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    Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Most of you Disney enthusiats know why he built Disneyland, but something really bothered me.

    According to the story, Walt would take his two daughters to some of the areas around SoCal. In it, he would sit around eating peanuts and watched as his children would ride the Carousel. To me, it is very ironic that Disney would have a carousel in Disneyland.

    I guess my question is: didn't Disney want to get away from that?

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    You can't have a theme park without a carousel!

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker View Post

    According to the story, Walt would take his two daughters to some of the areas around SoCal. In it, he would sit around eating peanuts and watched as his children would ride the Carousel. To me, it is very ironic that Disney would have a carousel in Disneyland.

    I guess my question is: didn't Disney want to get away from that?
    Perhaps, but maybe it all started with a carousel? and a mouse?

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Read Walt's Biography that they sell at the parks, it's actually really interesting. Included is a statement that the original park he wanted even included a carnival area complete with everything he apparently "hated".

    Walt didn't think that everything was bad, there was a lot of sentimentality behind the move to add the carousel. I think it was more the cleanliness, execution, and the service that he disliked. He also wanted things for parents to do as well. But he thought that some things should be specifically for the kids, that's why there is a carousel in Fantasyland, because it's the children's land.
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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Actually Walt Disney wanted to take his kids to amusement parks and carousels but without the drunks, lewd behaviour, and dirtyness that sometimes the amusement parks had. He wanted a safe, clean and happy place for kids to play without the fear of the kids getting hurt or running into not so nice people. My mother can better elaborate on stories of what the Pike was like. Dad worked as a carnie for a while back in the 1930's r 1940's and had some choice stories also about fairs and amusement parks.

    I think a carousel fits the Walt Disney dream very much.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Manning View Post
    You can't have a theme park without a carousel!
    woooo!


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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    IMO, he placed a carousel in Disneyland precisely because of watching his daughters ride one over and over again. If you're building a place "where families and children can have fun together" then it makes sense to have a carousel where the parents can ride with their children instead of merely watching them go by every few seconds.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    I pretty much agree with the others, I think this one story has been vastly overstated and often sighted by MCers to imply that Walt was against anything carnival related. It was much more about specific aspects the problems with those places at the time, not the specific rides. He wanted to create an environment that all people would enjoy and a variey of attractions so that nobody in the family was ignored and all felt entertained. If anything hearing Walt tell the story, and knowing what we know about him, it was not that he didn't like amusement parks, he liked them so much he wanted one done right, that would excite him just as much as his girls.
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    Cool Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Maybe he didn't want to be too radical. Maybe he wanted to have more traditional rides in case his sorts of rides would prove to be unpopular. Idk, it's just a thought.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    I'm pretty sure Walt wasn't against drunks, just check out a certain pirate attraction or the exit of Club 33. I think he was against kids only rides like Bugs Land. The King Author Carousel is perfectly fine for adults. I ride it all the time with no ill effects. Plus, there's a lot of theme and other stuff for an adult to check out while on the ride.

    As far as Walt's intention, he did state he wanted rides an entire family could enjoy. Like many ambitious plans, I would expect to see a first pass, then improvements. I think Pirates clearly shows the direction Walt was going and it's consistent with his statement.
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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    I have said this before.. there is no Walt Disney quote that specifically says he hated carnival rides. at least none that I know of? like the previous posters said - Walt said his park wasn't going to be dirty like the old carnivals but he didn't mention the actual rides.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Walt Disney was on the west coast so he would have gone to places like the Pike in Long Beach, CA. There were some places like Jungleland and the Alligator Farm but mostly there was seaside amusement parks in the 1940's and 1950's.

    Pike Stories, Long Beach, California
    It can be graphic but talks about the drunken sailor who plunged to his death and other graphic details. Not recommended for kid reading but if you want to know why Walt Disney wanted a park like Disneyland then read what it was like at amusement parks.

    Walt Disney did not say he abhorred the amusement parks and fairs but that there was no safety for little kids, unsavory visitors, and the tawdry view of the parks. Nowadays if a person was making out on a ride, very drunk, disturbing guests, or otherwise a menace to other guests then they are escorted to jail or the street. Nowadays Disneyland is a model of public safety, cleanliness, and safe food. That is what Walt Disney did with Disneyland and rides did not matter. Dumbo is basically a carny ride as is Snow White which is like the fun houses that you would ride through.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepless Knight View Post
    IMO, he placed a carousel in Disneyland precisely because of watching his daughters ride one over and over again. If you're building a place "where families and children can have fun together" then it makes sense to have a carousel where the parents can ride with their children instead of merely watching them go by every few seconds.
    I absolutely agree! (I'm bumbershoot elsewhere, SK) I personally try to not be the one to ride with my kiddo, because round-and-round isn't my fave, but it's nice to be able to do so with enough space to stand there helping DS hang on.

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    I think he was against kids only rides like Bugs Land.
    Since WHEN is bug's land kids only?????? If I'd had time on my first solo trip, I would have gone in there on my own! It's a great little area, not for kids only. Sure, Tuck and Roll is a tight fit, but they have a gas pedal on the left that's further away than the close-up gas pedal on the right...definitely adult-friendly in that way. And the Ladybug Boogie? Teacups without the extra spinning, and with really fun music. Love bug's land, and I am most definitely not a kid anymore.

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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    From a purely construction based standpoint compare King Arthur's to King Triton's. King Arthur's is extremely well done, beautiful, every attempt was made to make it believable and beautiful. All the "guts" are covered and embellishments are made in every detail. King Triton's is something you would expect at a State Fair or local Zoo. The animals are nice, but that's where the details end. All the "guts" can easily be seen simply by looking up... and what details are present are minimal at best.

    Walt wasn't against a carousel, he was against poor execution.
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    Re: Carousels- Didn't Disney want to get away from that?

    I once knew a bumpershoot or something like that but she was a diva and that is past. No crying over lost friends, lol.

    I agree that Walt wanted quality experiences for the family. Dumbo is about riding in an elephant just like in the movie not some kiddie ride like the little cars and boats. The carousel is now disabled friendly and has pretty plants and stuff around it so it is not just a ride. It has eye candy for the people not riding. I think that is what makes the parks special is the details and the feeling that we are looking at something special. Even the trash cans are themed. Bathrooms are clean and themed.

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