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    Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Okay, to me at least, it seems that everytime a post about a new ride comes out everyone wants it to be a big cost project that will "WOW" us... Why can't Disney just do something simple and on the cheap without being criticized? Even though Disney is a Huge Corp. they still have to think about the bottom line and we have to remember how much they are spending just to fix DCA so wouldn't it be okay if they changed a Non-themed ride on the cheap? (ex: Golden Zephyr, Jumpin' Jellyfish type of rides) Disney is not just for us Adults, but for kids as well and I'm sure they wouldn't mind a simple low budget attraction... Okay, what are your thoughts?
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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    BLASPHEMOUS! Disney MUST outdo itself each and every time it brings out something new, regardless of the cost. Disney has set the bar so high for itself and if it doesn't exceed expectations each and every time it decides to do something, whether it's a new show or a new bench color, I am unhappy. Look how it's failed - Magical is crap compared to RDCT, CASP is crap compared to POD, Fantasmic! has a broken dragon and a broken croc and I'm sure Flotsam/Jetsam won't last long. All in 2009! Cutting corners and saving money is not Disney, just look at DCA and how unsuccessful it is. Low budget attractions are for lesser parks and don't belong anywhere near Anaheim.

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    If Disney were suffering financially, or if ticket prices weren't steadily increasing to more and more ridiculous rates, sure. But, as you said, they're a big corporation, and they're constantly bringing in even more money. Making theme parks is expensive. That's the nature of the beast. Invest big (and well!), and you'll get big returns.

    However, I see a grain of truth in what you're saying - not every new attraction can be the biggest thing they've ever done. That's impractical. But that doesn't give them an excuse to abandon the most fundamental concepts like entertainment value and theming and so forth.

    And I can't speak for all kids everywhere, but I know I certainly didn't exhibit a preference for the cheap stuff.


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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DSNE1995 View Post
    Disney is not just for us Adults, but for kids as well and I'm sure they wouldn't mind a simple low budget attraction...
    But they need those big budgets! What's going to pay for the TDA building full of executives who give endless revision notes to the artists at Imagineering? What's going to pay for their company cars? Their stock options? Those cool electronic doors and video screens that TDA is filled with? Not to mention the 50% tacked on to redo everything after it gets screwed up the first time? Like the TDA motto says, "You gotta spend money to lose money."

    Please don't cut TDA's budgets. And in the meantime, anything that can be done to blame DLR's customers for TDA's budget overruns -- especially those pesky internet fans who are never satisfied with TDA's wonderful work -- will be greatly appreciated.


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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Because the adults are the ones with the disposable income to spend on admissions, and they are the ones you have to impress into spending the dough - kids are an expense, they don't buy their own way in.

    (Well, unless that child has a SAG and AFTRA card and a Coogan Act trust fund that is already at seven figures... But that's a totally different story.)

    That said, it doesn't have to be ultra expensive to work, traveling carnivals prove that all the time with their cheesily painted sheet-metal backdrops and rubber-chicken class props - but then again, that carnival is there for three or four days and then off to the next town and another vacant lot. You won't see that same mix of rides and shows again for a year at least, probably two or three depending on the locale.

    Disneyland and the like are nailed to the one location and the people have to come to them, and people do come back. So they have to offer repeatable rides and attractions with enough depth of theme and theatrics to stand multiple rides and/or viewings, and people are always spotting something new they never noticed before.

    Now the one thing that can cut budget bloat is to have the design totally nailed down before the first shovel breaks ground - but they never really know for sure an effect will work before they do it for real, so that tends to drive up the construction costs of a Disney ride a lot.

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Well...yes and no.

    You put in two DCA rides (Jumpin' Jellyfish and Golden Zephyr) as 'low cost rides'. How many rides of these kinds are in Disneyland? Teacups, Dumbo and Astro Orbiter come to mind. 3.

    How many of these rides are in DCA? Jellyfish, Zephyr, Orange Stinger and some of the bugs land rides come to mind. So...6-ish.

    My point is that low budget rides are fine but not in abundance like in DCA(DL has HALF as many 'cheap' rides as DCA does)
    and that low budget rides are fine IF they are WELL THEMED (All the above mentioned rides at DL are pretty well themed...the same is not true for about half of the DCA rides).
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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dl_appurtenant View Post
    Well...yes and no.

    You put in two DCA rides (Jumpin' Jellyfish and Golden Zephyr) as 'low cost rides'. How many rides of these kinds are in Disneyland? Teacups, Dumbo and Astro Orbiter come to mind. 3.

    How many of these rides are in DCA? Jellyfish, Zephyr, Orange Stinger and some of the bugs land rides come to mind. So...6-ish.

    My point is that low budget rides are fine but not in abundance like in DCA(DL has HALF as many 'cheap' rides as DCA does)
    and that low budget rides are fine IF they are WELL THEMED (All the above mentioned rides at DL are pretty well themed...the same is not true for about half of the DCA rides).
    I'd argue that most of the rides in Fantasyland were relatively inexpensive to create, it's just a matter of theming. Everything is a simple idea, it's just the execution that makes it look fancier and costly.

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    If you look at their history, the last few projects that they've done cheaply have mostly failed. They're not popular with guests, and are complained about.

    Disney is supposed to set the bar high for itself. When it didn't, things got lackluster and disappointing...even dangerous. The Pressler era is a good example. We got all these attractions taken away, got a few new ones that were cheap and disappointing, and at the same time maintenance on attractions wasn't as much of a priority and that string of accidents at the park happened. That's not just a coincidence. You really get what you pay for.

    If Disney doesn't try to raise the bar, we'll never see anything new or exciting - a company should not strive to simply be "good enough" or just slightly better than the competition. One should always strive to do their best (within reason, of course).

    This isn't to say that every new attraction has to be an E-ticket - that's not what we're all calling for here, IMO. But it should be of quality, yes? In Cars Land, while we get one new E-ticket, we're also getting two lower ticket attractions, but they still raise the bar and look like a ton of fun (specifically the floating tires). That attraction will not be the biggest and newest thing, but it will be something unique with a refinement on that technology, and it sounds like it will be a lot of fun.


    As for citing some of the smaller Paradise Pier attractions, they go against why Disneyland was originally built. Walt went to a little fair with his kids, and sat on a bench while they rode the merry-go-round, and was bored and frustrated. He wanted to create a place where the whole family could enjoy things together, and something of high quality. He mostly stuck to that philosophy, though would sometimes deviate - but if he did make something that deviated, it still was given a timeless Disney flair. IMO, the small Paradise Pier attractions lack a certain amount of charm.

    The Orange Stinger is still keeping the same basic ride, it's just being given Disney inspiration thematically.

    Since Paradise Pier is supposed to be a pier, I can't really fault Disney for making generic pier attractions. I think what WDI is doing now to the area is a step in the right direction. Now if only the boardwalk games would give you Disney plushies...

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    We've just had 8 or so years of cheap rides, so apparently not...
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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Well, the bigger the budget is, the more you can do with the ride. However, Disney has done some cheap new additions right like Pixie Hollow. It's very well hidden and well done. Sleeping Beauty Castle turned out nice. House of the Future was a good addition to the otherwise sorry Innoventions. So you can do good things on a smaller budget.

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Disney is not Six Flags. If you look at a Six Flags Magic Mountain they have 15 Flat rides with no theming. Disney is a cut above the rest. Six Flags is the most unthemed trash dump. DCA is even better than the best Six Flags park. Perents don't like their small kids going to Six Flags. They like Disney because thier parks are clean and kid friendly. After all the perents are the ones paying.
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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DSNE1995 View Post
    Why can't Disney just do something simple and on the cheap without being criticized?
    Disney doesn't get criticized for budgets. Disney gets criticized for its showmanship.


    Quote Originally Posted by DSNE1995 View Post
    ...we have to remember how much they are spending just to fix DCA...
    You've got it backwards. They have to remember who screwed up DCA in the first place. We have to remember we're getting charged top dollar prices by a company that advertises itself as the top creator of top dollar family entertainment.


    Quote Originally Posted by DSNE1995 View Post
    ...so wouldn't it be okay if they changed a Non-themed ride on the cheap?
    No, it wouldn't. Disney not only has decades-long standards to uphold, they charge their customers a premium price for a premium product. They need to deliver on what they advertise, on what they promise, and on what we're paying for.

    See, I'd have to disagree with the underlying philosophy of your post. You're saying that Disney's customers should cut it some slack so that Disney can make more money by doing a cheaper job on their product. Disney isn't a charity, it's a gigantic corporation. Crying poor for Disney makes no real-world sense.

    I'd also disagree with your assumption that bigger budgets = better attractions and cheaper budgets = poorer attractions. Run those equations past Bob Gurr sometime and see what kind of reaction you get.


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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    The whole point of Disneyland is to exceed your expectations, have incredible theming, and be of great quality. In my opinion the cost of this doesnt matter, as long as those criterias are met.

    I dont exactly think that everything needs to be high dollar rides, but everything DOES have to be of the highest quality, and have great theming.

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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by junglecskipper View Post
    Disney is not Six Flags. If you look at a Six Flags Magic Mountain they have 15 Flat rides with no theming. Disney is a cut above the rest. Six Flags is the most unthemed trash dump. DCA is even better than the best Six Flags park. Parents don't like their small kids going to Six Flags. They like Disney because thier parks are clean and kid friendly. After all the parents are the ones paying.
    And look how well Six Flags is doing.
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    Re: Does Every New Ride have to cost some big $ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    No, it wouldn't. Disney not only has decades-long standards to uphold, they charge their customers a premium price for a premium product. They need to deliver on what they advertise, on what they promise, and on what we're paying for.
    $5.42 a month is not a premium price. Yearly admission to Disneyland costs about as much as a Netflix account now.

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