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    Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    Since Tomorrowland is supposedly going to be the next land to get a huge makeover, and boy does it need it, I've been thinking about what could be done to make it a better place. I'm a details person, so I've got quite a bit of stuff mapped out in my head, and I really think the vast majority of what I've put together would work. I've tried to keep it possible with a modest budget. Keep in mind that by 'modest budget', I mean there wouldn't be any exclusive new rides. A lot of this stuff would still cost a considerable sum, but I think everyone would agree it would all be major improvements. In no particular order, let's get on with it!

    Space Mountain:
    I know what you're thinking. It just got redone, right? But everything could use a little bit of plussing! I hate the 'deck' for a line. So I propose that gets plussed. Make a somewhat smaller scale House of the Future and plant it smack dab in the middle. It wouldn't be a walk through, but the windows could be frosted with some colored lighting behind them so that it could have some action (colors changing and whatnot). I'd like to see a few of the really awesome metal palm trees from the Magic Kingdom in Florida be put around on the deck as well, to maybe make it look like it's the yard. If you really wanted a story, some signs could be put up advertising it as a model home that will be for sale soon.

    Starcade:
    Gone. Replaced with a sit-down dining option, preferably based on Star Wars. Imagine sitting down in the cantina and watching a band of musicians dressed up as aliens playing. How cool would that be? I think you'd have lots of AP holders coming just to eat and spend money there. If possible, it'd be great if the food were generally healthier items. I'm thinking Blue Milk would need to be on the menu. Even if it wasn't the Cantina, it could still be some sort of outer space area with aliens. The servers could even wear green makeup to add to the ambiance. Maybe Cloud City based?

    Autopia:
    Electric! It'll be the highway of the future again. The back side of the park would smell so much better it wouldn't even be funny. Make all the cars retro-futuristic with 'spaceship' noises like the HKDL ride. I'd like to see LEDs embedded in the pavement so that it looks like you're driving through lanes (think white along the sides with yellow dashes in the center, but color shifting would be cool too). Possibly a few lit up sculptures along the way just for added scenery and to make it a bit different at night.

    I'd also paint or stain the Monorail/PeopleMover beams so that they blend in better with the trees. The highway of the future shouldn't look like it's under industrial infrastructure, right?

    The HKDL ride vehicles have a couple of extra features that I'd probably leave out. Namely the safety dashboard and gauges. Those seem expensive. I want rides that will be easy to keep looking brand new, and that means the fewer moving parts exposed to guests the better. A molded plastic or fiberglass dash would work fine and stay looking good for much longer than pretty much anything else.

    PeopleMover:
    Fixed. Duh. Make it have the linear motors like the TTA at Magic Kingdom and the Submarines next door. Have the loading station right in the center of Tomorrowland again. Basically exactly the same thing everybody has been begging for. If possible, I think it would be great if the vehicles themselves lit up at night. It would be really cool to see them traveling along above your head like the Coke trucks at Christmas (but in more colors).

    Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage:
    Use the computerized projections to the full extent of their abilities. Give a different ride every time! There's really not much more to be said, other than making it not follow the story line of the movie like EVERY OTHER ATTRACTION WITH NEMO IN THE NAME.

    Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters:
    I'd like to see some more animatronics. Make more of the targets move. Maybe make Zurg an animatronic that aims at you. Fix it up a bit in general. Otherwise, I'm a fan of BLAB even if everyone else isn't. I think that with other additions to Tomorrowland and the increased foot traffic they would bring, ride attendance would go way up.

    General Area Improvements:
    The usual. Make all the buildings have better themes. I'd like to see more lighting everywhere so that maybe during the day it looks like the classic blue and white but at night it's more Jules Verne. Some more shrubbery would be nice (hopefully without any black knights). I'd like to see the murals go, to be replaced possibly with simpler geometric shapes. Perhaps at night they could have scenes projected onto them, like a kaleidoscope.

    That's it for the simple improvements. I think all of the above could easily be approved, and shouldn't take too much of a budget to work. But you may have noticed I've left most of the east side off the above list…

    Innoventions:
    Gut the building. Move the exhibits into the Magic Eye Theatre space. Let's face it: 3D movies are no longer futuristic. Anything they put in there is going to get outdated fast. So use the space for Innoventions.

    Turn the Innoventions building into something akin to Listen to the Land at Epcot. Take off the roof and replace it with a greenhouse dome. There should be enough space up on the second floor for roughly 2 somewhat smaller greenhouse scenes like in the Epcot ride. Use an Omnimover system like on Journey into the Imagination with Figment where it allows for the ride vehicles to stop for loading and unloading. Have the ride load/unload downstairs and outside along the front of the building. The ramp from the second floor could be removed and the upstairs balcony space could be planted so that it's lush and might attract people over. I'd use the first floor for things that can be grown easier without natural light, such as fish farming or certain types of aquaponics. Use the ride to show ways that we can grow healthier and tastier foods in less space, with less water and possibly with less gravity. I'm envisioning a ride where you board and it goes straight upstairs to show what we've been doing with greenhouses and then goes back downstairs to show what we could be doing in space before unloading. It should take about 10 minutes or so to ride, and as an Omnimover attraction it should have a very decent capacity without a whole lot of staffing needs.

    Living with the Land is one of my favorite Epcot rides, just because I look at it and go "I could do that…" Rides that inspire people are something I consider vitally important to Tomorrowland. As a bonus to Disney, it wouldn't need very many expensive special effects to achieve it's goals. Fruit plants should be cheap in California.

    Mission: Space:
    Yes! It's an awesome ride. The technology is established. It should be done!

    Tear out Redd Rockett's and use that space. Since only about half the people actually want the more intense ride, there's really no need for 4 full centrifuges. Maybe put 2 downstairs and then use upstairs space more efficiently with the ride vehicles in a row. I'd like to see varying missions, kind of like ST2. Maybe have launch sequences where things don't go completely right, or trips that stop at the moon as a simple cargo mission.

    I don't know whether the current building could handle a conversion to a ride or not. It looks to be about the same size on Google Maps as M:S at Epcot, but a 2 story ride setup with half the centrifuges should take up less interior space. If nothing else, the building originally had 2 theaters in the round which could potentially convert into centrifuge rooms pretty readily. Regardless of what happens, I think the Moonliner should stay. It's a classic, and it could even be the weenie for the ride. It also needs to keep advertising Coke products, because you really don't want to make sponsors annoyed if possible. Coke would probably love the extra traffic from M:S, and would also love the lack of competition from a counter service restaurant right behind.

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    There are a couple of things I haven't mentioned in this, namely the Tomorrowland Terrace, Monorail, Star Tours and the Astro Orbitor. Tomorrowland Terrace is pretty much fine as it is, they've been improving that for a while now. Astro Orbitor isn't in the greatest spot, but my understanding is that the existing PeopleMover roof isn't strong enough to hold the current iteration of the ride or the waistlines of its passengers. Also, I tried to do this whole thing with an eye to a budget but still managing to make the place new and interesting for years and possibly decades to come. As such, I'd take new attractions over moving one that's working pretty well where it's at and requiring a huge unneeded structure be built. However, I would like to see the traffic pattern improved somewhat, especially during parades. Oh, and if the AO was moved back up on the roof it would show an awful lot of the backstage areas that don't need to be seen. I do think that the Observatron could use some sprucing up, namely in color scheme and lighting. But it makes a pretty decent sculpture that would be much more visible to people once the PeopleMover is running again.

    The Monorail just got redone, so that's probably staying the way it is for a while. I'd like a 4th one as much as anybody, but I doubt we're going to get it. Might as well just accept it and move on.

    Star Tours 2 is already on the way, so I didn't think a whole lot about that. But the above restaurant timed to the opening would probably do really well.

    What's everybody think?

    Oh, yeah. I Thought about a Light Cycles roller coaster, but I just can't see where they'd find the space. Sure, you could knock out some backstage stuff, but that brings the budget way way up. Besides, having 2 new rides in the area already would make Tomorrowland a hot ticket without it. If it's eventually built, I see it happening in DCA.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I liked your ideas. I think API's(Advanced Photonix) terahertz 4000, used to analyze paintings at the Louve museum in France, should be on display in Innoventions. I really liked your idea of having a Star Wars type bar atmosphere at a restaurant, the idea the Astro Blaster ride should have more animatronic figures, and the idea to use light in buildings to get a more dramatic change as night falls on Disneyland, which is, personally, my favorite time in the park, when night falls, the lights go on, across Main Street and around the castle.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    You've got some fantastic ideas for how to improve Tomorrowland .
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    Space Mountain:
    Make a somewhat smaller scale House of the Future and plant it smack dab in the middle.
    I'm not quite sure how to implement this inside Space Mountain. I like the idea of exhibits to entertain guests in the queue, but putting a house inside of a spaceport seems like an awkward piece of show.

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    Starcade:
    Gone. Replaced with a sit-down dining option, preferably based on Star Wars. Imagine sitting down in the cantina and watching a band of musicians dressed up as aliens playing. How cool would that be?
    Incredibly. This is a fantastic idea! Outside of putting an attraction inside the Starcade, this is the best use of the space idea I've seen.

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    Mission: Space:
    Yes! It's an awesome ride. The technology is established. It should be done!
    I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing Mission: Space in Tomorrowland, but I'm not really a big fan of the attraction in the first place so I'll just leave it at that for now . I'm all for ripping out Redd's though.

    Some fantastic ideas in here though, good work!

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    Thanks for the kind words
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    I'm not quite sure how to implement this inside Space Mountain. I like the idea of exhibits to entertain guests in the queue, but putting a house inside of a spaceport seems like an awkward piece of show.
    Not inside, up on the roof of the Magic Eye Theatre (to be Innoventions). You know how you go around the outside of the roof on the way from one side to the other? Put the replica in the middle. It would put something in that empty space other than kids running across to cut in line.

    As for Mission:Space, my idea for a slow ride in the Carousel building is to provide a bit of balance in the land. You'd have a fast ride and a slow ride next to each other, so the entire family would have good reason to be in the same area of the park.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I like a lot of your ideas, but there is absolutely no chance that Disney is going to put in a Land or Mission Space remake at DL. The restaurant is a great idea, the Buzz ideas are good, the Autopia is a must, and PM would be nice to see back, but it needs to step it up a notch from the old ride IMO if it is to return. I agree, SM should have improvements to the queue, but I'm not a big fan of your solution. I could care less if anything of Innoventions remains, but I agree, the future of the Magic Eye as a 3D theater certainly should be questioned. I could see a dark ride going into that location, and a new E-ticket completely replacing the old Carousel building. Personally, I think that ride should be an original adventure attraction, but if it was a Tron attraction, I'd be ok with that since that could fit that niche somewhat.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I like the idea of a walk through attraction above the Magic Eye as you queue through. Maybe not a house of the future. This would work better for Star Tours than Space Mtn., but a security checkpoint hosted by aliens before boarding for intergalactic travel might be fun.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    i love the cantina idea!!!

    why didn't i think of that before?
    oh well, at least someone came up with it

    but yeah i'm sure every star wars fan would love that!
    cause i know i do!!

    now that i'm all hyped up i'm more excited to go to class!!
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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    For Autopia, how about hovering astro-orbitors instead of cars? I agree that something should be done about the fumes. I feel for those who work the ride!

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I agree turn the starcade into a sit down resturant much needed in DL the cantina would be a good theme especially if star tours 2.0 is a cool as it sounds. Other then that I say bulldoze most of the rest of the land. Autotopia is outdated and not sure you can do alot to make it futuristic. the only thing to really hold on to is space mountain. There also seems to me to be a ton of wasted space in this area.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I think Innovations needs to go
    but it's such a great building
    I hate to see them ruin it more than it has been.
    I really think a show should go back in.
    Yes, shows can get outdated, but they also big ppl eaters...espec. that building.
    While the show was going on for others, they were able to load another group and the show kept going.
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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    Quote Originally Posted by DLFreak71 View Post
    I think Innovations needs to go
    but it's such a great building
    I hate to see them ruin it more than it has been.
    I really think a show should go back in.
    Yes, shows can get outdated, but they also big ppl eaters...espec. that building.
    While the show was going on for others, they were able to load another group and the show kept going.
    YES that how I feel about Innovations building also.
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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    Quote Originally Posted by DLFreak71 View Post
    I think Innovations needs to go
    but it's such a great building
    I hate to see them ruin it more than it has been.
    I really think a show should go back in.
    Yes, shows can get outdated, but they also big ppl eaters...espec. that building.
    While the show was going on for others, they were able to load another group and the show kept going.
    While I agree with everything you say here, I honestly don't know if WDI has the right kind of talent anymore to design such a show. The last time they had a new AA show at DL was when the Country Bear Jamboree was revamped in the 80's. The last completly new all AA show before that, was America Sings in the mid 70's (Essentially it's been 35 years since anyone at DL created an all AA show). It's all about 3D movies now which can easily be contracted out for production and require considerably less maintenance as an attraction (Captain EO, HISTA, Muppets, Bugs Life; even TSM and Star Tours II [And though not 3D, Soarin']).

    I hate to say it cause I would love to see one come back to that building but it's just not what they do anymore.
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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    I like most of your ideas, except Mission: Space. I really don't think that ANOTHER attraction themed to space travel is necessary, with Space Mountain and Star Tours. Unless you want to replace one of those, which is another idea I wouldn't agree with. Plus, Redd Rocket's is my favorite restaurant in the park.

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    Re: Another new Tomorrowland! Actually feasible this time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Advent View Post
    Mission: Space:
    Yes! It's an awesome ride. The technology is established. It should be done!

    Tear out Redd Rockett's and use that space. Since only about half the people actually want the more intense ride, there's really no need for 4 full centrifuges. Maybe put 2 downstairs and then use upstairs space more efficiently with the ride vehicles in a row. I'd like to see varying missions, kind of like ST2. Maybe have launch sequences where things don't go completely right, or trips that stop at the moon as a simple cargo mission.

    I don't know whether the current building could handle a conversion to a ride or not. It looks to be about the same size on Google Maps as M:S at Epcot, but a 2 story ride setup with half the centrifuges should take up less interior space. If nothing else, the building originally had 2 theaters in the round which could potentially convert into centrifuge rooms pretty readily.

    Disney will NEVER rebuild mission space for a plethora of reasons- you will NEVER see a remake of that attraction. Sorry to rain on that parade

    The one thing that tomorrowland needs more than anything is an expansion of the night lighting. Tomorrowland has always been about movement. Sure, they can't fix the peoplemover really easily, but lights on the other hand- that isn't too hard...

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