View Poll Results: Does this seem like a good idea?

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  • Yes - This might be interesting

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    Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    I was looking at Bing Maps (love them) and something hit me. When we enter Frontierland, we enter a fort, but that theming only makes it three steps in before we are in an old Western City.

    So, here is my proposition/Question... (this has slightly been changed to better explain what I mean)

    As we all know, Frontierland is a collection of many different parts of the "frontier." I don't know if America is similar, but in Canada many of the old real forts once used during Western Expansion (anti-manifest destiny ) are protected and preserved as tourist destinations. To me (in conjunction with some other ideas) the names and interiors of Frontierland buildings could easily be converted to represent a tanner, blacksmith, and all of the other professions that you'd expect in a self sustaining Fort.

    Outside of the "traditional" Frontierland area (up the trail) the natural frontier would be shown off a little more with its wilderness paths and what will hopefully be a new ride based on exploring the open wild.

    It's not really part of the formal proposal, but a clear and simple back story involving the claiming and protection of a nearby mine could easily be worked into the "history" and landscape of the fort.

    I don't want to go into details concerning what would be changed, and what would be good (thats what my "blog" is for) but I want to see if this idea seems plausible, interesting (or ridiculous) to the rest of you.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Frontierland is purposely a blend of about 150 years of American frontier history. I don't think anything significant needs to be done to change it, but a couple more small themed shops or attractions and a couple more rides would be nice.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Quick, cheap Frontierland theme fix: dump the dumb movie music in the BG loop (City Slickers; The Good, the Bad and the Ugly; Blazing Saddles, etc.).

    And lose the damn pinlights.


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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Frontierland needs to ahve its original theme re-installed. To that end, pirates MUST be evicted from TSI, and Fantascrap! shuttered so that the southern tip of the island can look like an island again, not a scar of a stage.
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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Ugh, I so wish they did not convert TSI into Pirate's Lair, how weak! Now my kid doesn't even want to go over on it, and neither do I, it's just not interesting to us anymore. For all the changes they did, couldn't they have refurbished Ft Wilderness?

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    I can't believe you put a waterfall in the same place I was going to put it! (What can I say, it's a great spot!).

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    There are forts in the US similar to what you describe, although I don't know if any of them are preserved.

    That being stated there is a fort about 25 minutes south of Disneyland called Mission San Juan Capistrano. (Another nearby mission is in San Gabriel, but it is smaller than the mission in San Juan Capistrano). The California Missions were really Spain's version of a fort in that they helped to enforce Spain's claims to it's territories north of Mexico -- note that both England and Russia were claiming portions of California around this time and the esablishment of the Missions secured Spain's claim to the area.

    Mission San Juan Capistrano was built in the 1770s and had all the ammenities you would see in a typical Canadian/US Frontier fort. Spain was able to get these built in cooperation with the Catholic Church who was also interested in converting the local Native American population to Christianity. As it turns out the California Native Americans had a god whose story very closely mirrored Christianity, so the missionaries were able to convert the Native Americans without much conflict. And because there was not much of an external threat, aside from some minor skirmishes, after the missions were built their importance quickly faded after Mexico's independence from Spain.

    So that's why you don't see so many Canadian-style forts in the US, or at least in California.

    And I agree with Steve. They should remove the lights from the Frontierland buildings. But didn't Walt put those in?

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    An all-fort theme might be interesting, but rather bland. If you remember the insides of Fort Wilderness (I think there are pictures on Yesterland), it was pretty brown and loggy. Frontierland as it is has a variety of building styles and colors to catch the eye. The Shooting Gallery and connected shop are still in the Fort theme, but I would think the whole Land looking like that might be somewhat boring, imo.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    As Bob notes, Frontierland is not "Westernland." It spans the era from the immediate post-Revoltutionary War days (Columbia, circa 1787) through the frontier of the midwest (Mark Twain Riverboat. When Twain was growing up in Missouri, that WAS the frontier); 1860s Louisiana (when New Orleans was the "Gay Paree" of the American frontier), all the way through the Mission era in the southwest, until the frontier was conquered in the 1890s.

    It manages to capture the essence of American frontier expansion. Well, at least it did.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    I'm not saying anything about movie tie ins, but I think Frontierland should look like the sets of San Francisco from Bullwhip Griffin, Deadwood from Calamity Jane (What the Golden Horseshoe is based on) and the town from The Harvey Girls. To be honest, Frontierland stopped being Frontierland when New Orleans Square was built in 1966.
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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    I think that the problem here lies in the lack of attractions available in the actual "Western" themed area of Frontierland to make it seem authentically "Frontier-ish". Guests certainly aren't encouraged to stay within the heart of Frontierland with the current offerings of retail stores and the shooting gallery and it's hard to avoid looking downriver to see New Orleans, Critter Country, and Pirates Island on the way to Frontierland's premiere attraction, BTM.

    If I recall correctly weren't the lookout towers at the marquee of Frontierland accessible to guests at one time but closed down in the 80's due to a safety concern or lawsuit? I remember it being like fort wilderness where you could climb up to the towers and pretend to shoot at people with the stationary rifles they had up there. Nowadays walking through the heart of Frontierland makes you feel like you're walking through an extended marquee until you get to the Golden Horseshoe, and by then you are exposed to seeing New Orleans, CC, etc.

    Adventureland is the exact opposite, there are TOO MANY people hanging out in the heart of the land because you have Tiki which is right before, JC that's right before Indy, that's right before Tarzan's treehouse and by the time you pass Tarzan's treehouse.

    So do you think that it takes sacrificing the facades and themes that exist beyond the exterior realms of Frontierland to put the frontier back into Frontierland or would the issue be better addressed by re-establishing fun and entertainment back into the heart of Frontierland instead?

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    It is undoubtable that I lack knowledge about how it used to be, and this is why I knew this poll would be a good idea.

    I also want to note that there are actually many forts in the States simmiler to the ones that I have mentioned. Don't mind me, I take great interest in history.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorD View Post
    I also want to note that there are actually many forts in the States simmiler to the ones that I have mentioned. Don't mind me, I take great interest in history.
    Indeed. Here's Fort Mitchell, Alabama:



    And no, Westside, I don't believe the stockade entrance to Frontierland was ever accessible to guests...

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    I thought they were accessible, but I could just be remembering being on Tom Sawyers Island.

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    Re: Putting Frontier in Frontierland

    Quote Originally Posted by Pirate Lover 68 View Post
    I thought they were accessible, but I could just be remembering being on Tom Sawyers Island.
    I'm guessing that's the case.

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