creativity. They no longer have the ability to create original adventures for the Disneyland Resort. GRR and Soarin will soon be the only two original adventures left. GRR will be plussed hopefully with something that will help the california theme (ie. wildlife). Soarin will hopefully stay for a while.

If John Lasseter would stop forcing his movies into the parks and focus on what WDI should be about, he should create an attraction about California that has the same storytelling that Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean had with some new characters that can help the California theme. The biggest problem with DCA is that Pixar characters everywhere won't help the theme at all. Inclusion in some areas will make the park super, but rehashing movies won't.

I actually agree. When all is left and done, Soarin' and GRR will be the two original attractions left in the park. That's kind of sad.

Although as someone already stated, think of Mr. Toad and Song of the South. Does anyone remember it anymore except hardcore fans? no. Are the rides popular? wildly so. Splash Mountain sometimes has the longest wait in the park. With Cars, I'm thinking it will be the same thing. It's already fading away... what'll be left once all the Cars memory is gone? Talking car characters in a route 66 setting. Seems to work pretty well, doesn't it? With the possible addition of the drive-in theater, it would pretty much add even more to the route 66 enviornment. That's what WDI is going for even from the start... route 66... just with a Cars tie-in.

[Walt Jr.]

Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

I actually agree. When all is left and done, Soarin' and GRR will be the two original attractions left in the park. Although as someone already stated, think of Mr. Toad and Song of the South. Does anyone remember it anymore except hardcore fans? no. Are the rides popular? wildly so. Splash Mountain sometimes has the longest wait in the park. With Cars, I'm thinking it will be the same thing. It's already fading away... what'll be left once all the Cars memory is gone? Talking car characters in a route 66 setting. Seems to work pretty well, doesn't it? With the possible addition of the drive-in theater, it would pretty much add even more to the route 66 enviornment. That's what WDI is going for even from the start... route 66... just with a Cars tie-in.

Splash and Toad aren't entire lands.

There is no problem with including Cars.

Just give it California Relevance. Name it Route 66. Redo the environment so that it doesn't match the movie. Don't let the cars have dominance over every attraction. Just one attraction should be left without a cars influence.

[RocknGuitar]

Originally Posted by Walt Jr.

Splash and Toad aren't entire lands.

There is no problem with including Cars.

Just give it California Relevance. Name it Route 66. Redo the environment so that it doesn't match the movie. Don't let the cars have dominance over every attraction. Just one attraction should be left without a cars influence.

Trust me. I think it's safe to say that all of us pretty much want something more like you just described. But I also think it's pretty much safe to say that that will never happen as long as Pixar is partnered with Disney.

[Walt Jr.]

Originally Posted by RocknGuitar

Trust me. I think it's safe to say that all of us pretty much want something more like you just described. But I also think it's pretty much safe to say that that will never happen as long as Pixar is partnered with Disney.

Or as long as John Lasseter continues on his spree to invade parks selfishly with his own movies and neglect any thought about originality.

Someday they will notice and he will be out the door.