This thread is going to turn into what every thread turns into when it involves TDS. I'm sure that provided the same amount of money, we'd have gotten the Tokyo verison or better. I wish people would get over making comparisons about it.
Everyone needs to understand that Tokyo has money to burn. The DLR as of the last decade, not so much.
People need to understand it's not just the budget that has resulted in the recent run of lackluster product from WDI. It's the imagination, the vision and the desire as well -- in some instances, arguably, the primarily reason.
Originally Posted by brenden
I'm sure that provided the same amount of money, we'd have gotten the Tokyo verison or better.
Over the months, on threads like these, considerable good evidence has been offered to suggest that's a fantasy. WDI's creative, organizational and political problems run much deeper than just dollars.
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The problem with Winnie the Pooh at Disneyland isn't that we didn't get the Tokyo version, it is that we got a watered down version of the already watered down Orlando version!
I really don't think it's fair to compare ride versus ride from the other properties. At the time that Pooh was being built, Disneyland didn't really need a large E ticket scale ride like the Pooh ride in Tokyo.
A few years later they spent about the same amount of money that Tokyo did to build the Finding Nemo ride, and it's hard to argue that the Submarines at Disneyland aren't better than the Submarines at TDL.
Sometimes I wonder if they complain in Tokyo about Anaheim getting all the good stuff.
As Dustysage said, the DL Pooh fails even compared to FL's version, which is also called the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. It all stems down to three things IMO.
First, there's the ride vehicles. The DL version's vehicles are too big, and thus the sets had to be moved further away, giving the ride an empty feel.
Also, instead of following the Blustery Day storyline as FL's does, they decided to rearrange the scenes into something incomprehensible.
Finally, WDW's version is done with normal show lighting, while DL's is all blacklight, giving it a colder look and feel. There's no point in making the Tokyo argument though, as the two versions are not even comparable.
If they'd only tone down the saturation on the paint, I'd be much happier about the ride. That, and if they'd add actual physical transitions from scene-to-scene (walls and doors), I think it'd the transitions would work a little better. This is the only dark ride that doesn't have doors between it's scenes. Seriously- think about it. Even Monster's Inc. uses doors between the scenes.
Two easy (albeit not cheap, I'm sure) steps to improve the ride.
I think that for the circumstances that the ride was created under it came out ok, yes, it may not be as spectacular as TDL's or even the one at Magic Kingdom but it is not that different from the Fantasyland dark rides which are always held in such high regard. The Fantasyland dark rides are starting to show their age as well with all the new technology that is available now, so Pooh shouldn't be getting so much flack.
I've only seen videos of the Tokyo version on Youtube, but it is awesome! It's a shame we couldn't get their version. Oh well. I think the ride could be a lot more popular in Fantasyland, but I also think Critter Country is a good place for it. I wish they ride were better, but I still love it
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The ride is disjointed, short, poorly constructed, and has no soul. For goodness sake, they make the vehicle start doing the floody place dance as soon as you enter and it just keeps moving until the end. They cut the wonderful Tigger effects that they use in Florida.
Very well said Dustysage. I still prefer Country Bears over The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. The ride was way too short and doesn't have that same element that the other dark rides have.
Last edited by MickeyMousePal; 08-11-2009 at 09:46 PM.