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    It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    .........Just for kicks........ which park would would you go to first..........without knowing what's in the DLR Resort......

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Very, very, very difficult to say. I assume we're comparing 1955 Disneyland to 2001 DCA? And you say we have no knowledge of the parks whatsoever except what we can see from the esplanade...

    Well, I'd have to go with Disneyland first, I'd imagine, since its entrance is so much more appealing to me. But there's a possibility that I'd actually enjoy DCA more. Not because Disney made better choices with DCA - they're infinitely worse, by and large - but simply because Disneyland's opening-day entertainment value was pretty low compared to today. My reaction at the end of the day, I hope and think, would be something like this:

    Hmmm. Very interesting. Who knew an amusement park could be that clean and complex? I'll have to keep my eye on both of these. I had a blast in DCA, but I'm not seeing a lot of potential for it to get much better. Disneyland, on the other hand...well, it wasn't TOTALLY amazing, but there are definite possibilities there. Especially once all those plants grow and the cement hardens.


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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Your username suggests that you are a DCA fan. So I'll try to be gentle, and say that DCA would have opened that day only if Walt had been bound, and gagged ... well, let's just say that at least for the most part, and what I have read, the DCA of today has most of Walt detested in the building of Disneyland.

    But I'll play. Disneyland first. And since it was hot and overcrowded that day, I'd go to DCA for a break from the crowd.

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    Disneyland, on the other hand...well, it wasn't TOTALLY amazing, but there are definite possibilities there. Especially once all those plants grow and the cement hardens.
    Disneyland may not have been "totally amazing" by today's standards, but it certainly was back then! There was absolutely nothing else like it, anywhere in the world.

    And as far as I'm concerned, that's still the case.

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    I'm going to have to agree with Radiobarry here and say that the OP's proposition is a complete impossibility. Walt Disney would not have allowed DCA to even open as it was.

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by Radiobarry View Post
    Disneyland may not have been "totally amazing" by today's standards, but it certainly was back then! There was absolutely nothing else like it, anywhere in the world.
    True. But if DCA had existed back then, there would have been something else like it in the world - something with infinitely less charm and capacity for development and improvement, but something with perhaps more sheer entertainment value in the beginning. Keep in mind that these were the only attractions to be found in the park at the time. I would have somewhat enjoyed the three Fantasyland dark rides (abbreviated versions of Snow White, Peter Pan, and Mr. Toad), and the Tomorrowland exhibits would have been mildly interesting, and the Old West activities in Frontierland would have been rather fun exercises in hands-on escapism, but there really wasn't all that much to do.

    DCA, on the other hand, had California Screamin', Soarin' Over California, and It's Tough to Be a Bug. There are far better feats of Imagineering available now, but the sheer entertainment value of these alone is, IMO, greater.

    But like I said, Disneyland had the charm down from the very start. And it had the right thematic framework. And it had a pretty good physical layout with lots of potential for improving upon it.

    And as far as I'm concerned, that's still the case.
    I agree wholeheartedly.

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    I'm going to have to agree with Radiobarry here and say that the OP's proposition is a complete impossibility. Walt Disney would not have allowed DCA to even open as it was.
    I agree wholeheartedly with that, too. But it's still an interesting scenario to imagine.


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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    "Here you leave the world of California today and enter the world of . . . errr California today."

    I think I'll take my world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy thank you.

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by Light Mouse View Post
    "Here you leave the world of California today and enter the world of . . . errr California today."

    I think I'll take my world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy thank you.
    Now THAT deserves a plaque of it's own

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Wow, your questions get weirder each & every time!

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by Goover View Post
    Now THAT deserves a plaque of it's own
    Thanks, I stole it off of someone's siggy, I can't remember who's though.

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    have a imagination and have fun don't take yourself so seriously

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    If DCA opened the same day as DL, then that means it would have been designed by Walt Disney, so it probably wouldn't have sucked, but I would have gone to DL first, anyway.


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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    we can not be certain what Walt Disney would have done or not but we also have to remember that he did have in mind a section for Disneyland that included a circus and a carnival.

    I do not think he was so much against the idea of a carnival theme but against the way they were set-up, taken care of and run. They were very family unfriendly.



    With that said, I do believe that DCA would have been intrigued with a certain version of DCA in 1955. It would have brought a place park to Anaheim that would seem familiar yet completely diferent due to its environment. The idea of reproducing a replica of a seaside amusement park right in the middle of oranges groves would have also intirgued guests. I also think that the original concpet of DCA might have even been more succesful. The whole northern bay and the farm, area filled with factory tours and educational attractions would have also appealed to the guests.

    Obviously there would have been several changes due to the technology that was not available in 1955. Grizzly mountain would have probably been more of a grizzly plains and the bay would have had paddle boats for guests to use.

    I also doubt that the neon entrance would have been built. Instead it would had ben clsoer in feel to mainstreet with lots of gardens and the sun icon would had been a large golden globe instead of a hubcap

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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by Light Mouse View Post
    Thanks, I stole it off of someone's siggy, I can't remember who's though.
    I think it is Sediment's.
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    Re: It's July 17 1955.... DL and DCA opened on the same day......

    Quote Originally Posted by DCAfanatic View Post
    have a imagination and have fun don't take yourself so seriously
    I'm not sure who this is directed at, but are you suggesting that people who don't enjoy DCA like they enjoy Disneyland should simply imagine that the park is on par with the original? That's all well and good if you're not a paying customer...but when you're buying the ticket with your own money, it's sensible to expect a worthwhile experience.

    we can not be certain what Walt Disney would have done or not but we also have to remember that he did have in mind a section for Disneyland that included a circus and a carnival. I do not think he was so much against the idea of a carnival theme but against the way they were set-up, taken care of and run. They were very family unfriendly.
    Yes and no. Dumbo and the teacups and the carousel were basically well-done cut-and-paste operations (with Disney character themes in the case of the first two), but Snow White and Peter Pan and Mr. Toad were a definite step up from what was normally found in carnivals. And the land as a whole had a medieval flavor, with elaborate theming and so forth - don't forget the castle! So while it's true that Walt included some off-the-shelf elements in his park, they were never allowed to dominate any one area, and they were nearly always themed in a way that at least made sense in their respective lands.


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