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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Where are those exits that are used in an emergency? *Is way too curious*

    And I think the reason that DCA is able to have 2 entrances is because sunshine plaza doesnt seem like an introductory scene to a movie.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    There is only one enterance to Disneyland for Dramatic effect. Walt designed it so that you enter Disneyland from the grey, dull parkinglot. As you go through the turnstiles, everything is blocked- you cannot see Main Street, U.S.A. or the Castle. As you go under the tunnels, Main Street is slowly realeduntil the pay off of seeing Sleeping Beauty Castle occurs. The train station is esentially a movie theatre's curtain, blocking the show until it starts. If you were to enter from, say, Advetuureland, you would not have the same feeling of awe as entering on Main Street and seeing the Castle slowly revealed. Also, having a single enterance/exit makes for less confusion- imagine that you have been at Disneyland all day, you are tired and have forgotten where you parked the car. You came in one enterance, but you leave from the opposite end and have to trudge around the whole park to find your car. Walt's theory was that a guests final memory of Disneyland should not be searching fantically for their car whilst being tired, hungry, and having to deal with nagging children.

    I agree with Vasooki that DCA's multiple enterances are fine because the centerpiece, Grizzly Mountain, can be seen from anywhere, so there's no big reveal, and Sunshine Plaza does not follow Imagineer John Hench's theory of "Long Shots, Medium Shots, and Close-Ups." Hench believed that as you went closer and closer to something, more detail should become noticeable. Sunshine Plaza does not have that effect. While it was designed to resemble a postcard of Claifornia, as you move closer, that is lost on most guests. Rather than stumbling into a grand picture postcard, you are just closer to the tiled mural. The enterance from the Grand Californian also fits the theme of a mountain trail.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Noctourne View Post
    I agree with Vasooki that DCA's multiple enterances are fine because the centerpiece, Grizzly Mountain, can be seen from anywhere, so there's no big reveal, and Sunshine Plaza does not follow Imagineer John Hench's theory of "Long Shots, Medium Shots, and Close-Ups." Hench believed that as you went closer and closer to something, more detail should become noticeable. Sunshine Plaza does not have that effect. While it was designed to resemble a postcard of Claifornia, as you move closer, that is lost on most guests. Rather than stumbling into a grand picture postcard, you are just closer to the tiled mural. The enterance from the Grand Californian also fits the theme of a mountain trail.
    Yes, that is entirely true. Also, I think that the GCF entrance is better, because it almost has more of the grand-reveal. First, the trees, then that big bear thingy against the water, then the mountain...




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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Main Street, U.S.A. creates nice bookends for one's visit to Disneyland.

    There is a duality to Disneyland, which is, at once, everyone's hometown and the magic kingdom. In many ways, the imaginary personalities, worlds, and ideas of Adventureland, Frontierland, Fantasyland, and Tomorrowland are borne from the autobiographical Main Street, U.S.A. So, progressing through the space is a matter of deduction and induction, with, of course, the exception of the monorail station in Tomorrowland.

    Additionally, by sending guests to the very center of Disneyland when they first enter, Disney can quickly and evenly distribute them throughout the other areas. And, naturally, the guests can be concentrated again when they leave in order to maximize accessibility to shopping when they are most apt to browse the stores.

    The other major advantage is that a layout with a single entrance and exit is simpler for guests to navigate.

    These reasons are among those that make me think that the Tomorrowland monorail station should be replaced with one in the Main Entrance Plaza between the two parks. With the addition of D.C.A., there are more reasons now than ever before to keep the terminals outside the gates. However, you are quite right that making an auxiliary exit West of Splash Mountain available to guests after Fantasmic! is certainly preferable to allowing them to traipse backstage behind Main Street, U.S.A. on the busiest days. Disney has used that gate near Disneyland Drive in the past to admit guests to Grad Nites, and the process worked reasonably well.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    it is my understanding that if need be in an emergency all monorails (if operational) can be utilized, not only that but all exits meaning the doors leading to backstage, can also be utilized in escorting park guests out.

    also, I seriously doubt that the Disneyland Resort would take a backseat to guest safety in a major emergency which would compromise guest safety on a grand scale, such as earthquake, fire, flood, terrorist attack.(mainly because paul pressler and cynthia harris are no longer with The Disney Company )

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasooki View Post
    Where are those exits that are used in an emergency? *Is way too curious*
    The DLR is currently in the middle of evacuation simulations. Guests aren't involved, but maybe you can "join in" on the festivities.

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    Emergency Preparedness is holding evacuation simulations now through May in various areas throughout the Disneyland Resort. No Guests will be required to evacuate during these simulations, however they may encounter Cast Members wearing orange vests and carrying Guest control flags or flashlights. All evacuations may be postponed or cancelled without notice. If you have any questions or concerns please contact Emergency Preparedness at [number].

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    For normal operations having only one exit is a safety move - If part of your party gets lost or otherwise separated you can simply wait at the Exit for them to come out.

    Which can't work if there are multiple exits, unless you can split the waiting contingent into two groups to cover them both. And have a means of communications (cellphones, etc.) to regroup after the missing party is found.

    Besides, Murphy's Law says they got out first and are waiting /for you/ at the car...

    (Yes, there is the Monorail exit from DL and the GCH exit from DCA - but if your party went in the main gate they'll more than likely come out the same way. Let's call it 'The Lemming Syndrome'. )

    If there is a fire or earthquake there are dozens of ways to get mass quantities of people Backstage in a hurry, and then there are a good 8 to 10 different service and emergency gates they can open to get outside the park proper. But they should plan on keeping everyone corralled Backstage till the Onstage problem clears, or they risk splitting up families separated by exigency.

    And of course, "The stores on Main Street will remain open an additional hour for your shopping convenience..."

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasooki View Post
    Where are those exits that are used in an emergency? *Is way too curious*
    If you look at the sattelite pic on Google maps you can spot quite a few, but just off the top of my head:
    Off Main St. on the Opera House/Bank side is a large wooden gate. Behind that leads to various backstage buildings and and exit. Another gate at the locker area, another next to first aid, and yet another next to the Plaza Inn restrooms all lead to the same area.
    One I've only recently learned of is behind Innoventions which leads directly to Harbor Blvd..
    Another large wooden gate to the right of Small World. You can see this gate from the RR tracks as it passes by the road that leads to the roundhouse.
    There is yet another in Toontown as I recall next to Mickey's house.
    Up Big Thunder Trail through what used to be known as the Festival of Fools Arena.
    The big wooden gate between Splash Mountain's exit and the Pooh Corner (or wahtever it's called) store.
    I believe ther's yet another in Frontierland I am forgetting.
    I have no doubt there are more others here can fill you in on, but as a rule, just look for the very large wooden gates.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    There are no direct "in the park to outside" gates, it would be too easy to pull the old Movie Theater trick of "I'll buy one ticket - Wait at the back fire door and I'll let you in..."

    Behind Innoventions it looks like you are right up against Harbor Blvd. - but there's a Backstage service road, and a big retaining wall where Harbor Blvd heads up to the freeway overpass. The 'exit to Outside' gates for that area would be either south toward the Grand Canyon Diorama (and the East Chiller Plant) and then to Harbor Blvd., or follow the service road north (behind the DLRR tracks and a small berm) and wind up going past the Roundhouse and the Team Disney Anaheim building to get to Ball Road.

    Don't worry about this too much - if you ever really need to go back there, they will have CM's there to escort you at each turn. They have already planned ahead for several varieties of unthinkable events.

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    To everyone who is saying it is to funnel you past stores:

    I wasn't aware Pressler, Harris, and Eisner were working on the park in 1955?

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    All Disneyland parks only have 1 main entrance/exit for guests and mainly for what Steve said the "subtle scenes".

    non-Disneyland parks may have several entrances... TDS and DHS are 2 such cases having 2 entrances (one grand main and a subtle side)

    now granted Anahiem does get crowded but think about it! in the 50's Walt never thought that the park would be such a hit. Thats why when MK was built MS is 10 feet wider... and DLP has the side arcades on MS. Looking back at many of the early sketches of the park you will see that Walt wanted a side street for MS, but "International Street" didnt fit into the grand design of the park and the guests... thats why in the early 90's the shops were connected together to help with flow...but even then ever now and then they have to open backstage to get people out of the HUB.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    While the shopping aspect was part of the plan - Harper Goff had noted after his research trip to Knott's Berry Farm in 1952 that "The shops and stores were full and people were buying, particularly in the old General Store" - Walt's Main Street--and his conception of what it should be--was far more.

    "This is scene one, this is scene two and this is scene three and they have this relationship," Walt is quoted as saying regarding Main Street. "Never been done before. Here we [have] a Main Street, that now is kind of passing away...One side [is] related to the other side and to its neighbor."

    As stated more elaborately in Designing Disney's Theme Parks, "Scene One - the ritual procession through the ticket gate, under the railroad station, and down Main Street - the layout of Disneyland allowed for no deviations from the master narrative. Everybody made the same trip from the station into town, the same long walk that the newcomer from somewhere else had to make back in 1900. The act of entry was a rite of passage telling the stranger to shake off the customs of that other place - the formless sprawl of Los Angeles out beyond the parking lot, the town two or three stops back along the railroad track. Here, on this spot, the day started afresh, with a new set of rules. And the first of the admonitions built into the fabric of Disneyland was this: Arise and walk! Walk, all together now, straight down Main Street from the train." [Emphasis added]

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    If your first impression of the park was entering through Tomorrowland or ToonTown, the effect might not be as pronounced.
    If my first impression of the park was ToonTown, I might just ask for my money back. But, by slowly immersing the guest into the "story" that each land strives to tell, the guest can acclimate to the surroundings and we become part of the story itself, in a manner of speaking. ToonTown, to me, then makes sense and is not so irritating. I agree Steve, you don't start the movie with the climactic scene.
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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    Ah, good perspectives. Thanks all!

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    Re: Why is there only one entrance/exit to the park?

    I totally appreciate what Steve and others have said about the story unfolding from Main Street on. However, what the OP mentioned about an additional for exit only makes a lot of sense to me!

    The only points against would be what Bruce said about parties getting separated, and of course the lack of marketing opportunity.

    As far as being separated from your group, surely by now every person and their 6-year-old has a cell phone - and as far as marketing... well, I'm sure they could knock down Pooh in favor of a superstore...!

    (Just kidding! I'm one of the few loyal Pooh supporters.)

    Anyway, I like the idea of another exit. Would I use it? No. I love going back down Main Street all lit up. But maybe other people would, and I wouldn't be so squished on my way out.

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