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    What will come of California (Adventure)

    We all can see whats happening. Disney is really trying to improve its newest Anaheim property, and it is going all out to do so. The question is, what will this mean for the California aspect of the park?

    Surely, most of the park still has ties to California. The Hollywoodland area is definitively Californian along with the Bay area, the winery area, the GRR area and arguably the Wharf and Paradise Pier.

    However, the newer areas of the park are going a bit looser on the California theme. Soarin' over the world isn't Californian, and while Carsland might have reference to it, it isn't purely.

    So what happens? Over half the park is Californian, another quarter is partially and the last quarter isn't. What do you name it, what do you think will happen, and what do you think should happen?

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Rebrand it as Disney's Miscellaneous Adventures Park.

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    Cool Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Personally, I really liked the California part of the park. The most logical option would be to name it Walt Disney's CAlifornia Adventure. After all, it is based upon his adventures in California. But how Carsland and Bugsland will fit in, I don't know.

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    depending on what direction future expansions take..probobly just drop the california aspect and just call it Disney Adventures or something along that line,because well although its quite in interesting place to live.theres only so much to do with a california theme
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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Walt Disney's California Adventure would be the best name to rebrand it as.

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    i don't see it changing. Their focus is to have the lands be connected to the California theme and then have attractions within the lands that fit the theme of the land.

    The only land that does not have a direct tie to the California theme is CarsLand but i think the route 66 and car connection is close enough to the California theme and its history
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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    The only land does not have a direct tie to the CAlifornia theme is CarLand but i think the route 66 and car connection is close enough to the California theme and its history
    I actually agree to this too. Its a loose theme, but it's close enough to count.

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Unfortunately, I don't think there's any perfect solution to this very real problem. On the one hand, DCA in 2012 is clearly not going to be devoted to glorifying California. It will include many tangents that only have the most tenuous connections to California. Cars Land is based on a locale that was used as a contrast to California, though there were real places with certain similar elements in real life. TLM has nothing to do with California, but is being justified by pointing out that real boardwalks sometimes included representations of mermaids and that California had some boardwalks. A Bug's Land already has no connection to California specifically. And don't get me started on the Soarin' rumors. So clearly, if DCA had originally opened the way it will look in 2012, "Disney's California Adventure" would be nonsensical sort of name.

    But on the other hand, that's simply not what happened. The fact of the matter is, people have been hearing the California Adventure moniker for a decade now, and there's a lot of signage and merchandise with the name. In other words, you can't just change the name and expect that change to automatically happen in the real world. Not even Disney's got that sort of magic. Changing the name would cost a lot of money and it would require a very lucid, widespread advertising campaign to convey the message to the general public. Furthermore, there will still be many California elements. The new name would need to explain those, too.

    In other words...Disney would need a new name that was really, really compelling. Something that encapsulated all that the "new" DCA was, something that sent a very clear message about what exactly the game plan was from here on out. And unfortunately, "clear" and "exact" are two words that I won't be able to honestly apply to DCA's thematic intentions.

    I'm rambling. The bottom line: Don't change the name unless the entire park is taking a very cohesive new direction. And it's not. It's sacrificing thematic cohesion for raw entertainment value - and the latter is certainly more important, but as it turns out, you can actually have both.


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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    I'd just drop the California in the name, rename it Disney Adventure Park. Then they can start incorporating more themes into it, but themes outside of the classic Disney ideal and more so on the exciting edge.
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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Well the name can still be the same and apply to a different meaning. Yes when it opened the park was all about California. But now that it isn't so much about California it is in California which is why the name can still work. It is an adventure in California.
    In a sense it is much like Tokyo Disneyland. It's a Disneyland but at Tokyo. If another park were to be built in some other state or country on the lines like this they could call it Disney's Arizona Adventure or Disney's Italian Adventure etc.

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    How about renaming the park to Vista Disney?

    Webster's definition of "Vista":
    Main Entry: vis·ta
    Pronunciation: \ˈvis-tə\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Italian, sight, from visto, past participle of vedere to see, from Latin vidēre — more at wit
    Date: 1644
    1 : a distant view through or along an avenue or opening : prospect
    2 : an extensive mental view (as over a stretch of time or a series of events)


    I'm choosing to go with the second definition in bold.


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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    I'd typically stay away from anything with the word "Vista" in it. But that would be a great new park name.


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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    I think any effort to remove the Calfornia theme would be a big mistake. The park needs an overall theme that is cohesive and offers something that ties everything together. I don't think that in order to be keep a California theme that every attraction needs to be directly tied to that theme. There are a number of ways a theme can be interpreted, and the first attempt was a failure in the interpretation and execution of the theme, it's not that California theme couldn't work. They need to find a better way to execute the theme and I think the basics of what they're doing, changing to older eras and then allowing for a great deal of fantasy within those lands is the right general direction.

    First they tried to be hip and modern and aim at an older audience and they pretty much failed to appeal to anyone. Now they are trying to use the California theme more as an idea and background for a variety of Disney stories. I think that's a perfectly fine direction for the park to go as long as it also has some attractions that give the park its own identity. I do fear that if everything becomes based on characters that the park really won't have enough direction and will lack a reason to exist which could make it feel cheap, despite all the money they're actually putting into it.

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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    I'm just gonna take preemptive measures against the inevitable "BUT DISNEYLAND DOESN'T HAVE AN OVERALL THEME!" argument. My usual counterargument: that's exactly why DCA needs one. If you have a 50-year-old park that's deeply entrenched in popular culture and you build a new one right next to it with separate admission and a different name and everything, it needs to have its own identity. Part of how you do that is by providing it with a strong sense of thematic and/or stylistic unity. DCA, for all its shortcomings, did originally have that.

    Also, for some reason, I just don't buy the "Disney's Adventure in California" interpretation of the current title. Obviously, that wasn't how it was originally intended, and there are still many elements that point very clearly to the original intention - glorifying the landscapes, people, history, and future of the Golden State. (Whether it did that well is another story, but it's clear that it was the original intent.)


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    Re: What will come of California (Adventure)

    Damn it.

    We shoulda got DisneySea...

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