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    Ideas not easily forgotten.

    It is truly a confoundment when newly adorn attractions, themed-lands and/or entertainment offerings are pitched.

    Especially, of course, along with the concept art that accompanies with.

    It reveals "what will be".

    Or...


    instead, expresses "what could have been."


    Specifically, many still hold on to the belief that some of those
    "never-built" notions will come into fruition. Such as Beastly Kingdom for
    Animal Kingdom, Discovery Bay for Disneyland or the
    Western River Expedition intended for the Magic Kingdom.
    These conceptions have yet to be brought to life, but many
    still hold on with great desire that they will be. In some form or another.


    And, yet again, here is just another "reason" to hold on...


    Concept art by Tim Delaney.
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    The above image showcases the climatic ending of a re-designed
    Pirates of the Caribbean attraction. In which would have resided
    in a pirate themed sub-land branching off of Adventureland that
    was proposed for the expansion of Hong Kong Disneyland.

    And, unfortunately, was "nixed".


    This discussion is to re-literate as to why many of us can never seem
    to let go of specific attractions or themed areas that were acknowledged
    to the world but never came to be.

    There is something that binds us to these never built conceptions.

    But what is it that makes it special and why can it never be let go of?

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    wow, amazing concept art

    Skull Mountain....sounds like....something from Six flags....
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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Wow, that looks really cool.
    "It has that thing - the imagination, and the feeling of happy excitement - I knew when I was kid."
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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob™ View Post

    This discussion is to re-literate as to why many of us can never seem
    to let go of specific attractions or themed areas that were acknowledged
    to the world but never came to be.

    There is something that binds us to these never built conceptions.

    But what is it that makes it special and why can it never be let go of?
    In a word, idealism.

    At least for me that's what it is. I've got this idealist imagination that conjures a perfect world - not just with theme parks. But with theme parks, artwork of the bluesky can remain perfect in one's mind - not subject to the realities that bring the actual back down to earth. it can't be nitpicked, outgrown, broken down by age.

    Similarly, WRE, Discovery Bay, etc. represent endless, perfect adventures - a return to boyhood days, perhaps, like Peter Pan in Neverland.

    But we grow up. And we are forced to perceive the world as it is, not as the perfect thing we wish it to be. So, the idealist often gets warped into a cynic by the distinctly imperfect world in which we live.

    But, in my mind, I can still imagine those Neverlands... and Tim Delaney's art helps.

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Thankfully, we don't need to live by the strict rules of Iger'$ bottom line like imagineers do.

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Yet, a good idea never ideas.
    Just look at The little Mermaid Ride coming over to DCA.
    Originally Planned for DLP but was scrapped due to budget cuts.
    Now its coming over DCA and the MK.
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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandySavage View Post
    In a word, idealism.

    At least for me that's what it is. I've got this idealist imagination that conjures a perfect world - not just with theme parks. But with theme parks, artwork of the bluesky can remain perfect in one's mind - not subject to the realities that bring the actual back down to earth. it can't be nitpicked, outgrown, broken down by age.

    Similarly, WRE, Discovery Bay, etc. represent endless, perfect adventures - a return to boyhood days, perhaps, like Peter Pan in Neverland.

    But we grow up. And we are forced to perceive the world as it is, not as the perfect thing we wish it to be. So, the idealist often gets warped into a cynic by the distinctly imperfect world in which we live.

    But, in my mind, I can still imagine those Neverlands... and Tim Delaney's art helps.
    This is a great post, and it's absolutely true. The reason I still obsess over WRE and the other things is that in my mind I'm constantly looking for that Platonic ideal version of the park. The MK was planned with WRE as an integral element. It was tied into Frontierland in so many ways - it was a key part of the park. So how can the MK be complete without it?

    In my mind, I often try to cobble together what would be the lineup for the perfect version of a Disney resort. The parks would need a kingdom with the refined style of DLP combined with the attraction mix of DL and WDW, there would be a fusion of the concepts for EPCOT and WESTCOT, DisneySea would be there, and maybe Animal Kingdom - with Beastly intact, of course.

    Beastly is a great example of this - it's a fundamental part of the DAK ideal, so in the perfect world it would have to be there.

    I think you're totally right as to why these ideas persist. Because they're part of the perfect world in our minds.

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Quote Originally Posted by mainejeff View Post
    Thankfully, we don't need to live by the strict rules of Iger'$ bottom line like imagineers do.
    Hear, hear.
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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    To RandySavage and MiklCraw...

    extraordinarily stated.



    And because this subject deserves more input, a bump.

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Play the new Epic Mickey games, it going to have many retired rides and ride that never made it off the concept stages.

    Anyway (back to not advertise games) I think Disney has had 1000 of great ideas that either are too expensive or aren't money makers (no character toys/etc to sell)

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    I'm HUGELY interested in Imagineering's never built plans - so much so I have a website about it, The Neverland Files. I've managed to collect hundreds of pieces of concept art for it, and have information on many times more.

    As has been said, I think the fascination about these concepts is because they never had to go through the realities that impact attractions that are actually built. Cost, space, technology and licenses can all be ignored, whereas greenlit attractions need to go through numerous reinventions, scaling downs and corner cuttings. It's funny, Imagineer Eddie Sotto once said to me jokingly that he wished NONE of his attractions ever got built - because people are far more fascinated in the ones that didn't!

    I think another thing that makes the concept attractions even more appealing is that because we only get a tiny glimpse at these (a handful of concept art or even just a few brief description sentences -- sometimes even only a name), everyone's able to imagine them in their mind how they would like to see them, regardless of what the attraction would actually be like. I think the best example of this is Western River Expedition, which has become somewhat mythical in Disney fans' eyes because most people think its something that it's not.

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    Re: Ideas not easily forgotten.

    Pirate's Land could still come to fruition in Shanghai, and so could the other HK rejected land, Glacier Mountain. We'll have to wait and find out until the Shanghai DL details come.


    I'll always wait for WestCot to come to the DLR someday, even if it's 30 years from now.

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