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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    The beauty of ghostly photos is that often, the "worse" they are (grainy, blurry, murky), the "better" they are. That's actually a very cool photo of Constance. Looks like a "real" ghost.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Question.. as part of my job at the DLR I get to watch the fireworks every night, and I have the script to the show pretty much memorized. The other day as I was watching/listening to the fireworks, I thought about the part they chose for the HM segment: "serpents, spiders, tail of a rat, call in the spirits wherever they're at!" Anybody know anything about the serpents/spiders/tail of a rat? Does this have any historical background? Or were those "ingredients" for a spell/potion/whatever chosen at random?

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinejay View Post
    Question.. as part of my job at the DLR I get to watch the fireworks every night, and I have the script to the show pretty much memorized. The other day as I was watching/listening to the fireworks, I thought about the part they chose for the HM segment: "serpents, spiders, tail of a rat, call in the spirits wherever they're at!" Anybody know anything about the serpents/spiders/tail of a rat? Does this have any historical background? Or were those "ingredients" for a spell/potion/whatever chosen at random?
    My guess is that X Atencio chose them more or less at random based on their general creep factor, and arranged them so that they rhymed and fit the patter of the incantation. Other bits of the incantation are based on the instruments floating about the room, while some bits are simply suitable "filler".

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by Grinning Ghost View Post
    My guess is that X Atencio chose them more or less at random based on their general creep factor, and arranged them so that they rhymed and fit the patter of the incantation. Other bits of the incantation are based on the instruments floating about the room, while some bits are simply suitable "filler".
    That's what I was thinking too. That it was a convenient rhyme and to make it a little more "catchy". Thx!

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Why is there a box on the floor to your right after the hitchhiking ghosts?

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by Great Movie Rider View Post
    Why is there a box on the floor to your right after the hitchhiking ghosts?
    Sure it's not just a speaker?

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinejay View Post
    Question.. as part of my job at the DLR I get to watch the fireworks every night, and I have the script to the show pretty much memorized. The other day as I was watching/listening to the fireworks, I thought about the part they chose for the HM segment: "serpents, spiders, tail of a rat, call in the spirits wherever they're at!" Anybody know anything about the serpents/spiders/tail of a rat? Does this have any historical background? Or were those "ingredients" for a spell/potion/whatever chosen at random?
    Not exactly at random. The general spell formulae are undoubtedly inspired by the witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth, in a well-known passage.

    “Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
    Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
    Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
    Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
    For a charm of powerful trouble,
    Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
    Double, double toil and trouble;
    Fire burn, and caldron bubble.”
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    Not exactly at random. The general spell formulae are undoubtedly inspired by the witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth, in a well-known passage.

    “Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
    Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
    Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
    Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
    For a charm of powerful trouble,
    Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
    Double, double toil and trouble;
    Fire burn, and caldron bubble.”
    I think it's only vaguely like the Macbeth spell. The patter, or "beat" is different, changing as it goes along, and of course the ingredients are different. X wrote his version more like a song, each stanza is the same patter whereas Shakespeare's is not. If anything, I consider it only "loosely" based on, or rather "inspired by" Shakespeare.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    Not exactly at random. The general spell formulae are undoubtedly inspired by the witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth, in a well-known passage.

    “Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
    Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
    Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
    Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
    For a charm of powerful trouble,
    Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
    Double, double toil and trouble;
    Fire burn, and caldron bubble.”
    I think it's only vaguely like the Macbeth spell. The patter, or "beat" is different, changing as it goes along, and of course the ingredients are different. X wrote his version more like a song, each stanza is the same patter whereas Shakespeare's is not. If anything, I consider it only "loosely" based on, or rather "inspired by" Shakespeare.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    I said that the general spell formulae were inspired by the Bard, not the specific texts X wrote, and I don't think there is any dispute about it. Where else can you find a spell that takes the form of a recipe, with the listed ingredients following this formula: "[body part] of a [disgusting creature]"?
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    I said that the general spell formulae were inspired by the Bard, not the specific texts X wrote, and I don't think there is any dispute about it. Where else can you find a spell that takes the form of a recipe, with the listed ingredients following this formula: "[body part] of a [disgusting creature]"?
    I first heard something like that in Disney's "Trick Or Treat" (1952) with Donald Duck and Witch Hazel, years before I'd ever heard the Macbeth spell. ("This is the real thing, you know. Right out of Shakespeare!") Interestingly, I heard it the same day I first heard Madame Leota's incantation. It was on the Disneyland Record album "Trick Or Treat", which has an abridged version of "The Story and Song from The Haunted Mansion" on the flip side.

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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Yep, the formulae are used everywhere, and they all go back to MacBeth.
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    Re: The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    Next month's blog post is going to be a mammoth one. The first ever history of the berm graveyard, and related matters.

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    Q: We know the BG was taken out in 2000, but what year did it debut?
    A: Probably 1973, give or take one year.
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    The quality at the blog always shines, but it will be a nice treat to get a quantity posting to go with that quality. Thanks for keeping us all supplied with amazing facts and pics.

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