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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    re: The abandoned plans for the WDW stretching room: I'm not sure I know which Paul Frees laugh you're talking about, but the whole setup sounds deliciously frightening. Here's hoping it might make its debut eventually.

    I rode Haunted Mansion at Disneyland tonight. Leota is still on the table, however, the floating ball which had been parked by the exit of the Seance Circle and covered with a black cloth appears to have been removed.
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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    With regard to all this 40th stuff. As far as I can piece it together, and thanks to Lonesome Ghost for the info I can't (yet) discuss, this whole thing has been a train wreck for WDI. As I said earlier (and no one commented on!), all of the merchandizing has been done in coordination with WDI this time, in contrast to their usual policies. Well, what do you think the merch has practically been yelling to us for the better part of a year? But like I keep saying, better to do it right than do it quick. I can't get mad at them for decisions based on quality control considerations. The important thing is that things are in the pipeline.

    I don't know when this Kidney-Daily duplicate thing came along. Whether it's been planned a long time or is a relatively recent addition, it doesn't matter much to me. It makes all the sense in the world to have this replica, which is going to be auctioned off, actually perform in the HM for a moment. Adds a lot to its portfolio, wouldn't you say? Enhances its value as an auction item. That's great for the person who ends up buying it. But it's great for the rest of the surprised guests at 9-9-09 too, because they get to see for one shining moment what the original HBG actually looked like during his brief stay. A one-of-a-kind, never-to-be-repeated opportunity. (You don't actually believe, do you, that if and when they put in a permanent new HBG, he will simply be a slavish duplicate of the old one? That's ridiculous. If and when they do it, he'll be a state-of-the-art illusion, with much more animation.)

    But now it looks like union rules have widdled ice water all over that birthday cake. No Kidney-Daily HBG in the HM for the 9th. I don't know what they're going to whip up for next month. Free balloons? Well, if you can't have an unveiling and you can't have a historical recreation, you can at least blow a horn and beat a drum and make an announcement. Meh. Sometimes you just can't win.

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    You don't actually believe, do you, that if and when they put in a permanent new HBG, he will simply be a slavish duplicate of the old one? That's ridiculous.
    While I expect to be state-of-the-art, my face is so classic, I hope that I'm not turned into a caricature/cartoon character-type figure, like my hitchhiking former colleagues.

    That would be tragic.





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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

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    Free balloons?
    I sure hope not. That might be acceptable if they're shaped like Hatters' head...


    ...and are made from solid gold.

    Seriously though, I'm gonna be pretty bummed out if Hatters doesn't make his
    grand return. I'd like to think that the replica was never supposed to be in the
    Mansion and that there's a shiny new AA on its way, but I really wouldn't be
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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    If Disney put out a "If you build a functioning HBG - we'll install it in the mansion!" contest, I'm sure they'd get dozens of free HBGs.

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreepy Karl View Post
    If Disney put out a "If you build a functioning HBG - we'll install it in the mansion!" contest, I'm sure they'd get dozens of free HBGs.
    ...and worth every penny!

    Seriously, though, this one is a challenge. The disappearing head trick is an absolute must, of course. One issue that people don't always take into consideration when they daydream about these things is simple durability. Whatever you come up with has to be able to run 20 hours a day, seven days a week without excessive maintenance during the brief turn-off period. It's a challenge to build any mechanical device that can stand up to a grueling schedule like that.

    But having said that, I still think my idea would work if they had room beneath the floorboards. Two sheets of glass--double Pepper's! And you can animate the head(s) anyway you please and as much as you please.




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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Regarding the long scream and the bones sounds, the scream could be a "rememberance" from someone who found the body, or it could have been the scream of the ghost host while he was jumping to his death. You know what they say, that drop seems to take forever, but since nobody ever came back from a hanging to tell about it, you have to take it as artistic license! The bones sound would have to have been an afterthought, basically saying that the ghosthost is now nothing but a pile of bones.

    Regarding my proof of being "first resident", I would have to agree with HBG2, the proof would have to be beyond a reasonable doubt, and the only way that you would know that, is if you were actually there on that day, and watched me walk into the mansion. Like in the O.J. murder trial, the one thing that always caught my attention, in all murders trials for that matter, is the fact that the jury has to judge him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. Well, if you were not standing over the body and saw the murder commited, wouldn't you have reasonable doubt? I know I would.
    Also, it says at the bottom of the forum page that I may post replies, etc. but that I may not post attachments. What the heck is that all about?

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post

    But having said that, I still think my idea would work if they had room beneath the floorboards. Two sheets of glass--double Pepper's! And you can animate the head(s) anyway you please and as much as you please.


    Genius! I've been developing a little miniature "look-in" HBG pepper's ghost effect, with the entire figure appearing and disappearing along with the head gag. I could not figure out the glass angles, how many panes of glass, where the figures are, how many figures, and all the messy problems with lighting (pepper's ghost effects are hard to light without looking sloppy or giving away the light source, or have the light source block the reflection; I would now ) It wasn't going to be a simple one pane glass effect like the Ballroom I did or the Madame Leota in shoebox.

    You're way looks like it'll work, I may give it a shot if I get around to actually working on the effect...

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

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    re: The abandoned plans for the WDW stretching room: I'm not sure I know which Paul Frees laugh you're talking about, but the whole setup sounds deliciously frightening. Here's hoping it might make its debut eventually.
    I think it might be the one at the very end of this video:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlR9YeewwJw]YouTube - The Genius of Paul Frees[/ame]

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Didymus View Post
    I think it might be the one at the very end of this video:

    YouTube - The Genius of Paul Frees
    That's the one, I'm pretty sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post
    Genius! I've been developing a little miniature "look-in" HBG pepper's ghost effect, with the entire figure appearing and disappearing along with the head gag. I could not figure out the glass angles, how many panes of glass, where the figures are, how many figures, and all the messy problems with lighting (pepper's ghost effects are hard to light without looking sloppy or giving away the light source, or have the light source block the reflection; I would now ) It wasn't going to be a simple one pane glass effect like the Ballroom I did or the Madame Leota in shoebox.

    You're way looks like it'll work, I may give it a shot if I get around to actually working on the effect...
    If you do it, you'll have to post video! I've been tempted myself to build a model. If I had the time and money...

    The biggest problem I foresaw was creating two HBG's that were perfect mirror images. But then I figured out that you could simply put a real mirror at a 45 degree angle in place of one of the figures and simply build a third black box off to the side with the figure in it. Then you could use two HBG big figs, no problem. You'd have to break off one of their heads, and probably re-do the hatboxes themselves, but that doesn't sound impossible. Obviously, this would be a decent-sized model.

    Pepper's Ghost with two sheets of glass was actually used theatrically:


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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    This makes me want to build a Pepper's fig for my Halloween party, but alas, it's Alice in Wonderland themed and not HM. Hmm, perhaps I could do a disappearing Cheshire Cat....

    EDIT: I'm sorry I keep bringing this up. Can you tell what's been on my mind lately?
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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Open_at_the_close View Post
    The image was taken after asking a CM to have a buffer of Omni's. Again I dont see any difference or really any clearance of room if WDI was actually tinkering with the HBG after park hours. I'm heading back on the 19th and 27th. Maybe I'll see something different; but I'll still keep an eye on that corner to see if anything is moved.
    I can't help but noticing a lack of dust in a certain place in the empty part of the picture, suggesting that someone moved something.

    And regarding ideas to pull off the HBG effect, isn't it just possible to build the entire Hat Box Ghost figure (sans head) in plain sight, and have only the head appear using Pepper's Ghost?

    Another idea I had for him was to stretch a scrim from one side of his gigantic collar to the other, fully hiding the head under blacklight until the head is illuminated from the inside.

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    Why not just make the WHOLE HBG with the peppers ghost effect? You would have to move the one pane of glass away from the doombuggy to get a better 3d effect, but I don't see any reason that it wouldn't look totally cool!

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    With only having a head in a pepper's ghost effect, it requires less space for a pit. I made a diagram here:



    But of course, there's always the scrim option.

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    Re: Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

    If you go with a peppers ghost effect, there would be a large issue with other things reflecting off the glass, wouldn't there?

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