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    Re: Disney's America?

    Groover i was also going to point out that while some ideas were taken from the DA concept. They are not what make the bulk of the area. You still have the whole land of Hollywoodland. No to mention that the Pier we have is turn of the century 20th, there concept is 30th century which is not romanced but rather more carny. We have the whole addition of Carsland not mentioned, and Golden Dreams is not around anymore so what would have made DA work?

    Pretty much your stating that DA would have been just a disaster as the first years of California Adventure (sorry read on another thread we have to stop calling it DCA :P) therefore it just proves that any concept derived regardless of the parks theme was doomed just like CA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneyNEWdad View Post
    Groover i was also going to point out that while some ideas were taken from the DA concept. They are not what make the bulk of the area. You still have the whole land of Hollywoodland. No to mention that the Pier we have is turn of the century 20th, there concept is 30th century which is not romanced but rather more carny. We have the whole addition of Carsland not mentioned, and Golden Dreams is not around anymore so what would have made DA work?

    Pretty much your stating that DA would have been just a disaster as the first years of California Adventure (sorry read on another thread we have to stop calling it DCA :P) therefore it just proves that any concept derived regardless of the parks theme was doomed just like CA.
    Well actually, the California Adventure Concept would've worked but it was poorly executed by WDI.

    Disney's America on the other hand is a concept that would entice historians and Civil War Reenactment groups.



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    ^ Which make up the bulk of the American and international travellers?
    And the same park would have been built by the same WDI team no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneyNEWdad View Post
    ^ Which make up the bulk of the American and international travellers?
    And the same park would have been built by the same WDI team no?
    Heres the thing, before DCA there was supposed to be our version of Epcot that was known as Westcot. That was scrapped for some unknown reason and the WDI team then put their best on the concept board. At the same time, Disney's America was being planned.

    The California Adventure concept seemed to be rushed as it already failed in the first few months alone. If they had more time to work on the DCA concept like they did with the Westcot and Disney America Concept then it would be a sucess and we would only expect the new Carsland and WOC.



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    Re: Disney's America?

    ^Granted. And unfortunately i never paid as much attention to disneyland back then as i do now.

    However, im stating that Disney's America from what Groover was stating in showing the relation to California Adventure would have been the same disaster. Time, Money and Budget Cuts cant be speculated only seen when the product is finished. Who knows the same fate could have been for Westcot.

    Im just stating that in a comparission of Disneys America and California Adventure i dont think DA would be more sucessful and the idea was scrapped not due to land issues...they had the land across from them. So in regards to the quote in Wiki the imagineers stated they scrapped the idea because of the combination of education and thrill rides.

    Therefore, a historic park by Disney, i think would not have been very interesting. At least for CA you have a non historic theme, and i agree with more time and money they could have pulled it off and the 2012 additions would not be lifesavers thrown into the water.

    So in a side by side comparission i would pick CA over DA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneyNEWdad View Post
    ^ Which make up the bulk of the American and international travellers?
    Newsflash for you... the bulk don't goto DL either. The concept was putting Disney America right in the womb of American history. An area within easy driving distance of Washington DC (a huge attraction in it's own right), within spitting distance of many landmarks of our Civil War, and within driving distance of many of our Revolutionary War elements.

    This audience already exists - Disney would have been tapping into it and expanding it.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneyNEWdad View Post
    Im just stating that in a comparission of Disneys America and California Adventure i dont think DA would be more sucessful and the idea was scrapped not due to land issues...they had the land across from them. So in regards to the quote in Wiki the imagineers stated they scrapped the idea because of the combination of education and thrill rides.
    It was scrapped due to 'land issues'. The area didn't want them! Many people feared what it would do to the rural VA area. A theme park on the scale of Disney can not be done simply as a 'by right' project. They need all kinds of special exceptions, infrastructure improvements, and they'd WANT the government to favor them so they can get the protections and controls they desire. They failed to win any of that support in VA so they cried uncle and moved on. They didn't get the government buy-in like they got in Florida and the project would have been an uphill battle. They fought it for awhile, and eventually gave up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Newsflash for you... the bulk don't goto DL either. The concept was putting Disney America right in the womb of American history. An area within easy driving distance of Washington DC (a huge attraction in it's own right), within spitting distance of many landmarks of our Civil War, and within driving distance of many of our Revolutionary War elements.

    This audience already exists - Disney would have been tapping into it and expanding it.
    That's exactly right.


    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    The area didn't want them! Many people feared what it would do to the rural VA area. A theme park on the scale of Disney can not be done simply as a 'by right' project. They need all kinds of special exceptions, infrastructure improvements, and they'd WANT the government to favor them so they can get the protections and controls they desire. They failed to win any of that support in VA so they cried uncle and moved on. They didn't get the government buy-in like they got in Florida and the project would have been an uphill battle.
    Bingo. I remember following the story at the time, and hearing the buzz that the local perception of Disney's 'tude was similar to when Eisner was playing hardball with Anaheim & Long Beach. Disney's attitude was popularly perceived as "you give us what we want, in the amount we want, when and where we want it... and we'll grace you with our presence."

    The response was as you might imagine.


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    They fought it for awhile, and eventually gave up.
    That's a polite way of putting it; another would be that they took their gold-plated marbles and left in a huff.

    To the point of the OP, as much as I would have liked to have seen DA built as DLR's 2nd gate, I sadly don't think it would have had long term viability there, nor in Buena Park, no matter how well executed the concepts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    To the point of the OP, as much as I would have liked to have seen DA built as DLR's 2nd gate, I sadly don't think it would have had long term viability there, nor in Buena Park, no matter how well executed the concepts.

    Yeah your probably right, but we have to at least give Disney credit for trying, . In a way, I wished that DA would be just DLR's third gate, since the alternative was to acquire Knotts Berry Farm and convert it to DA since the Independence Hall replica is there and the majority of what Walter Knott brought to Buena Park would've been intergrated to the concept.



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    Re: Disney's America?

    The whole educational/historical aspect of this park really bored me when I first read about it. Same goes for Epcot, so I'm kinda glad they didn't end up doing this. But of course, that's just me.

    Isn't there concept art for this somewhere? I know I've seen it before, unless it was some other Knott's concept art...
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    Re: Disney's America?

    This discussion reminds me of the original concept for DCA,WestCOT WestCOT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    which was supposed to be kind of like Epcot. idk why I thought of that....
    But anyways, I'm kind of glad that disney didn't build an American theme park. It's just that, I can't even sit through the hall of presidents, how would I sit through a whole theme park??


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    Disney is much better when they stick to history or classic literature. When they fail to ground their work in history, we end up with junk based on the hottest fad property they own. Do you really want a park with a Cheeta Girls Land or a Talking Cars Land? ... oops..
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    Re: Disney's America? HOPE NOT!

    I was in the park on the 29th with my pal Tanko. We spent most of our time in DCA and even saw DEP. It was her first time seeing it and my first since the revamp. After the parade, she noted how "distinctly American" the To Honor America unit was. She went on to say it was the most elaborate float in the parade and granted it was the final float; it was borderline nationalistic. I went on to tell her about Disney’s initial plans to build “Disney’s America” and her jaw dropped.

    This is one of those things that I’m glad never saw the light of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weirdo1221 View Post
    The whole educational/historical aspect of this park really bored me when I first read about it. Same goes for Epcot, so I'm kinda glad they didn't end up doing this.
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    I'm kind of glad that disney didn't build an American theme park. It's just that, I can't even sit through the hall of presidents, how would I sit through a whole theme park??
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    Aw Mr Wiggins why so glum? If it means anything I would've enjoyed Disney's America, I just think it would have received a lot of negative criticism. Which is why I'm glad it was never built.

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    Ya. I think it would still be part of the resort. After all MK and AK are WAY far away!
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