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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    ^ This is what I love about your blog, HBG2. You are never content to let things sit as they are if new and interesting tidbits are available. Thanks for your attention to the details we all crave.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Hey, that's cool! Goofy as Jacob Marley.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    You will remember that Goofy plays Marley in Mickey's Christmas Carol.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Great reconstruction - looks like both WDW and DL's shrouds looked more or less the same. Alex Crouthers, who was head of the MK show at the time, absolutely hated both the Seance Circle scrim ghost and the Witch hands on the door at the end of the Corridor of Doors, and had them removed. Because, you know, it's fun to second guess Claude Coats.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxFur View Post
    Great reconstruction - looks like both WDW and DL's shrouds looked more or less the same. Alex Crouthers, who was head of the MK show at the time, absolutely hated both the Seance Circle scrim ghost and the Witch hands on the door at the end of the Corridor of Doors, and had them removed. Because, you know, it's fun to second guess Claude Coats.
    I can confirm that Caruthers was also responsible for removing the original "Brides Ring". BTW,If you don't know yet Foxxfur, the red canopy you disliked outside the Mansion has been restored to it's original green color.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxFur View Post
    Because, you know, it's fun to second guess Claude Coats.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Hey I went to DL on the 3rd and rode the HM twice and I noticed that the old man that's hard of hearing that's supposed to be listening to the mummy in the coffin is missing. Did anybody else notice that. Sorry for the long hand but I'm new to the thread and don't know all the abbreviations yet.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    He was probably out to be fixed/refreshed.

    And you are doing fine on the "longhand" messages. If you want a guide to MiceChat shorthand, try this sticky post...

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Sprite View Post
    Hey I went to DL on the 3rd and rode the HM twice and I noticed that the old man that's hard of hearing that's supposed to be listening to the mummy in the coffin is missing. Did anybody else notice that.
    I mentioned it in my trip report about two weeks ago (message #6944 above). I rode through a week later and he was still gone but, updating other items in my report, the purple painted ghost in the crypt before the opera singer was back in place and there was proper lighting on the pop-up ghost in front of the opera singer.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxFur View Post
    Great reconstruction - looks like both WDW and DL's shrouds looked more or less the same. Alex Crouthers, who was head of the MK show at the time, absolutely hated both the Seance Circle scrim ghost and the Witch hands on the door at the end of the Corridor of Doors, and had them removed. Because, you know, it's fun to second guess Claude Coats.
    Both of those brought WDW into conformity with DL, of course. Was that a motive? As you have written extensively, the push to make WDW just like DL has been operative for a while now.

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    I can confirm that Caruthers was also responsible for removing the original "Brides Ring".
    So stupid and childish.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    I just realized I am about to make my 100th post!

    So, I remember reading all the comments about Connie’s… um… “ample charms” when she was added to the attic. I found it amusing at first, but then I started to wonder about how the original Imagineers would feel about a sensual/sexy ghost in the mansion. I looked back at the original maquette.

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    Wow! I guess Connie isn’t too far off the mark! “Concept/maquette Bride” sure was a voluptuous gal…

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by HMF View Post
    I can confirm that Caruthers was also responsible for removing the original "Brides Ring". BTW,If you don't know yet Foxxfur, the red canopy you disliked outside the Mansion has been restored to it's original green color.
    Yeah, I saw that. I actually didn't mind the red - freshened up that part of the river a bit. What is bad about the 2007 canopy is that it's swallowed the entire "front yard" whole. You no longer get any sense of the house being on an estate, and this is because in 1996 and again in 2001, WDI brilliantly removed the huge spreading oaks that used to be in front of the attraction and provided shade. One was where the fountain/hearse is now, and the two others were removed to make way for the Fastpass structures. This meant there was no longer any shade to escape the oppressive Florida heat, leading to the current idiotic "giant tent" scenario.

    The WDW Mansion line is also out of control because WDI/Ops refuse to operate the ride the way it was designed to operate. As is well known in this thread, Disneyland uses a split cattle chute line that splits by the cemetery and merges on the veranda. WDW's never used any kind of stanchion maze prior to 2001. In 1971, that off little mausoleum where you currently split off to go into the new queue was the crowd control podium; it had two turnstiles and a podium for tickets. The stretch from there to the "Front Doors" was designed to fit an exact number of people; the same number who just so happened to fit inside the Foyer and Stretch Room. All the ticket taker had to do was count tickets and hold the line. The line from there back was nothing but a huge herd of people with no maze. Elegant.

    Of course in 2001, Fastpass was Pressler's big baby and each land in each theme park needed at least one FP attraction.In order for FP to work, you need a single file line that you can hold to allow FP through, and so Mansion's queue had to be turned into a maze. Now there needed to be switchbacks so of course some of them ended up outside that original green canopy that was put in place to protect a large mass of people moving towards an open pen with turnstiles. Thus eventually leading to the 2007 monster canopy.

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    Both of those brought WDW into conformity with DL, of course. Was that a motive? As you have written extensively, the push to make WDW just like DL has been operative for a while now.
    That was part of it but I know that the hands in particular had to do entirely with Alex being a jerk. He would get certain ideas in his head and once they were there, you couldn't jar them loose. For example, in 1973 many MK guests had difficulty finding their way inside Pirates of the Caribbean; this is despite it being in a huge fortress with a tower. So WED had pirate flags and a talking parrot placed outside the attraction on the fortress as visual indicators that, yes, the pirate ride is in here.

    Of course, in WDW there is no time travel gag like at DL - you enter a fort that the Pirates are attacking. So Alex gets wind of this and orders all of the Pirate flags taken down and has them put up a Spanish flag because when the ride starts the fortress is not yet held by the Pirates.

    I actually confronted him about the hands back in 2007. This is exactly how the conversation went:

    Me: "You really ought to put the hands back. Claude Coats put those there for a reason."
    Alex: "In the story of the Haunted Mansion, you aren't supposed to see any ghosts until the seance room."
    Me: "What about the hands on the coffin? Are you going to remove those too?"
    Alex: *walks away*

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxFur View Post
    Of course, in WDW there is no time travel gag like at DL - you enter a fort that the Pirates are attacking. So Alex gets wind of this and orders all of the Pirate flags taken down and has them put up a Spanish flag because when the ride starts the fortress is not yet held by the Pirates.
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    That's odd considering most of the changes made to the Florida pirates seemed to imply that they wanted to do away with the "Now" concept and make it more like Disneyland's Time Travel version mostly by turning off the cannons outside and blasting the DL Pirates Overture in the queue drowning out any signs that the Spanish Soldiers are preparing for an oncoming Pirate attack.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxFur View Post
    Me: "You really ought to put the hands back. Claude Coats put those there for a reason."
    Alex: "In the story of the Haunted Mansion, you aren't supposed to see any ghosts until the seance room."
    Me: "What about the hands on the coffin? Are you going to remove those too?"
    Alex: *walks away*

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    I kind of agree with him on the removal of the monster hands in the corridor of doors. *shrugs*
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