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    Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Whoever has vivid memories of the former versions of all these attractions before the Fantasyland 1983 makeover, please share. I've always wondered what they were like, if they were cheap, cheesy or maybe even better than the current version, it sucks that there are no videos of the former versions so please discuss.
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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    We got stuck on the Alice in Wonderland ride in 1968. There was an uphill portion and the car ahead of us was full of adults and wouldn't go uphill. It was in a room with giant dancing flowers. We stopped behind them and the house lights went on, the dancing flowers stopped, but I think the music continued. Two cast members escorted the adults out of the building. We were allowed to stay in our car as it was just me, my sister and our Dad. Then the house lights went off, the dancing flowers started dancing again, and the car ahead of us went on ahead empty. We continued the ride as normal. At the time I was disappointed because I thought it ruined the ride for us, but now I see that it was a unique experience. I think in the 1983 remodel they made the track less steep in that area. Last time I went on that ride I was trying to figure out where that happened but I didn't see any steep uphill parts. It was about halfway through the ride though. I remember there was a room about 2/3 of the way through that had giant teacups that blocked the track. Just before you would run into them, the teacups rotated out of the way. That was pretty neat and I'm disappointed they are gone now. The projected effect of the croquet ball flying from left to right was not part of the ride originally. I think that was added in the 1983 remodel or later. Right after that, though, was one room that was totally dark as you entered it, but there were loud explosion sounds and strobe lights flashed which illuminated the word "BANG" and cartoon dust clouds painted on the walls. That room was kind of scary for a kid. Then, before you go to the outside part, there is a series of doors you go through. Originally each one was painted with artwork of a door in fluorescent paint, and each one you went through the door was smaller than the previous one. The last one was only like a foot or two tall, and it seemed like you couldn't fit through it, but it opened. Now, those doors are painted with the playing card characters instead of the doors. Also, I'm not sure of this, but I don't remember the final "indoor" section just before you get off the ride being there when I was a kid. That section may have been added in the 1983 remodel. I seem to recall that before then, you just went down the outside part and that was the end of the ride. But I'm not totally sure about that - I am about all the others though.
    Also the Mad Tea Party was originally located sort of between the carousel and Dumbo, not where it is now. In the 1983 remodel they moved it closer to Alice.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    I wasn't alive yet... HAHA

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Weaver View Post
    Also, I'm not sure of this, but I don't remember the final "indoor" section just before you get off the ride being there when I was a kid. That section may have been added in the 1983 remodel. I seem to recall that before then, you just went down the outside part and that was the end of the ride. But I'm not totally sure about that - I am about all the others though.
    You are correct, the caterpillars went down the ramp and into unload. The switch-track (the room was vehicle storage at the time), as well as the pink caterpillar veering to the right are clearly visible in this photo:

    From here

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Thanks very much for the info. And thanks for the great photo - it also illustrates the basic architectural style of the pre-1983 Fantasyland buildings.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    look at that line for alice! the ending was rather aniclematic.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    As I recall the view of Alice at night from the Skyway was really beautiful with all the colored lights. And all of Fantasyland for that matter, was beautiful from the Skyway at night.

    Another view basically of the same thing, with a good view of the entrance and exit to the storage area mentioned, which is now part of the ride. I don't remember what was in that big tent with the blue and white stripes, but it was not the Mad Tea Party. In those days the Mad Tea Party was over by Dumbo and would be outside the left edge of this photo.

    Last edited by Bob Weaver; 10-19-2009 at 07:06 AM.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    The story and pictures are really interesting! I like the skyway view, too, because I never understood where exactly Skull Rock was, and how it fit into the small space where Dumbo is, seeing it in the picture makes perfect sense to me now!

    I wasn't alive before 1983, I was born a little over ten years later, so thanks for sharing the pictures and story, as I never saw FL before 1983.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    I don't recall Snow White , Peter Pan or Mr Toad being different than they are now. It's funny I absolutely do not remember skull rock or the pirate ship. I was 17 when Fantasyland was remodeled and I know that we went at least once a year. I clearly remember hanging out at the Fantasyland theatre when I was 14 or 15 on a very rainy day, so I know I spent time there before the 1983 remodel.

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    Thumbs down Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    I think the big tent with the blue and white stripes is the carousel before it was moved.

    I found a picture but I'm not sure if I can put links in here. I googled aerial photos of fantasyland disneyland 1960.
    Here are just a few of the key ingredients: dynamite, pole vaulting, laughing gas, choppers - can you see how incredible this is going to be? - hang gliding, come on!

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    I post this on another Snow White thread, but thought I would post this over here as well.

    Here is an overall gist of the original Snow White's Adventures:

    The ride first began with you entering the Seven Dwarfs mine. You entered through an enormous wooden door that was marked "Vault" over top, and Dopey at the side holding the door open for you. You then careened through the mines, which took up almost half of the entire ride, through creaking timbers and seeing more mineshafts in front of you at each turn (through the use of blacklit murals). You then saw six of the seven dwarfs all picking away and digging to the tune of "Dig, Dig, Dig." Before leaving the mines, you then saw a concerned looking Dopey appearing again, this time pointing a sign that read "Beware of the Witch!"

    The ride then went out into the forest, where Snow White's animal friends all stared back at you. Rounding the corner up ahead was the dwarfs cottage happily in the distance. However, the car made a sharp turn to the right, leading to the path where a sign pointed "Witch's Castle." The vultures appeared overhead of you, as you made your way through the portcullis of the Queen's Castle and finally into the dungeons. In the darkness, threads hanging from the ceiling gave the feeling of being brushed with cobwebs as you saw skeletons locked in the cells or chained to the walls. One skeleton even chanted "Go baaack! Go back!" while one actually lunged forward at you from the wall. Passing through an archway, the shadow of the Witch could be seen laughing up ahead. Rounding the corner, the Witch appeared, hunched over her cauldron and dipping the apple into it as smoke billowed from it. You then wound your way back through the dungeon, until the witch once again appeared, popping around from the side of the column and offering the apple to you.

    Crashing out of the dungeons, you then found yourself outside in the dark forest. Trees twisted and leaned towards you, as a mobile of bright leering eyes stared at you and floated behind the trees. Up ahead, the dwarfs cottage appeared once again, but instead the door flew open and Witch appeared once again with the apple towards you. You then wound back once again through the forest and toward the cliffs where once again the Witch appeared. This time she appeared on the cliff with the giant boulder above. She laughed manically and pushed the boulder down on top of you, and you then found yourself back outside in the loading area.

    Here are some wonderful pictures of the original Snow White's Adventures, courtesy of one of the E-Ticket's earliest issues.




































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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Quote Originally Posted by marqueemark View Post
    I think the big tent with the blue and white stripes is the carousel before it was moved.
    No, the carousel was closer to the castle. That tent was one of the Fantasyland food counters, as evidenced by the table and chairs surrounding it. Friend of mine who worked with me in TL merch had a younger sister who worked in FL foods, mostly at that location, sometimes at the Welch's Grape Juice Bar.
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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Quote Originally Posted by TightropeGirlLover View Post
    I post this on another Snow White thread, but thought I would post this over here as well.

    Here is an overall gist of the original Snow White's Adventures:

    The ride first began with you entering the Seven Dwarfs mine. You entered through an enormous wooden door that was marked "Vault" over top, and Dopey at the side holding the door open for you. You then careened through the mines, which took up almost half of the entire ride, through creaking timbers and seeing more mineshafts in front of you at each turn (through the use of blacklit murals). You then saw six of the seven dwarfs all picking away and digging to the tune of "Dig, Dig, Dig." Before leaving the mines, you then saw a concerned looking Dopey appearing again, this time pointing a sign that read "Beware of the Witch!"

    The ride then went out into the forest, where Snow White's animal friends all stared back at you. Rounding the corner up ahead was the dwarfs cottage happily in the distance. However, the car made a sharp turn to the right, leading to the path where a sign pointed "Witch's Castle." The vultures appeared overhead of you, as you made your way through the portcullis of the Queen's Castle and finally into the dungeons. In the darkness, threads hanging from the ceiling gave the feeling of being brushed with cobwebs as you saw skeletons locked in the cells or chained to the walls. One skeleton even chanted "Go baaack! Go back!" while one actually lunged forward at you from the wall. Passing through an archway, the shadow of the Witch could be seen laughing up ahead. Rounding the corner, the Witch appeared, hunched over her cauldron and dipping the apple into it as smoke billowed from it. You then wound your way back through the dungeon, until the witch once again appeared, popping around from the side of the column and offering the apple to you.

    Crashing out of the dungeons, you then found yourself outside in the dark forest. Trees twisted and leaned towards you, as a mobile of bright leering eyes stared at you and floated behind the trees. Up ahead, the dwarfs cottage appeared once again, but instead the door flew open and Witch appeared once again with the apple towards you. You then wound back once again through the forest and toward the cliffs where once again the Witch appeared. This time she appeared on the cliff with the giant boulder above. She laughed manically and pushed the boulder down on top of you, and you then found yourself back outside in the loading area.

    Here are some wonderful pictures of the original Snow White's Adventures, courtesy of one of the E-Ticket's earliest issues.



































    Cool photos do you have more?

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    Funny thing about Fantasyland is the fact that I was born in '81, but the earliest memory I have is sometime after the land reopened. I remember Pinocchio being new, or at least a feeling that the ride wasn't there before.

    One thing I heard about the old Fantasyland is that the dark rides were popular during the age of the psychedelics.

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    Re: Anyone Have Much Memories of Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice and Mr.Toad Pre-1983?

    [QUOTE=Koutesu;1055618573]Funny thing about Fantasyland is the fact that I was born in '81, but the earliest memory I have is sometime after the land reopened. I remember Pinocchio being new, or at least a feeling that the ride wasn't there before.
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    There was no Pinocchio on our first visit (1968). It was called the Fantasyland Theater and would show cartoons and short films for what I think may have been a 'C' ticket.
    It was as boring as watching paint dry, but the place was air conditioned to meat locker extremes and a great place to escape the heat for half an hour. I vividly remember sitting through one of the Winnie The Pooh shorts in 1968 on my family's first visit and knowing that I was already too old fior such nonsens. My kid sister loved it!
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