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    "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    For some time, I have thought it logical that their is a high likelihood that the third gate for the disneyland resort will be a cross between DisneySea and EPCOT. DustySage had a similar thread not too long ago where he was thinking along these lines.

    DLR already has a good number of rides from WDW and offshore parks. The park themes that DLR has not been able to borrow from (for the most part if at all) is EPCOT and DisneySea.

    This leaves us with a "Best Of" DisneySea/EPCOT (WesCot). As DisneySea has a river that winds around it's perimeter, I figure DS/EPCOT(WesCot) should as well. While we're at it, let's give the park a potential name ..let's call it DISNEY SEA WEST. a park with a unique and exciting theme of it's own.

    Alrighty then, DisneySea has a Transit Steamer Line of boats that travel on the river around the park's perimeter. DAK used to have boats that traveled the circuit of a wide river as well. In place of a large river, I'm thinking more of a canal that encircles the park in much the same manner that the Disneyland Railroad does at Disneyland.

    As many of you may recal, there was supposed to be a Beastly Kingdom that would focus on the realm of mythological creatures. Also, there has been much talk of a Fantasia Gardens musical boat ride. My idea would essentially combine both of these notions. We'll call the new ride the GARDENS OF DELIGHT.

    The ride would travel through lush gardens with a large variety of plants - as well as show buidings. Character topiary, statues and fountains of Disney characters would be in various places along the way, as would animatronic creatures from myth and from the movie Fantasia. At one point, guests would experience a humongous fire-breathing dragon inside a lair. Special effects WDI wizardry could even have the dragon flap it's wings and take off soaring over the ride. Symphonic music (classical and modern) would lace the air throughout the attraction.

    I would like to see new versions of the following existing rides at the new DISNEY SEA WEST -

    DisneySea - Island Kingdom (DisneySea) Electric Railway, Paradise (Big) City Vehicles, Storm Rider, Aquatica, In Flight Over The Wild (Soarin' Over California), Sinbad's Storybook Voyage, Magic Lamp Theater, Caravan Carrousel, Raging Spirits spinner coaster/darkride, Journey To the Center of the Earth

    EPCOT - Spaceship Earth, Universe of Energy, Mission:Space, The Land Pavillian, Imagination, Pride of Nations (World Showcase) including Maelstom, American Adventure animatronic show, Mount Fuji (Expedition Everest), Gran Fiesta Tour Starring The Three Cabailleros, a trackless darkride, and a watercoaster/dry for wet darkride.

    I know this is intels a lot of rides (not to mention shows I havn't mentioned). However, it could be built in phases.


    Please tell me what you think of Disney Sea West and my suggested ride around it's perimeter, Gardens of Delight. Feel free to add your own ideas as well.
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    I would like to see that over here, but I would like to see something that isn't already made.

    Since they have Animal Kingdom in Florida. Why not a park based on our water wildlife?


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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    Why DisneySea West? I think if Disney were to build a DisneySea park it should just be called DisneySea. Most of the general public is unaware of the tokyo parks so it would basically be telling the GP about TDS and the fact there is one in the east. Thus promoting interest in the Japan resort, I dont think Disney wants that. That's what I think would happen. We will never know.


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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    Quote Originally Posted by Kritter View Post
    I would like to see that over here, but I would like to see something that isn't already made.

    Since they have Animal Kingdom in Florida. Why not a park based on our water wildlife?
    Great idea, Kritter! The only element of Animal Kingdom that I had proposed was to incorporate the mythological creatures element (from the Beastley Kingdom never built land) into my Gardens of Delight canal boat ride (which would inlude elements of the never built Fantasia Gardens).

    It would be pretty cool to include walk thru natual environment American animal exhibit areas similar to Maharaja Jungle Trek, Pangani Forest Exploration Trail, and Sea World's Wild Arctic. The natural environments would include land and water animals from the mainland, Alaska, Hawaii and U.S. territories.
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Why DisneySea West? I think if Disney were to build a DisneySea park it should just be called DisneySea. Most of the general public is unaware of the tokyo parks so it would basically be telling the GP about TDS and the fact there is one in the east. Thus promoting interest in the Japan resort, I dont think Disney wants that. That's what I think would happen. We will never know.
    Glad I've peaked your interest in the general idea, k_peek. However, most stateside people, I feel, wouldn't be able to afford DisneySea anywhere near as easily - in terms of money and time.

    As for the Japanese and other countries, a DisneySea West would signify to them that our park is a different version of theirs. As they found explored further (or heard thru advertisements or word of mouth), they would find the the rides are different versions of their's (with some being unique). All the shows would be unlike Tokyo's. So, the interest would be channeled from east to West, too.

    The Garden's of Delight canal boat ride around the park's perimeter (as oposed to TDS's wide river would be one big difference that would capture the interest of the Japanese and other international travel trade.
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    For some time, I have thought it logical that their is a high likelihood that the third gate for the disneyland resort will be a cross between DisneySea and EPCOT. DustySage had a similar thread not too long ago where he was thinking along these lines.
    I don't really think this makes logical sense. Epcot has been struggling with their image for a few years now and th epublic at large is less interested in the long drawn out educational omnimover experiences that opened with that park. Epcot has been refocusing on thrill rides and characters adventures in an attempt to make it more appealing to the mass audience.

    A the same time, across the ocean, DisneySea also having issues with their demographics. The attendance at DisneySea is 70% female and there are real concerns that they will not be able to maintain their attendance levels without entcing more men to attend that park. DisneySea's attendance is also driven heavily by character promotions and shows since the japanese girls going to that park seem to adore seeing Mickey Mouse in a different outfit every few months.

    Neither park would work in the Southern California market. Epcot is too boring and large and would not be a good fit at all for repeat visitors here in Anaheim. DisneySea is also pretty large, but it's high prices would also exclude the local market.

    If you were to try to bring these concepts to Anaheim, you would have to significantly downsize and degrade the overall experiences. What would be the point of that?

    I think if there ever is going to be a third park in Anaheim, the theme will be a very abstract and all encompassing theme that will allow them to bring in some more signiture attractions from other parks,while also promoting more of their film and tv franchises. Something more along the lines of what DCA is now, where rides like Tower of Terror and areas devoted to Pixar coexist together.

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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    I...agree with Mr. Liver's post. Mostly.


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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    I actually agree with Liver to some extent, but I think the suggested solution would be a disaster. I do agree though that it would be a challenge to fit a Disney Sea in the available space. I also think that some of the Epcot ideas wouldn't really work very well. I however, do think that the park should be much like a Disney Sea park in some stylistic ways, because that is the direction that represents much of the modern idea of what a Disney theme park can be. If anything I think the biggest problem with calling it a Disney Sea would be that it would innevitably disappoint a lot of people.

    I do think the park needs some some organizing principles though. It needs to be fairly focussed, but also broad enough to incorporate many future themes. I think what we'll see is more of what we've seen to some extent recently, the park will likely will incorporate some attractions from other parks and most of the lands will blend historic and fantasy elements in a way simmilar to TDS, but likely it will have even more animated characters.

    Since that is likely to be the case, they need to come up with a creative framework to tie them all together and be very selective in the attractions that they clone to make sure they fit the theme and feel of the park and the land they occupy. If they do not focus on creating a variety of interesting themed environements the park will fail to find an audience and many aspects of TDS are examples of what WDI should do for the third gate. Some of the elements that I do think they should borrow from TDS are an overall concept that ties the lands together, an international feel, and the sort of mix of historic and fantasy environments and of course the attention to detail.
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    No "third gate" at all, please. Two parks already is too many.

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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    i like the term "Island Kingdom" for some reason. Disney should own this quickly.
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    The themes of epcot and Tds are too different to mix. I don't think it would work.

    Now a Disney sea like park, but with different ports would be amazing!
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    I'm pretty sure that if they opened a third gate that was great from the get-go, they would have a serious problem... unless DCA was completely fixed by then... no one would visit DCA at all!

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    Hmm... I don't really think this could work all that well. DisneySea and Epcot are two different parks and VERY unique... I don't think either of them can be copied, especially at DLR, where there is no space for a large park like Epcot, or a sea for DisneySea. I like the premise, I think it would be fun, but I don't know how well it would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micoofy Duck View Post
    i like the term "Island Kingdom" for some reason. Disney should own this quickly.
    I thought of Island Kingdom. Then, I checked to see if thename was in use. Turned out that a small amusement park operates under this name. It is a good one, though.
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    Re: "Disney Sea West" 3rd Theme Park - Ride Along The Perimeter

    California is located in the Eastern Pacific. So shouldn't the park be called "Disney Sea East"?

    Just wondering...

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