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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    In my opinion, Disneyland will always be a locally dominated short trip destination. This might be changed if the third gate opens and it can be marketed as a week-long destination resort, but who knows. Maybe Disneyland should be moved back to the top of the Resorts list on the go.com website and they could use an actual picture of SB Castle instead of Cinderella's Castle when its showing Disneyland. If California got some more marketing respect, it could become more like Florida. Oh ya, and raise those AP prices, and bring down the price of the normal entrance fees, that would help too.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    Not necessarily as many individuals stay elsewhere and rent a car for the day and park at Disneyland. Those individuals need a place to park.
    If all the lots are combined, doesn't Disney have close to 15,000-20,000 spaces of parking in Anaheim?

    If the average is 4 people per car, that's room for 60,000-80,000 people PER DAY.

    The only reason this parking situation has exploded is that the average number of people per car has gone down from 4 to almost 1. That same 15,000 spaces is now only enough parking for half the people coming to the resort.

    You reduce the number of AP holders and replace them with higher spending tourists, and automatically you get more parking spaces. Instead of needing 4 spaces for 4 AP holders, you need 1 space for 4 tourists. Awesome. Then you are free to expand your audience without the need for expensive parking.

    Making DCA larger to increase it's capacity and hold more tourists is great... not building a place for those extra tourists to park doesn't make sense.
    They have the space, they just need to kick the APs out. The APs are really only supposed to be a placeholder for the slower seasons anyway.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorD View Post
    If California got some more marketing respect, it could become more like Florida.
    Its not because of marketing, it's because the products they offered in the resort expansion weren't up to par (DCA, Paradise Pier Hotel, etc). They need more/better to make it a destination and need to attract people to THEIR hotels, not others.
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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    you can't keep adding parking - it's expensive and unproductive. They need to focus on reducing the NEED for parking.
    They spent $100,000,000 for that strawberry field and now they are converting it into a parking lot. If that's not a record for the most expensive parking lot, it has to be darn close.

    They do need to reduce the need for parking above all else. If 20,000 spaces isn't enough to park 60,000 people, then something is wrong.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkbeer View Post
    Now with the purchase of the property North of Pumbaa, Disney can make Pumbaa the main Parking area for those who exit Interstate 5 driving North towards LA.
    Do you know how much of the property to the north that Disney has bought?

    It looks like one smaller property and one larger property are in that area.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Have one question:
    Were they talking about building this Parking Structure...
    The only understanding I have, it's on other side of Harbor
    Harbor and what? I one do not know were is Pumbaa lot is?
    Thank You....

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyjeff View Post
    One thing for sure....when they build the 3rd gate they need to seriously consider making it a multi-deck theme park.

    I imagine 5 decks.....lowest deck would be a mechanical/utility level. The next 2 decks up would be parking. The 4th deck from the bottom would be backstage. The top deck would be the Theme Park itself or onstage.

    They could have a massive(like a half acre or so) elevator themed like a central plaza....imagine entering a Disney Park at it's center
    Going underground for the Third Theme Park could be done, and would be smart considering how much that land cost them... but it's too dangerous at this time (*Post 9/11/01) to put the general Guest parking down there. You could put the CM Parking, and Executive parking, or specially screened Guests and Handicapped down there, but the general public right off the freeway... Not such a good idea.

    Now they could (and really should) dig down that far and put a few levels of CM parking, and the Park's Warehouses and refrigeration and mechanical and support services. That would eliminate the need for a lot of the backstage areas that chew up valuable ground space - have a ramp where the Supply Semi's pull right in and back up to the loading dock, underneath the Main Gate, with the park open. With no solar heat load, they would save a ton on cooling the refrigerated and frozen warehouses.

    And on the upper 'basement' levels they could easily build large Theatre spaces, Coasters and/or Dark Rides - You load at ground level and the ride vehicles drop into the 'Show Building' underneath another ground-level ride. The only safety issues are enough exit stairs to get up to ground level.
    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    No doubt they have a short term problem.. and they already have plans in gear to help address the short term need. Long term, it's just not productive to keep adding parking.

    As I stated previously.. part of the solution is to reduce the dominance of the day trippers, and increase capacity per car. Both are angles Disney can work to reduce parking loads. Find creative ways to strongly discourage solo parkers and encourage people to stay multiple days, even if they are within driving distance. People at local hotels aren't consuming the vast majority of the parking.
    If they get a working PeopleMover or PRT or a transit Monorail, they could easily put all the AP Parking over at Anaheim Stadium, or further away than they do now - Problem Solved. If you want to park at M&F you pay like everyone else, no exceptions unless the satellite lot is already full.

    They tried that with restricting AP's to M&F only, but if you pulled in off Harbor at Timon Lot (when it was open) they let you in anyways. Which kinda makes the restrictions moot if anyone can break the rules with impunity.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    You reduce the number of AP holders and replace them with higher spending tourists, and automatically you get more parking spaces. Instead of needing 4 spaces for 4 AP holders, you need 1 space for 4 tourists. Awesome. Then you are free to expand your audience without the need for expensive parking.

    They have the space, they just need to kick the APs out. The APs are really only supposed to be a placeholder for the slower seasons anyway.
    Aaaaand the "you have to kill the patient to save him" contingent has checked in... Thank you for your contribution. (Nice guy, that Liver. Misguided, but nice. )

    They probably should either eliminate the SoCal Select passes (that are just 'Two-fers' on Steroids) or severely increase the Blockout days to the point where they don't impact the park as severely. But the regular APs they're still making plenty of money on already - the only hazard is guessing how many AP's will show up on any one day.

    Eliminating AP's altogether would generate a Whole Lot of Bad Will that they'd be decades getting out from under.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Pumbaa is the parking lot across the street from the Anaheim Garden Walk on Diseny Way, just east of Harbor (North Side).

    And FYI, Terminator 2 : 3D was built on the roof of the multi-level Frankstein Parking Structure at Universal Studios Hollywood with no problems. Also the Coke Zone Water Play area is on the parking structure roof, so you have even water features without a problem. Plus a Gift Shop, Restaurant and the entire queue area.
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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Its not because of marketing, it's because the products they offered in the resort expansion weren't up to par (DCA, Paradise Pier Hotel, etc). They need more/better to make it a destination and need to attract people to THEIR hotels, not others.
    This is true, they need something to better market as well. Which is why the part of the post you cut out was talking about expansion... haha

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Thank You Darkbeer for anwer to my question!
    I did not want share this tread to I knew !

    I think this be a good time for a new type "PEOPLE MOVER"
    from new Parking Structure to the gate
    as well another one from
    Mickey and Friends Structure
    also a walk way over Harbor .....
    If Disney fork out the money......which I do not think they would!
    Maybe they would spend the on a walkway only... ?

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    They spent $100,000,000 for that strawberry field and now they are converting it into a parking lot. If that's not a record for the most expensive parking lot, it has to be darn close.

    They do need to reduce the need for parking above all else. If 20,000 spaces isn't enough to park 60,000 people, then something is wrong.
    They spent $100M for a large tract of land for future expansion. They didn't buy it to make a parking lot. As a 3rd gate is probably 15 years away, it's better to use it for something than nothing and parking is a good use, for now.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by -Disneyland- View Post
    Do you know how much of the property to the north that Disney has bought?

    It looks like one smaller property and one larger property are in that area.

    Thanks
    I can't remember who mentioned this, but the property north of Pumbaa was the old (or current) Odetics and all the buildings on that lot are part of the company. So presumably Disney bought the entire lot.

    Hopefully someone can fill in the details of what was purchased.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Get to the cost to Build a Parking stucture is about $400 - $500 dollars Per parking space.

    We (FOA) and city of Laguna Beach did a parking Stucture cost report.

    this was a three floor parking Stucture Back in (2000)

    bigger cost for put it under ground parking and building (Hotel) V@GC
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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    Quote Originally Posted by akfandisney View Post
    Get to the cost to Build a Parking stucture is about $400 - $500 dollars Per parking space.

    We (FOA) and city of Laguna Beach did a parking Stucture cost report.

    this was a three floor parking Stucture Back in (2000)

    bigger cost for put it under ground parking and building (Hotel) V@GC

    And at $14/day, they'll make that back very quickly.

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    Re: Bigger Parking Structure ... How are they going to get people across Harbor?

    City of Anaheim May want Disneyland pay qand to build a transportation from Angle stadium or to Honda Center.

    Right

    Well Angle Stadium have the train station.

    Yes to far to go.
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