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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Still, when the new ARTIC station opens, Disney needs to run a monorail or shuttle bus back and forth. It could be a quick trip if you took a train from Union Station in LA and switched to a monorail at ARTIC to be dropped off in Downtown Disney. They'd have to ensure one or two late trains leaving Anaheim 30 min after park closing to make it work. Let people depart Anaheim later and they'd probably leave their cars at home.

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    State officials expand road funds, relent on 405 Freeway widening
    By Dan Weikel and Jeffrey L. Rabin, LA Times
    February 26, 2007

    Relenting to the protests of angry commuters, state officials today significantly increased the amount of bond money they plan to allocate this year for road projects, most notably the widening of the 405 Freeway though Westwood and the Sepulveda Pass.

    The staff of the California Transportation Commission recommended today that $4.5 billion in bond funds be spent this year on dozens of projects statewide instead of the $2.8 billion initially proposed. The initial rejection of so many projects by the commission staff generated complaints from drivers and politicians, who both noted that voters had just approved a bond measure that will eventually fund $18 billion for various transportation projects.

    The protests were the loudest in Los Angeles County, where 28% of Californians live but where only about 12% of the transit dollars in the initial proposal went. Most of the increase in funding will go for carpool lanes on the 405, a project that failed to make a list of 43 highway and road projects deemed eligible for funding from Prop. 1B, the transportation bond measure that voters approved in November.

    The carpool lanes for the northbound 405 -- one of the nation's most congested freeways -- would run 10.2 miles from Interstate 10 to U.S. 101. State officials are recommending $730 million in state bond funds for the project.

    More funding was also recommended today for Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties. Those increases ranged from $17 million for San Bernardino to $134 million for Riverside. Those counties had also said they were shortchanged.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Antonio Villaraigosa has proven himself to be a real champion for transportation funds!

    Drive point home about 405 gridlock
    BY ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, Mayor of Los Angeles
    Article published 2/25/2007 LA Daily News

    CALIFORNIA voters approved a record $20 billion transportation bond last year because they believed it would help relieve traffic congestion on the state's busiest highways.

    Three months later, a proposed funding plan before the California Transportation Commission proffers a paltry vision that won't shave a split second from the worst commute in the nation: northbound Interstate 405 through the Sepulveda Pass.

    This proposal was greeted with howls across the state, but the disappointment is especially pronounced here in the Southland, which bears one-third of the state's traffic burden.

    If the CTC's members had ever sat in traffic on the 405 during rush hour, they would surely agree that we can no longer afford to postpone investments in this critical roadway. At peak driving times, traffic on the 405 is as thick as freshly poured concrete. You can walk faster than the flow of cars, which idle through the day as frustrated drivers fume. Three hundred thousand Westside and San Fernando Valley commuters are subjected to this routine daily.

    During the election, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger pointed to the 405 as a prime example of the kind of gridlock Proposition 1B would address. Sixty-five percent of L.A. County voters approved the bond, putting their faith in the promise that the state's most critical needs would be addressed first.

    Now that voters have held up their end of the bargain, it's time for the CTC to do the right thing.

    The governor, the speaker of the Assembly and even members of the commission itself have expressed dismay at this shortsighted plan. They're standing behind the people of Los Angeles as we demand our fair share of transportation dollars.

    Twenty-eight percent of California residents live in L.A. County, yet under the current proposal, the region would receive only 12 percent of the available transportation funds. That's plain wrong.We were promised traffic relief, and we are paying for it. Promises made should be promises kept.

    Even the newspapers in Northern California, whose readers face critical needs for resources at home, recognize the fairness issue at stake. "Los Angeles is getting a raw deal," declared the San Francisco Chronicle. "Put money where it will help most," opined the San Jose Mercury News, adding that the current proposal's funding strategy is akin to "sprinkling a few gallons of water over a parched garden."

    For once, Giants and Dodgers fans agree!

    The CTC will take this matter up on Feb. 28. It's critical for the people of L.A. to add their voices to the growing chorus demanding full funding for the 405. Please take some time to let the members of the commission know that they shouldn't leave California's most frustrated drivers stranded.

    You can reach the commission directly by phone at (916) 654-4245 or by e-mail at [email protected].

    Antonio Villaraigosa is the mayor of Los Angeles.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Mayor seeks U.S. support for 'subway to sea' vision
    BY RICK ORLOV, Daily News
    2/27/2007

    Appealing to the Bush administration for more mass-transit money, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Tuesday urged Transportation Secretary Mary Peters to begin considering his vision for a "subway to the sea."

    "This is the busiest traffic corridor in the nation," Villaraigosa told Peters at a news conference at the Metro Red Line's [Purple Line's] Western Avenue terminus.

    "Where we are is an illogical stop in the Los Angeles subway. If we are serious about dealing with our transportation problems, we have to look at this subway."

    Villaraigosa acknowledged, however, that the U.S. Senate first must act to allow tunneling under Wilshire Boulevard for what would be at least a $7 billion project to extend the Red Line [Purple Line] to Santa Monica.

    "If this is built, I guarantee it will be the most-used transit system in the nation," Villaraigosa said.

    Peters sympathized with Villaraigosa's appeal and said the Bush administration has already allocated $500 million for various programs, including $80 million this year.

    "The mayor and his team understands what needs to be done to use cutting-edge technology ... to get more out of existing roads," Peters said.

    While no commitments on future programs could be made, she said the proposed subway extension is one of several ideas that could win federal support.
    Villaraigosa and local officials are scheduled to make at least one trip to Washington, D.C., next month to lobby for funds for transportation and other issues.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    UPDATE: The vote was held today, and the 5 and 405 are getting funding.


    5, 405 freeway projects boosted
    BY SUE DOYLE, Daily News
    2/26/2007

    Lobbying efforts to use state bond money to widen the 5 Freeway and add a car-pool lane on the 405 Freeway got a boost Monday when the staff for a powerful state panel backed the plans and dropped its support for other Los Angeles County road projects.

    The California Transportation Commission will vote Wednesday on the staff recommendations. Just last week, the staff had called for diverting most of the bond money coveted for the two highway improvements to other projects, including the 10 Freeway through the San Gabriel Valley.

    Gloria Molina, a county supervisor and Metropolitan Transportation Authority board chairwoman, called Monday's recommendations a mixed bag for the region.

    "Just as commuters on the 405 and 5 freeways endure significant traffic congestion each day, the 10 Freeway creates unbearable traffic congestion and pollution for many of the very voters who voted for Proposition 1B," said Molina in a written statement.

    The commission's staff report on Monday suggested using about $1.1 billion - nearly a quarter of the $4.5 billion in bond money for the entire state - on the two freeway projects.

    Under Proposition 1B - a $19.9 billion transportation bond that voters approved in 2006 - $4.5 billion was specifically set aside for congestion relief.
    Under the plans, the 5 Freeway would be widened from six to 10 lanes from the Orange County border to the 605 Freeway, and the car-pool lane would be added to the northbound 405 Freeway for 10 miles between the 10 and 101 freeways.

    If the latest staff recommendations are approved by the commission Wednesday, [upate: they were approved] plans are in jeopardy for adding car-pool lanes to stretches of the north and south Golden State Freeway, between Route 134 and 170, and to stretches of the 10 east. So are some other county plans.

    Molina and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa were in a delegation of county and city officials that lobbied last week before the commission in Sacramento during a public hearing after the staff's earlier funding recommendation.

    The staff proposed just $327 million for the region, far short of the $1.8 billion that MTA officials had sought.

    Officials also argued that the region, home to nearly 30 percent of the state's residents, did not receive its fair share of the voter-approved money.

    John Barna, executive director of the commission, said Monday's decisions came at the expense of other projects in the region.

    "If we had some more money in the south, we wouldn't have had to make a tough call with subtracting it," Barna said.

    Last week, Villaraigosa and other city officials urged residents to call the commission and demand their share of money that they voted for with Proposition 1B.

    That's all it took for North Hills residents Jan and Bob Renner to pick up the phone.

    Tired of living with freeway gridlock, the couple told the commission staff that they were counting on the money to free up the jammed up roadways, in particular the 405 Freeway.

    "We have so much traffic that we need all the lanes we can possibly get in order to relieve us," said Bob Renner.

    The clogged-up 405 Freeway weighs heavily on the mind of Woodland Hills' Marge Sheahan, who also called the commission last week after reading of staff recommendations. She said the additional car-pool lane for the 405 was touted during the bond election, which was why she voted for the measure.

    "That's why we vote for these bond issues," Sheahan said. "We're always hopeful that we'll see some results."

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Congestion relief projects first to receive bond funds
    Jeffrey L. Rabin, LA Times
    February 28, 2007

    The California Transportation Commission today approved $4.5 billion in bond funds for highway projects after stripping rural areas of long-sought road improvements in favor of the state's highly congested urban areas.

    After weeks of extraordinarily intense lobbying, the commission voted unanimously to approve the first round of spending for congestion relief projects. The infusion of funds — the largest in decades — came from a massive $19.9 billion transportation bond approved by the state's voters in November.

    Before a standing-room-only crowd at Irvine's City Hall, the commission quickly voted to divert $177 million from a project in Mendocino County to Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay Area and $29 million from Imperial County to other Southern California projects. It was a raw display of the political clout of the state's highly populated urban areas.

    The final package includes $1.2 billion for Los Angeles County, including construction of a carpool lane on the northbound San Diego Freeway from the Westside to the San Fernando Valley. The $730 million carpool lane devoured almost one-sixth of all the money allocated statewide.

    Also included was initial funding for a carpool lane on Interstate 5 from the Orange County line to the Interstate 605 interchange in Downey.

    At the urging of Los Angeles County officials, the commission agreed to add another $73 million for construction of a carpool lane on Interstate 5 in the San Fernando Valley, between state Routes 134 and 170.

    After a last-minute pitch from representatives of Orange and Riverside counties, the commission also agreed to partially fund additional lanes for the 91 Freeway from state Route 55 to Gypsum Canyon Road.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    So do you guys have any comments about all the latest transportation news?

    I for one, will love having carpool lanes to Downey. Now if we could get them all the way back to Burbank, we'd never have to worry about traffic snarls on the way to/from Disneyland.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    So do you guys have any comments about all the latest transportation news?

    I for one, will love having carpool lanes to Downey. Now if we could get them all the way back to Burbank, we'd never have to worry about traffic snarls on the way to/from Disneyland.
    Hate to break this to you, but when the main freeway lanes are totally snarled, sometimes the carpool lane isn't much better - that's the time when everyone that qualifies crams into them. (And a few that don't, figuring that the cops aren't going to start pulling everyone over for a head count.) Been there, Sat in that...

    The answer is mutiple choice. They have to add more lanes to the freeways and highways (I-5 all the way through L.A. County) finish off freeways that stop two miles before their destination (Pasadena Freeway).

    Push through more alternate routes for local trips (like making Ventura Blvd or Thousand Oaks Bl. continuous from SFV to TO) so you don't have to take choke-point freeways or go the long way around the mountain. Widen two-lane roads that are already carrying severe overloads (Laurel Canyon Blvd, Ortega Highway, et al) to make their capacity meet reality.

    And improve public transportation options dramatically, so the people it makes sense for can use them instead of the roads. Monorail & Light Rail good, Subway not so good - costs way too much to construct.

    Find an old Pacific Electric 'Red Car' route map and start by preserving all the right-of-way routes that still exist. Chart out where the transit flows are going. Then pick the most congested areas, decide on Light Rail or Monorail, and start laying track or placing beamway...

    Git-R-Done!

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    PS: Don't kid yourself about any altruistic goals, Antonio Villaraigosa is really a champion for only one thing - Antonio Villaraigosa, Period. Don't know whether his ambitions stop at the Governors Mansion, Congress or the White House, but he has plans... He spearheaded getting the transportation funds bumped up, sure - but he's also going to make sure to have his face and name plastered over every inch of the progress.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Certainly, The 5 needs carpool lanes from Valencia to San Juan Capistrano. That screwy downtown section might be a problem, though. Double-deck it, I say.
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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    OCTA are currently rehabilitating track (and laying more track) in preparation for expanded service. The goal is a train every 30 minutes between Fullerton and Laguna Niguel, 7 days a week, and quite a lot later at night, but there's quite a lot of talk about making it run all the way to Union Station since there's no place at Fullerton (or Buena Park, which is under construction and would be the northernmost OC stop on that line) to realign the trains.

    Also, the OC Register yesterday reported that funding has been provided to study a transit line from Huntington Beach to ARTIC (the fancy new regional transport centre they're planning to build) with a stop at Disneyland. This would be the "link" from Anaheim Metrolink to Disneyland that everyone has been waiting for, but it's many years off.

    I don't know how many of you are from Orange County but in OC we have Measure M, which is a half-cent sales tax (why tax here is 7.75% instead of the California standard 7.25%) that funds transport initiatives. OCTA, the Orange County Transportation Authority, controls the money and the projects that are funded, but the projects themselves are managed by third parties. This includes freeway improvements (funded by OCTA, managed by Caltrans) and things like surface street enhancements (funded by OCTA, managed by the individual cities) as well as transit.

    It's really kind of a model for how this sort of thing should work -- when a project is completed a synopsis of it appears in the Orange County Register. All the projects have been completed on-time with the exception of the 22 freeway expansion, and the vast majority under budget.

    When Measure M was renewed a few years ago, one of the things that was highest on the list was an expansion of transit in Orange County using the existing Metrolink rail lines. They've done a lot of surveys and everyone wants Metrolink to run more often, and later, so that someone who works in LA (like me) can have a business dinner and still take the train home. They're expecting to have this every-thirty-minutes business ready by early 2009. Currently they're working on expanding their weekend service on the OC line and OC/IE line. I don't think the 91 Line has weekend service yet but I could be wrong.

    So yes, at some point in the next several years you may be able to take reliable, safe, frequent public transit to Disneyland.

    And, for the record, though I live in Anaheim (midway between Disneyland and Angel Stadium) I use the Fullerton Metrolink stop -- it's nicer, the service is more frequent since it sits on two lines, has plenty of things around it and isn't prone to Angel Stadium traffic problems -- and you can get to Disneyland quite easily on the 43 bus south on Harbor Blvd. The 430 bus from the Anaheim station is very infrequent and not reliable, and most CMs I know who come from LA on the train stop at Fullerton and take the 43 south. It's cheaper and more reliable.

    The current deal for CMs, by the way, is half off (up to $60) your monthly Metrolink pass, $1 a day for not driving yourself to work, and if there's an emergency you can take a cab home and expense it, though I believe there are limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaphodB View Post
    The OC Register yesterday reported that funding has been provided to study a transit line from Huntington Beach to ARTIC (the fancy new regional transport centre they're planning to build) with a stop at Disneyland. This would be the "link" from Anaheim Metrolink to Disneyland that everyone has been waiting for, but it's many years off...

    So yes, at some point in the next several years you may be able to take reliable, safe, frequent public transit to Disneyland.
    First of all, welcome to MiceChat!!! I see that this was your first post. I'm really happy you joined us and thank you for all the great information.

    Could you post that article from the OC Register? That is great news.

    I hope you will continue to join our discussion on the MASS TRANSIT thread, and throughout the MiceChat pages.

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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Zappy, welcome.

    You work in Burbank or Glendale, then? Just putting 2 and 2 together....
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    Re: Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

    Didn't he say he worked in Downtown LA and would like to take a later train back to the OC? Or were you asking if I work in Burbank? Cause I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Certainly, The 5 needs carpool lanes from Valencia to San Juan Capistrano. That screwy downtown section might be a problem, though. Double-deck it, I say.
    The I-5 really doesn't go through 'downtown', but the section south of the Pasadena Freeway where it drops to 55 MPH is down in a slot - and there, a double-deck might make more sense than digging under the banks on each side and making the side streets effectively a cantilever bridge hung out over the freeway.

    Double-decking a freeway is a huge task, especially in earthquake country. Could be done, though - look at the Harbor Freeway through the USC area. The original freeways was down in a trench with the cross streets going overhead on bridges, no more room to widen. They put two new carpool lanes for each direction up on a flying bridge over the cross-streets.

    They can do that with carpool lanes that are limited access, but it gets trickier when you try putting onramps and offramps to both decks - unless you segregate the decks by direction. And then you have to deal with the cross streets, where the bridges are right in the way of adding another level.

    Trust me, there are a lot of things that can be done to add more lanes for a whole lot less money before you resort to a full double-deck job.

    Two Messages (one Secret) to ZaphodB: Welcome, and (42).

    And as to my transit needs: I'm a Repair & Maintenance Electrician, so I can't commute - I have to take the van with the big pile of ladders on the roof and even bigger piles of 'Essential Stuff' on the inside, so I get a lot of windshield time heading hither and yon to strange and exotic locales...

    But when the people who can take a bus or train to work and back do it, that eases the traffic for the rest of us who can't.

    And the transit offerings between the West Valley and Disneyland are pitiful. Can't escape the car even on the weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    Two Messages (one Secret) to ZaphodB: Welcome, and (42). --<< Bruce >>--
    Hmmm he's posted once on MiceChat and already getting secret messages?

    Is this like that movie ZODIAC? Are we supposed to crack the code?

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