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    Carthay Circle Theater

    There's been a lot of talk on what would or should be done with the Carthay Circle Theater in the expansion of Buena Vista Street at California Adventure. There was the rumored Walt Disney documentary, that apparently turned out not to be true. There was also some talk by people who wanted a dark ride put in there... Regardless, as far as I know there isn't an OFFICIAL announcement on what will be placed in the beautifully recreated wienie at the end of Buena Vista Street.




    I was one of the people who thought a retooled version of a type of Great Movie Ride would be great inside the nostalgic Carthay Theater. But it is apparent that it will not happen. Although it appears that Disney is sparing no expense with the DCA expansion, I doubt that they would add in an elaborate ride, especially where space is limited.

    But last night, as I restlessly laid in bed, it dawned on me what I think would be great fit in the theater. Why not... just make it a theater?

    Here's a chance to make an elaborate version of what the Main Street Cinema could be. (Not that there is anything wrong with it.) The key to making this theater a great park staple is making it fit with the 1920's feel. You'd enter the theater with red curtains, that old theater smell (?). You'd enter the cinema. It's dark and you'd hear the sound of a projector in the back.




    This would be the prime location to showcase Disney's older shorts. And I know it wouldn't be time appropriate, but it might be cool as the day goes on, so does the time period of movies. Maybe by midday there's a screening of Snow White. Throughout the day you could see old Goofy cartoons, Donald Duck War cartoons, Silly Symphonies and, of course, Mickey Mouse cartoons. It would just keep going nonstop, without a schedule. Kind of like Sci-Fi Dine In at Disney's Hollywood Studios, just Disney instead of Sci-Fi. And I know some of these cartoons are not the specific period of Buena Vista Street, but I don't think being that specific matters in this situation. If it projects the same nostalgic quality that Buena Vista Street is trying to project, then it works.

    I pictured it to have a balcony too. (I picture that scene from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" where they are watching that Goofy cartoon as they hide out in the theater.)

    It would be one of those places that would act as a relaxing spot. People would be out and about the park, but if they want to sit and relax for a few minutes, catch their breath, watch a flick... then go out and enjoy more of the attractions.






    I think trying to over think a building like this isn't what the Carthay Circle Theater needs. It needs to be Disney through and through. The heartbeat of Buena Vista Street. It could be the "home base".

    What do you think?

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I think their plan is to leave it idle at first, potentially using it for special events or things like that. I've heard that it could house the Blue Sky Cellar, but it's looking like by the time the Carthay is finished there might not be a need for the Blue Sky Cellar anyway.

    My personal hope for it would be a dark ride. They could make use of some of the unused backstage area as well as the Tough to be a Bug theater which will probably continue to decline in attendance. Not that it's not a decent 3D movie, but eventually it will need to be replaced. A dark ride or attraction of some kind that would utilize all that space would be awesome for the Carthay theater, but I get the sense that it's a very slim possibility.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    Quote Originally Posted by simba View Post
    I think their plan is to leave it idle at first, potentially using it for special events or things like that. I've heard that it could house the Blue Sky Cellar, but it's looking like by the time the Carthay is finished there might not be a need for the Blue Sky Cellar anyway.

    My personal hope for it would be a dark ride. They could make use of some of the unused backstage area as well as the Tough to be a Bug theater which will probably continue to decline in attendance. Not that it's not a decent 3D movie, but eventually it will need to be replaced. A dark ride or attraction of some kind that would utilize all that space would be awesome for the Carthay theater, but I get the sense that it's a very slim possibility.
    I agree, that's what they should do eventually. Just showing movies is too boring, it would have simmilar size crowds to the MS Theater and would be a waste of an iconic building.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I like the theater idea personally. I really do.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I like this idea as well. There was talk about playing Golden Dreams here earlier, and I liked that idea also, using Golden Dreams as the theme-center for DCA. But this idea sounds like a nice idea to honor Walt Disney in a relatively simple, subtle fashion.

    Although I doubt I ever like any idea as much as the proposed Walt Disney Story.


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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I've heard a few things: one, that Walt Disney: One Man's Dream would be removed from Disney's Hollywood Studios to the Carthay Circle Theater, or that a new, Club 33-esque club called the Carthay Circle Club would take up residence in the building.
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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    Just showing movies is too boring, it would have simmilar size crowds to the MS Theater and would be a waste of an iconic building.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkTwain View Post
    I like this idea as well. But this idea sounds like a nice idea to honor Walt Disney in a relatively simple, subtle fashion.

    Although I doubt I ever like any idea as much as the proposed Walt Disney Story.
    Obviously these are the two differing opinions on what an iconic theme park "monument" should be. This beacon is the anchor to the entire park, so it has to give off the right emotion that the park is trying to portray.

    • Some would say: A dominant ride/attraction needs to fill the spot. After all, it needs to be standout-ish to be the wienie at the end of the street, right? It needs to bring in thousands of guests with a state-of-the-art attraction. This would be the anchor to the park because of its seniority, in an attraction perspective.
    • And others would say: An iconic monument of a park doesn't need to be a stand out attraction. In fact, it won't work. It would lose it's "majestic" and "classic" quality, if you install a big, expensive E-Ticket. Walt knew this best when he made Sleeping Beauty Castle. It anchors the emotion of Disneyland in a humble, child-like manor.


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    I would tend to agree with the latter. But at one point, I was the one in favor of installing dark rides. I wanted a "Great Movie Ride" attraction in the emotional essence of Pirates and Haunted Mansion (Not those themes, but classic-ness). But it just can't be so. Disney hasn't been able to recreate a ride like this since then. I hope they will be able to eventually, but it's too chancy to install one...correctly.

    And a theater idea like this works with the park. It may not bring in hordes of crowds, but it's right. It would be that unspoken "anchor" to the very "Disney lacking" park. And most importantly it's humble. I can't stress how important that is. Sleeping Beauty Castle isn't spectacular. It isn't flashy. It isn't in your face. It's just right. It's charming, to quote Tony Baxter. And I believe "charm" is what makes Disneyland work the best.

    A theater showcasing the brilliant work of the brilliant man that we celebrate every time we visit Disneyland... could anchor Disney's California Adventure.


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g5PUIJJSwk]YouTube - 1949 - Goofy Gymnastics[/ame]
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xE8wwigWM&feature=related]YouTube - Disney's (1933) The Pied Piper[/ame]

    If there was a full-size theater showing these non-stop... That's what I'd be doing all day.
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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I too wouldn't mind it if they just kept it at what it is, a theater. Showing off all the short cartoons Disney made from that era is a great idea cause anyone can walk in and sit, watch a few cartoons or more and be satisfied, then move on to the rides they want to hit. It would also make for a great escape from the scorching SoCal heat during the summer months as well as a nice place to rest one's feet while being entertained till they decide to move on.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I really really like this! I'd like to see a dark ride, but this is really cool! Definitely an addition to the park that needs another "quiet area".

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I join the fray and say I like having it just be a theatre as well.

    There might be problems with the idea like the lack of showtimes - since people could just walk in (which is the point, a place to relax and cooldown) whenever they wish they are likely to make a mess and noise- thus distracting from the feel of the theatre.
    But I like it, I wonder how they would have it smell right- as far as I know any smell in theatres with heavy curtains and no windows would be due to lack of washing and poor air circulation.
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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    Quote Originally Posted by woodwanderer View Post
    I join the fray and say I like having it just be a theatre as well.

    There might be problems with the idea like the lack of showtimes - since people could just walk in (which is the point, a place to relax and cooldown) whenever they wish they are likely to make a mess and noise- thus distracting from the feel of the theatre.
    But I like it, I wonder how they would have it smell right- as far as I know any smell in theatres with heavy curtains and no windows would be due to lack of washing and poor air circulation.
    I see your points, but I don't see either as breaking the entire idea.

    As far as noise being a distraction, the Sci-Fi Dine In at DHS is a restaurant as well as a theater. It's about as loud as it gets for a restaurant. But somehow the acoustics allow you to still hear what's going on on the screen. This theater will not nearly be as crowded as the Sci-Fi Dine In. And I've noticed that when people enter a quiet place, especially a dark, quiet place, they feel like they need to be quiet, with the exception of the certain types of families... You know, the ones that have too much to handle. And even those types of families go to the movies. They're the ones whose children spill they're back of M&M's (which smack each step as it travels to the bottom) and talk in their outside voices. But those instances will come few and far between. I believe.

    As far as cleanliness goes, Disney is usually on top of indoor waste. I've never had a bad experience with trash with indoor attractions. And you'd better believe that a cast member will be checking through the aisles frequently. Although, if we're going with the movie theater theme...maybe they should layer a sticky covering on the tile floor.

    And air circulation? Pirates and Haunted Mansion are both well air-conditioned and I believe they're kind of under ground, which usually would be more challenging right?

    With people coming and going as they please... this would be the only problem. But I can see it working. I mean, even back in the time period that they are going for in Buena Vista Street (1920's?), people went in and out of theaters just like this would be. People would enter the theater to see Snow White and could enter at the part when the Queen turns into the Hag and they would watch through the end of the movie. The movie would restart and then they would stay until the part where the Queen gets turned into the Hag. It all depends on when you entered the theater. My point IS people were going in and out of the theater back at that time and it was normal. So, maybe that would make it even more appropriate...

    But I understand worries, but I don't think this attraction would receive any out of the ordinary hardships.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    Quote Originally Posted by jcman3777 View Post
    Although, if we're going with the movie theater theme...maybe they should layer a sticky covering on the tile floor.

    And air circulation? Pirates and Haunted Mansion are both well air-conditioned and I believe they're kind of under ground, which usually would be more challenging right?

    With people coming and going as they please... this would be the only problem. But I can see it working. I mean, even back in the time period that they are going for in Buena Vista Street (1920's?), people went in and out of theaters just like this would be. People would enter the theater to see Snow White and could enter at the part when the Queen turns into the Hag and they would watch through the end of the movie. The movie would restart and then they would stay until the part where the Queen gets turned into the Hag. It all depends on when you entered the theater. My point IS people were going in and out of the theater back at that time and it was normal. So, maybe that would make it even more appropriate...
    And we can stick pieces of candy and disneyland lollipops all over them- make it thematically dirty.

    My point wasn't that it would smell the point was in the past weren't the things I mentioned some contributing factor to that theatre "smell"

    That's a good point and it makes the whole thing fit even more

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I have been working on a plan for the Carthay in my version of DCA. I think that it should be a theater. The whole attraction would be called Walt Disney's California Adventures. The entrance would sport a portrait of Walt and a dedication of the attraction. The lobby and queue area would feature various Disney artifacts. There would be a small second level that pays tribute to DCA with the scale models of the park and other things (this is a place where imagineers could present new attractions like in the blue sky cellar).

    The main part of the attraction would be in the actual theater where a film about Walt Disney's endeavors in California from movies and short films to the building of Disneyland would play. It would be about 25 minutes long and run at the start of every hour. In between showing, guests would be free to enter the theater and watch various Disney shorts or watch while they wait for the show to start.

    After every showing of the Walt film, the theater could be emptied and quickly cleaned if needed and then allow guests to watch the shorts.

    There could be some special events when full Disney movies are played in the theater.

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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    With "It's tough to be a bug" immediately behind the future Carthay Circle theater building .... I wouldn't dream "too big" on anything. I think the best it can be is exhibit space - ALA, The Walt Disney Story, idea.

    If you don't believe me .... go click on Google Earth, Google Maps, or Bingmaps.com .. and see for yourself.

    Any large scale "Carthay Circle" attraction is out of the question .. Unless they do away with "it's tough to be a bug" or Playhouse Disney to the right.
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    Re: Carthay Circle Theater

    I think it should be used as a Theater. Maybe even connect it to ITTBAB and use that as the theater.


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