Woahhhhh!! that view is just... wow!Originally Posted by asianbma
Mint's Updated are up.
My Favorite pic from Mint's Pic is this one -
I can't believe today is the clearest day that you can see Downtown L.A and the Hollywood Sign and Griff Observatory. Awesome!
They have started to install the stained glass on LMA
as seen in this concept art:
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I wonder how it will work with a parade coming through here if they have a queue set up like this on busy days?
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And what's so wrong about doing that? The person (or persons) doing it paid money to get into the park. If they want to spend a good percentage of that $$$ just waiting around on concrete for a 30 minute show, I say let them. If it's "so" important for someone to see a show up close or have a "good" spot, then they need to show up early at the appropriate time before the show. All the Showpass thing does is offer a crutch to people who aren't willing to do what it takes to get what they supposedly want - a good seat/view.
That's just my two cents.
The problem with that is eventually the place will be choked with people holding spots with blankets and you either walk over them or go around the entire pier to get to the rides. It's a stupid idea. Go to Tokyo Disneyland and see this happen every day during the summer. Families park themselves all day on the sidewalks of Main Street for hours to see a parade. You can't walk down Main Street without tripping over people staking out spots for a Parade. This was several years ago when I friend was working there and he said it was impossible to get down Main Street on busy days because of this. You could only walk down the street. I don't know if the Park finally stopped this or not. I know they stopped pin trading inside the Park because it was just getting insane with Pin Traders attacking CM's to get pins off there lanyards and injuring plenty of CM's in the process. They made them go outside the Park to trade pins. They can come in to buy the pins, but no trading inside the Parks at Tokyo. Again, I don't know if this is still true or not. It was several years ago again from my friend who worked there for 4 years in a row.
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How is this any different than on busy days when it's nearly impossible to walk in and out of areas of Disneyland like Adventureland? Does this mean Disney should enforce a rule that you must get a Landpass in order to utilize the land at certain times of the day or only be allowed in after x-time? Sorry, but walking around people is both part of going to a theme park and getting through everyday life.
(Btw, I'm not "attacking" you. Merely trying to get my point across.)
Your friend is clearly a very reliable source considering Tokyo Disneyland doesn't have a Main Street, they have World Bazaar, and the parade route doesn't even run down World Bazaar.
Yes it is. It will get so crowded with people sitting on the ground on blankets it would far worse than Fantasmic which is not really in a walkway as there are three and they are in the first one closest to the water. At DCA the only walkway is the one between the WOC viewing area and The Little Mermaid building. They can't block that walkway with hundreds of people sitting on their butts in the street (and they would take up the entire walkway from front to back and side to side).
It will happen because when people gather in one spot to wait for something the Herd effect takes over and they become animals. That is something you don't want to see. It is horrible and perhaps the most frightening thing that could happen in a Theme Park. Just let the Fast Pass continue to do it's job and keep the walkways open and queue people for WOC with the Fast Passes. It's working so don't fool with it.
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Well you are right about that. What he meant was the streets the Parades do go down. I just don't have a name for them. I know Tokyo has The World Bazaar, I just used the Main Street as a name for the Parade Route. But whatever, the idea is the same. People gather to see a parade for hours before the parade starts and stepping over and around people is a real pain.
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Isn't the whole idea of the new DCA supposed to represent (generally) California pre-Walt, while Disneyland represents what Walt brought to California? In that respect, the Main Street/Buena Vista Street and Partners statues work perfectly.
California as Walt found it, but not nessisarily pre.
They did pay money, but they ruin the aesthetic and congest the walkway. In Paradise Park however, picnickers would fit well with the scenery. Picnics in the park were common weren't they?
Yes it was.
Probably redirect the queue from where it is now. I thought the parade route was going to come out where the trolley tracks lead.I wonder how it will work with a parade coming through here if they have a queue set up like this on busy days?
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They'll move the queue prior to the parade. Similar to what they do for the Fantasyland side queue for Matterhorn.
It becomes a problem when it begins to have an effect on the flow of traffic HOURS before the show starts. It becomes a problem when it starts impacting other guests day. This is why ShowPass was created. It evens the playing field and leaves an area of the park open for all guests during the time before the show. It would work very well for F! as well if they could just find a good place for the line up before the show. I'm thinking all long BTT.
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Unless I'm mistaken, the parade route doesn't/won't go through that gate. It will use the gate where the Red Car tracks go back stage.
As for showpass, it's an absolute necessity for a number of reasons.
The first and foremost is that people who are on vacation with their families, and might only have 2 or 3 days to visit, wouldn't be able to see the show otherwise. Sure, they could waste 6 hours setting up camp, having to deal with sunburns, cranky kids, etc, if they wanted to. It would kill most of the day when they only have limited time to be at DLR to begin with. Ultimately, they would probably choose to skip the show and miss out altogether, or show up at the end and get an awful view.
Another reason it's necessary is, as has been mentioned, people would be lining up hours and hours and hours before the show. And yes, that's kinda crazy, and yes "if they wanna sit on concrete for hours let them," but the problem comes when people who DON'T want to sit on concrete for hours actually want to catch the show. You have no choice but to tough it out for hours waiting to get a good spot, or you show up at the last minute, again, resulting in a sub-par viewing experience.
Showpass is the most equitable, convenient, and appropriate way to do a show that's in high demand like WoC. There are VERY few negatives, and the negatives are nothing compared to the disaster that would ensue if there was no showpass.
The showpass argument reminds me a lot of the attraction fastpass argument. Some people wish there was no fastpass, but I personally don't want to wait over an hour, possibly two hours or more, for Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, ToT, Radiator Springs Racers, etc. Fastpass may slow down the standby line, but at least it gives me the option to ride those attractions without sitting in line for hours. People who think lines would suddenly be magically short without fastpass are living in a dreamworld. I've been to WDW before fastpass, and had to wait 3 hours to ride Splash Mountain on my first visit. It was either wait 3 hours or simply not ride it. Not riding it wasn't an option for me - I was looking forward to it far too much.
Not having fastpass on rides like TSMM hasn't reduced standby line to manageable levels. It's still upwards of an hour on busy days.
Showpass for WoC is the same deal. Without it, you either sit and wait for hours before the show, or miss out on a good view completely. Not to mention the hilariously chaotic scene you would see after the first WoC ended. Could you imagine 4,000 people all battling through the exiting crowd to try and get a good seat for the 2nd show? Where would they line up and organize without a showpass system and specific lines/queues to wait in? It's chaotic enough WITH showpass/fastpass... without it would be a disaster waiting to happen. Then what happens when the park is crowded and 10,000 people think they can all get a good spot for the 2nd WoC? Where do the leftover 6,000 people go? Chaos, dude... Chaos.
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