The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

[Waltzing Ghost]

HBG2 that does makes sense to me. The line in the song "restless bones etherialize" could be directed to our poor coffin guy. Restlessly trying to get out when finally he can and then becomes an etherialized happy haunt to celebrate his wake.

And Smelly, I believe MG13's pun is describing that when your dead you won't see another morning. So no mourning = don't cry over me and no morning = I am dead so I won't see another morning.

No mourning please at his request. (I think it's funny, I never thought about it before.)

[SmellyOrangutan]

The line in the song "restless bones etherialize" could be directed to our poor coffin guy. Restlessly trying to get out when finally he can and then becomes an etherialized happy haunt to celebrate his wake.

For the Disneyland Sing-along video from in the early '90s, they had footage of the coffin scene during the "restless bones etherealize" in GGG.

[MANEATINGWREATH]

I always thought that since the Mansion is a retirement home for ghosts that the guy in the coffin is a recent arrival shipped directly in from somewhere, kind of like how packages are sent to someone's house, only in the coffin guy's case, he was shipped to the Mansion inside his coffin (Or casket, whatever it is). Then of course there's the fact that the conservatory has the remnants of a funeral, so there goes that theory.

When the "Ghost Gallery" fan fiction was still around, I remember that the guy in the coffin was Little Leota's husband and a wealthy land-owner and banker. Since she only married him for his money, Little Leota had one of her friends act like he was interested in doing business with him. Out in a field Little Leota's friend claimed that he was a vampire and bit the mortal coffin guy, making him believe he would turn into a vampire. He began wandering the Mansion at night, wearing a cape, and sleeping in a coffin. Little Leota waited until he retired to his coffin in the morning and locked him inside. When night came he couldn't get out and eventually just died, his last words being "let me outta here!" There is a hole in that story. A bunch of events happened after the coffin guy was murdered, so why didn't they move the coffin out of there?

Remember that's fan fiction and not the true story.

[SmellyOrangutan]

I always thought that since the Mansion is a retirement home for ghosts that the guy in the coffin is a recent arrival shipped directly in from somewhere, kind of like how packages are sent to someone's house, only in the coffin guy's case, he was shipped to the Mansion inside his coffin (Or casket, whatever it is). Then of course there's the fact that the conservatory has the remnants of a funeral, so there goes that theory.

I've thought that too. Especially with things like "you've disturbed a guest!" from the raven in the record album.

[Waltzing Ghost]

For the Disneyland Sing-along video from in the early '90s, they had footage of the coffin scene during the "restless bones etherealize" in GGG.

Oh really? Wow that's cool, I guess they planned it that way.

I always thought that since the Mansion is a retirement home for ghosts that the guy in the coffin is a recent arrival shipped directly in from somewhere, kind of like how packages are sent to someone's house, only in the coffin guy's case, he was shipped to the Mansion inside his coffin (Or casket, whatever it is). Then of course there's the fact that the conservatory has the remnants of a funeral, so there goes that theory.

That's an interesting idea. Maybe they celebrate new arrivals so they had all the funeral stuff, but then forgot or some force pulled them away...

Eh, whatever. Just a thought xD

[HBG2]

I think the Hightower thing is either coincidence or just a seed planting thing, in case they want to do some meta-theming at some point. Even if they do develop it, the story may link him to New England and not New Orleans, or vice versa. The other HM can ignore him. I am assuming that his relationship or not with George won't impact the common Connie plot in any material way.

I think you know my take on the doombuggies. If they were supposed to be carriages they'd look like carriages. I don't have any trouble screening out maids and butlers. We screen out park personnel all the time. Shoot, we screen out whole parades at times.

Total change of subject. Genii (aka Richard Kaufman) over at DB.com has posted a picture of a long-lost relic that has reappeared (I assume on the collector's market somewhere; I couldn't find it on ebay).



That's the original "Mister West" from the DL berm graveyard. This one was created when that cemetery was put in (sometime in the mid-70's, best I can tell). It could have been taken out anytime between 1986 (when the photo below was taken) and the elimination of the berm graveyard in 2000.

[MasterGracey13]

Total change of subject. Genii (aka Richard Kaufman) over at DB.com has posted a picture of a long-lost relic that has reappeared (I assume on the collector's market somewhere; I couldn't find it on ebay).



That's the original "Mister West" from the DL berm graveyard. This one was created when that cemetery was put in (sometime in the mid-70's, best I can tell). It could have been taken out anytime between 1986 (when the photo below was taken) and the elimination of the berm graveyard in 2000.

Since we are on the subject...

After I did a post on my blog about the PHINEAS POCK tombstone, I received an anonymous e-mail from a viewer who is now in possession of it.
I'm going to see If I can manage to get a picture
.

[HBG2]

Since we are on the subject...

After I did a post on my blog about the PHINEAS POCK tombstone, I received an anonymous e-mail from a viewer who is now in possession of it.
I'm going to see If I can manage to get a picture
.

THAT would be something I'd like to see. The original PP stone may be my all-time favorite, for sentimental rather than rational reasons. It may be in very good shape. The original queue stones were much better built than the foam things they used on the berm and elsewhere from then on. You can see for yourself what condition Mister West is in. If your anonymous source knows anything about PP's subsequent history after removal or its placement on the berm (it was there for some unknown period of time), I'd love to have any of that info.

[Grinning Ghost]

Total change of subject. Genii (aka Richard Kaufman) over at DB.com has posted a picture of a long-lost relic that has reappeared (I assume on the collector's market somewhere; I couldn't find it on ebay).



That's the original "Mister West" from the DL berm graveyard. This one was created when that cemetery was put in (sometime in the mid-70's, best I can tell). It could have been taken out anytime between 1986 (when the photo below was taken) and the elimination of the berm graveyard in 2000.

I wonder why they went to the trouble of creating a new one so similar to the Master Gracey stone they already had? Why not just use the original MG stone? It was there, if only briefly. It's shown in a photo dated "Sep 70" on this thread somewhere. I believe it was on the side where the first, "hidden" pet cemetery is now at DL, with two other stones and a wall behind.

[HBG2]

I wonder why they went to the trouble of creating a new one so similar to the Master Gracey stone they already had? Why not just use the original MG stone? It was there, if only briefly. It's shown in a photo dated "Sep 70" on this thread somewhere. I believe it was on the side where the first, "hidden" pet cemetery is now at DL, with two other stones and a wall behind.

Ooooo, not even close. If you'll forgive a little blog pimping, I did a whole post on the original queue.

They didn't use any of the "original molds" for the new ones. I think the originals may have been concrete, and they wanted something lighter and easier, so it was new molds all around, baby.

[Mr.Fenwright]

What about the Electric/Gas chandeliers (Gasoliers) in the DL load area. Another site has information about the time periods that lighting fixtures were used. Now are the porchlights at DL's Haunted Mansion electric or are they supposed to be gas?

[ttintagel]

If one subscribes to the idea that you, the guest, dies in the fall from the attic to the graveyard, the "swinging wake" could be for you.

I always assumed that the maids and butlers were hired by the estate of the most recent owner, to serve as caretakers of the empty house. That explains why the house and grounds look so well-tended.

[MANEATINGWREATH]

In the comic books the Mansion was owned by a mortal man, even when it was still inhabited by ghosts. If this is the case then this could explain the well-tended look of the grounds and possibly some of the past 1899-things in the house.

[HBG2]

What about the Electric/Gas chandeliers (Gasoliers) in the DL load area. Another site has information about the time periods that lighting fixtures were used. Now are the porchlights at DL's Haunted Mansion electric or are they supposed to be gas?

Like I said...

The place started out with candlelight and was partially modernized to gas sometime in the latter part of the 19th c., probably.

There are no electric lights in the HM. Early electric lighting didn't look like anything you find in there.

If one subscribes to the idea that you, the guest, dies in the fall from the attic to the graveyard, the "swinging wake" could be for you.

Well, yes, but that theory is pretty well discredited. We have a WED summary of the ride from 1969 that pretty much rules out a fall-to-death interpretation.

I always assumed that the maids and butlers were hired by the estate of the most recent owner, to serve as caretakers of the empty house. That explains why the house and grounds look so well-tended.

The ballroom is in horrible shape. The house interior is odd in that about two-thirds of it is in fine shape, but the rest is falling apart. You can argue that there is a supernatural reason for this.

[Grinning Ghost]

Like I said...
There are no electric lights in the HM. Early electric lighting didn't look like anything you find in there.

Then how do you explain this light fixture:

[IMG] Seance Pana-Vue Slide by gerryu21220, on Flickr[/IMG]

Of course, they're gone now from the American Mansions, but they're still in use in Paris and Tokyo. (Circa 1910 - 1920)



Of course I'm not an expert on antique light fixtures, but this seems to be gas and electric chandelier:

[IMG] COD Chandelier by gerryu21220, on Flickr[/IMG]

I've been told that the globes pointing downward would have to be electric, because the heat from a gas flame would break the globes. (Circa 1890 - 1920)


Then there's this obvious electric table lamp:

[IMG] COD Vignette by gerryu21220, on Flickr[/IMG] (Circa 1910 - 1920)

And this one:

[IMG] COD Table by gerryu21220, on Flickr[/IMG]

I've never seen a kerosene lamp anything like it, nor a candelabra. Seems to be electric, with the appearance of an older kerosene lamp. (Circa ??? Not sure there was ever a real light fixture like this prior to the 1960s)