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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Timekeeper View Post
    This sounds a bit suspicious, not like suicide, but more like homicide or murder.


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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Speaking of odd responses, Bruce's post didn't accuse Disney of trying to cover up anything.

    He simply stated a long-known fact: Orange County's "main stream media" treats bad news about Disney with extremely delicate fingers encased in kid gloves.
    Bingo. No overt threats have to be made, the papers and media outlets know which side their bread is buttered on. About the only place you find these things actually spoken about openly is Snopes and Mouse Tales and the like - you have to search them out.

    And Timekeeper raises an interesting point - What's the best way to cover up a murder? Do it where they'll instantly think it's suicide, and where the property owners will toss their clout around to make the problem go away quietly without really looking...

    It's a mess, it's a tragedy... But I certainly hope each incident gets thoroughly and impartially investigated. And that "keeping it quiet" isn't allowed to override or delay proper investigative procedures.

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    Bingo. No overt threats have to be made, the papers and media outlets know which side their bread is buttered on.
    That's not what you posted though. You explicitly suggested that Disney uses threats to keep the newspapers in line.

    I love how Disney has the OC Register and other Mainstream Media thoroughly cowed - "We buy lots of advertising in your paper, but that can change depending on how we are treated by the Editorial and News staff."
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    And Timekeeper raises an interesting point - What's the best way to cover up a murder? Do it where they'll instantly think it's suicide, and where the property owners will toss their clout around to make the problem go away quietly without really looking...

    It's a mess, it's a tragedy... But I certainly hope each incident gets thoroughly and impartially investigated. And that "keeping it quiet" isn't allowed to override or delay proper investigative procedures.

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    Again, indicting Disney by suggesting they will do what it takes, apply pressure, "toss their clout", in order to somehow block or at least blur a full investigation into the incident? It doesn't matter how you spin it, that's what you're saying.

    So a suicide or possibly a murder occurs at Disneyland and Disney, the newspapers and the APD all conspire to keep the details quiet? Do you have proof of these "facts"?

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Just wondering where the allegations of foul play in regard to the actual event are coming from? How does it seem suspicious?

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    So a suicide or possibly a murder occurs at Disneyland and Disney, the newspapers and the APD all conspire to keep the details quiet? Do you have proof of these "facts"?
    Oh, please. That's not what happens. There is no "conspiracy" and details are not "kept quiet," they're reported -- bare bones, as second-or third-tier stories, buried in the middle of the paper.

    The difference between the MSM in Orange County and everywhere else is that in OC, the MSM (such as it is) doesn't use negative-Disney stories as a tool to leverage sales of their media product -- while everyone else does. OC MSM does the minimum necessary in reporting the information to keep their credibility as a news source, but always in a way that insures they don't piss off the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Oh, please. That's not what happens. There is no "conspiracy" and details are not "kept quiet," they're reported -- bare bones, as second-or third-tier stories, buried in the middle of the paper.

    The difference between the MSM in Orange County and everywhere else is that in OC, the MSM (such as it is) doesn't use negative-Disney stories as a tool to leverage sales of their media product -- while everyone else does. OC MSM does the minimum necessary in reporting the information to keep their credibility as a news source, but always in a way that insures they don't piss off the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

    The one wearing the Mouse Ears.
    Don't oh please me, oh please Bruce, he's the one saying it, I'm just questioning why.

    It's ironic that a thread discussing the tragedy has been usurped by posts suggesting the tragedy might be covered up.

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    It's ironic that a thread discussing the tragedy has been usurped by posts suggesting the tragedy might be covered up.
    Considering the ends to which the Disney Corporation goes to control its image, not ironic at all.

    Outside of those who are its active advocates, supporters and defenders, Disney has little credibility when it comes to stories of tragedy that occur on or near its property. A relationship with the public, unfortunately, that is largely of its own making.
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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Law and Order: Micechat.

    A man lost his life thats all that matters. The man did not die at Disneyland he died at the hospital incidents happen anybody can die anywere at anytime.
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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by d.N.d. View Post
    The man did not die at Disneyland he died at the hospital incidents happen anybody can die anywere at anytime.
    In fact, the man died as the result of a fall from Disneyland's "Mickey and Friends" parking structure. A place where millions have parked their cars on their way to a day of fun and magic at the world's most famous theme park.

    The juxtaposition of extreme emotional opposites, and the rarity of the event, make it part of the human drama we call "news."

    The fact that the victim is reported to have had a suicide note but no other identification -- that he is an unknown person -- makes it a mystery.

    The fact that the story broke in a news outlet that has traditionally soft-soaped Disney's darker side makes it, if not overtly suspicious, definitely worthy of further watching.

    Meanwhile, brushing off this tragedy as "anybody can die anywhere at any time" may sound like rationality to some -- and a blatant attempt to defend Disney to others.
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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Yikes. I question whether all this is necessary? It would appear as though there is a lot of finger pointing and speculation here, all of which is based off of very little solid information.

    Also, the way in which a perceived reporting style has affected how this news is being interpreted and discussed seems somewhat speculative. I fear the data interpolated could very well be off the mark.

    I would assume that the size and content of the report was dictated by the ammount of information that is available to the media, which from what was reported seems very minimal. Its hard to write a long story on such little basis.

    Can we wait for more information before a rift is driven deeper, and in the meantime focus on what should be the big issue here?

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    I would assume that the size and content of the report was dictated by the ammount of information that is available to the media, which from what was reported seems very minimal. Its hard to write a long story on such little basis.
    A safe assumption -- if the story had broken in the Los Angeles Times or the San Francisco Chronicle.

    Given it was the OC Register, with its long tradition of accentuating the positive and softening the negative in any story that mentions the Mouse, it's a naive assumption.

    Is there any concrete evidence that the Register is withholding any available facts on this story? No.

    Does the Register's traditional style of reporting Disney news give confidence that it is definitely reporting all the available facts on this story? Certainly not.
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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    If it is suicide, I find it disturbing that this is becoming more common at Disneyland. Tough enough to understand the act, doing it at a place full of children is unspeakable.

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    So sad that one had to resort to suicide but I also feel terrible for the person that had to find him.

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    Re: Man found injured near M&F Parking structure later dies at hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    A safe assumption -- if the story had broken in the Los Angeles Times or the San Francisco Chronicle.

    Given it was the OC Register, with its long tradition of accentuating the positive and softening the negative in any story that mentions the Mouse, it's a naive assumption.

    Is there any concrete evidence that the Register is withholding any available facts on this story? No.

    Does the Register's traditional style of reporting Disney news give confidence that it is definitely reporting all the available facts on this story? Certainly not.
    They mentioned that no foul play was suspected, they mentioned that the man was unidentified, they mentioned what he was carrying, where he was found, and that a Disney security guard found him. Unless your accusing them of knowing his identiy and hiding it, the only other things they could do are include photos, discuss how the economy or other social stresses may have played into this, speculate injuries or discuss other suicide attempts on property. If they had done that we would all be saying how distasteful their reporting is.

    What is it you want from them?

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