Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect vs The Army of Darkness, or the Thread 5

[MasterGracey13]

No offense to you, but Master Gracey only exists on a tombstone: "Master Gracey laid to rest, no mourning please at his request."

The term "Master" indicates a young man under age 14, not the owner of the house as you suggest. The ageing portrait at WDW HM and later installed at DL HM is called Master Gracey by cast members but is not the official title of the portrait. Imagineering quickly changed a sign during the WDW remodel that suggested Master Gracey and the Ghost Host were the same person to remove the inclusion of Master Gracey. While the film calls the owner of the household "Master Gracey", the film strays often enough from the Haunted Mansion backstory that it can be discarded as canon.

So the ageing of a butler was perhaps a nod to the portrait, but the portrait is not Master Gracey nor is the butler. Thinking about it, it would be rather odd to have a portrait of a servant in a place of honor at the Mansion, but Disney has done stranger things.

You are correct, originally the Master Gracey tombstone was just a tribute to Yale Gracey. But over years of fan fic, Disney has finally acknowledged MG as the Dorin Grey Portrait.

[MasterGracey13]

The term "Master" indicates a young man under age 14, not the owner of the house as you suggest.

Also, the term "master" indicates the owner of property, or head of a household. ( I did my research before posting, I searched a numer of both online and regular dictionars, non of which say anything about age.)

[HMF]

You are correct, originally the Master Gracey tombstone was just a tribute to Yale Gracey. But over years of fan fic, Disney has finally acknowledged MG as the Dorin Grey Portrait.

Disney has never acknowledged (except in the movie which no longer counts) that Master Gracey is the Dorian Gray portrait.

[J Thaddeus Toad Esq]

I Have always thought master was a title used for a young male in a household also. There is legitimacy to the claim that the Master Gracey tombstone could denote the resting place of a child; consider definition 7 from the Oxford English Dictionary:

master
• noun 1 a man in a position of authority, control, or ownership. 2 a skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity. 3 the head of a college or school. 4 chiefly Brit. a male schoolteacher. 5 a person who holds a second or further degree. 6 an original film, recording, or document from which copies can be made. 7 a title prefixed to the name of a boy.
askoxford.com

This could have been the original intent of the imaginers when they came up with the clever epitaph to honor Yale Gracey, or not, we may never know. If Disney did in fact retroactively title the Dorin Grey Portrait master gracey, it is ret-con. The Portrait is in fact the same person that is buried in Master Graceys' Tomb (sounds like whose buried in who's buried in john brown's grave doesn't it?). This doesn't however link him to the ghost host as discussed earlier there is no logic to master gracey having to be the ghost host. As HB2 also mentioned Disney itself has taken a point to remove master gracey's name from a letter that should have been attributed to the Ghost Host.

So in summery...
Dorian Grey portrait = Master Gracey Tombstone
Master Gracey ≠ Ghost Host

[another geek]

Some folks brought up the "rainbow effect". As a bit of an A/V geek who suffers from this, it bugs me in the graveyard. I thought I'd provide some info for those who aren't familiar with it.

Short Explanation:

Rainbow Effect (RBE to some) is an anomaly produced by single-chip DLP displays (front or rear projection) experienced by a small percentage of the population. As it appears most commonly in high-contrast images and/or when movement is involved, the most common places that Disneylanders would see it are the black-and-white cartoons in the cinema on Main Street and our beloved singing busts. To those who see it, RBE looks like multi-colored trails around objects on the screen.

Long Explanation:

To produce an image, LCD and 3-chip DLP projectors use three chips; one each for red, green and blue. Each frame is projected simultaneously by all three colors to produce the full color image.

To cut costs, single-chip DLPs use a single chip and the beam of light passes through a rotating color wheel with filters for the various colors (some have just RGB, others also include cyan, magenta, yellow and white). This set up breaks each frame into the component colors and projects them in rapid progression on the screen. Your mind combines them into a full color image the same way it combines various frames into a motion picture.

Some people (it has nothing to do with visual acuity) can percieve these separate images under certain circumstances. Faster and more segmented color wheels cut down on the problem, but for some do not eliminate it.

So...(sorry to ramble) those who see RBE on the singing busts are seeing the image broken down into it's main color components due to the use of single-chip DLP projectors. The fact that the busts are a high-contrast image seen from a moving vehicle exacerbates the problem.

Hope I was able to contribute something to this great thread.

[BassBone]

Thanks, another geek, and welcome to MiceChat and The Thread!

[BoogaFrito]

If you REALLY want to do something amazing, how about a Magic Eye animated gif? You do the left and right in perfect tandem to preserve the 3D effect, and it should work.

Well, I gave it a go...




I also made a video version (without a .gif's color limitations):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBMKaWxwXmc&feature=channel_page"]YouTube - Haunted Mansion Blast-up Ghost (in 3D)[/ame]

[HBG2]

Oy vey, Master Gracey again.

Toad has nailed it.

When X Atencio wrote that MG epitaph, he clearly was using "master" in the sense of "master of special effects." Whether or not "master" in the sense of "expert" is something that might really appear on actual tombstone epitaphs is a pointless question, because if it is, then X simply employed it according to one of its regular uses, and if it is not, then X was punning. If fans have taken "master" as "master of the house," the same two options lie before us. It is either a normal and correct use of the term or it is a sort of pun. If the latter, then the only difference would be that X knew he was creating a word-play and the fans probably did not.

So put down those Oxford Dictionaries of the English Language and step away from the table, please. That whole debate, IMHO, is a waste of time.

Disney has for the time being given a tacit blessing to "Master Gracey" (also Ezra, Gus, and Phineas), so those names are quasi-official. Since they haven't formally committed themselves, however, WDI may revoke that blessing at any time, at which point they can repudiate the names in order to re-christen these characters as part of a new, official backstory (like the Constance story, for example). I don't mean to dash hopes, but the appearance of the cherished quasi-official names in low-level publications would not be enough to stop the bus. "Abigale Patecleaver" made it into a Disney magazine article, but that wasn't enough to ensure her survival, so you can wave around copies of catalogues with "Master Gracey" pins or "Ezra" bobble-heads all you want; it won't help you if WDI decides to really crunch down and implement a brand new, formal storyline with Real Names© for the hitchhikers or the Dorian Gray guy.

Technically, of course, they could go in there anytime they want and change Constance's or Madame Leota's names too, but realistically, that's about as likely as them changing "Mickey" to "Mortimer."

In my opinion, something like this has been going on with the MG = GH thing. Sometime in the last five years or so, WDI has become quite anal that MG is NOT NOT NOT the GH, whereas before I frankly don't think they much cared if people made that connection, even though it has always been the case that originally, the GH = Hatchet Guy. It makes me think they have got a storyline up their sleeves (likely an expansion of the Constance tale), and the GH = Hatchet Guy link will no longer be the answer to a trivia question but an integral part of the official story. The dramatic change of language in the new Surrell book is just the latest evidence that they're slamming the door hard, and I've been guilty of slamming it hard as well, because the handwriting is on the wall, folks, and WDI creates the reality. The appearance of Hatchet Guy's face in the Séance room and the surprise appearance of his portrait in the WDW CoD (no one there knew it was coming) point in this direction as well.

Just as the Todd Hackett documents have settled the opening date controversy for good, so also I have a hunch that Surrell2 is going to put the GH/MG thing to bed for 99% of the fans.

We shall have peace in the valley. Flowers will blossom. Haunted Mansion fanatics will once again recognize their deeper kinship.

[HBG2]

Booga, that is just about the coolest thing in the Western Hemisphere.

Future generations will rise up and speak the name "BoogaFrito" in hushed, reverent tones. Which obviously will take some practice.

[Mr.Fenwright]

That blast up looks like it should have something else, like it's wig was torn off.

[disneyfann121]

Well, I gave it a go...




I also made a video version (without a .gif's color limitations):

YouTube - Haunted Mansion Blast-up Ghost (in 3D)

Tres cool. And I can actually do the 3D effect on the video; I can't do it on photos for some reason (at least without risking a splitting headache). Anyway, nice job.

[Kreepy Karl]

"Where RBE gleams and tombstones quake" just doesn't have the same resonance does it?

Great pop up, Booga!

[HMF]

The appearance of Hatchet Guy's face in the Séance room and the surprise appearance of his portrait in the WDW CoD (no one there knew it was coming) point in this direction as well.
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Technicly we have two Hatchet Man Portraits.
We have this one in the load area

and this one in the Corridor of Doors.

[HBG2]

Kevin Kidney's got up a bunch of photos of their full-scale HBG replica:



Link: Kevin Kidney

[TheHatboxGhost]

Kevin Kidney's got up a bunch of photos of their full-scale HBG replica:



Link: Kevin Kidney

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