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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Well it wouldn't have to go along all 4 freeways it takes to go from LA to DL, it could take a more direct route, going along the freeway route is just impractical. Plus, there's already light rail lines on some of those freeways.

    As for the cost, well I don't know how Las Vegas did it, but whatever the cost is, if they wanted to do it, they could definitely figure out a way through different contractor bids and through state subsidies and sharing of profits to get it done.

    Yes, there are bus lines currently, but thinking long term a monorail system would be more cost effective. You need to think 5, 10, 20 years out and the cost of fuel and maintenance and time stuck in traffic that the buses take to operate. Those costs add up to much more than a monorail system would. The monorail could be electric powered and get the power from the track itself. They could have solar panels spaced all along the track to provide power and the monorail would get energy from the track as it moved and any excess power from the panels could go back into the grid, and then when the panels weren't providing enough they could get energy back from the grid again. This isn't even factoring in the 'green' environmental benefits this would create for SoCal air as well as for the company. With the new climate change laws in CA, they might even be able to get some sort of write off or tax credit for doing a system like this that reduces emissions.

    As for the Green Line problem, oh yea I'm well aware of that, I live near the Green Line. However as part of the 30/10 plan, they are planning to build a Green Line extension that will finally go to LAX in the next few years. And again, while most people who fly into LAX aren't going to Disneyland, this wouldn't just benefit those people, but could benefit all people living in LA, especially the west side, who go on a regular basis. And as for parking fee losses, it's not like this would be free, people could either pay every time they ride, or they could have a fee added on to their AP so they could get unlimited rides throughout the year.

    It'll definitely be costly, and a big project, but in the long run it would be worth it, it would save the company money, make it easier and more convenient for lots of people to go to the DLR. Not just for the parks, but to see a concert at the House of Blues or even if they're going to events at the convention center or something. And it makes environmental sense.

    It may not happen soon, but I think overall it's a good beneficial idea.. and where there's a will, there's a way. If Walt taught us anything with Disneyland, it's that.
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Ah. I get it now.
    YOU want the monorail so YOU can get to Disneyland.

    I want a helicopter flown by a pilot from my house to Disneyland. Disney should provide this, since it will help a lot of people who currently get in my way on my way to Disneyland.
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    The trip would be a little over an hour long. They would never build a monorail from LAX to DL, when they could just use Shuttles.


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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Frankly, I think Disney would rather spend the money connecting EPCOT, the Studios and Animal Kingdom with a monorail line than funding one for greater Los Angeles to get to the parks in Anaheim. And they don't even want to spend the money in Florida.

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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    They tried to do this in OC but light rail would need to pass through too many upper middle class neighborhoods, and so the "NIMBYs" eventually struck it down.

    Which leads mento my point that the only place they could really put this in is through lower class neighborhoods and I honestly don't think that Disney wants any potential guests to witness the seediness of these areas en route to Disneyland.

    Oh. And as Sediment pointed out Disneyland is not the only reason people come to the LA area... In fact IMO the beaches are more popular during the summer. I think it's during the rest of the year that Disneyland makes up the difference as being the most popular tourist attraction in California.

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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Monorail from LAX and / or SNA is a nice idea. Can you imagine the nightmare of luggage. So many people bring so much luggage. Would you have attendants to help load it into a baggage car or would guests haul it into the monorail themselves. Perhaps they could have a separate monorail to follow behind that was luggage and packages only.

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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesDusenberry View Post
    As for the cost, well I don't know how Las Vegas did it, but whatever the cost is, if they wanted to do it, they could definitely figure out a way through different contractor bids and through state subsidies and sharing of profits to get it done.

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    Now you look at Las vegas monorail system
    some we fund by state and two Big castino company one is HARRAH'S have 6 castino resort on the monorail
    and more close by
    I can not remember if hiton was acquire Harrah's
    I think the is now there is about five Castion company own las vegas
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Ah. I get it now.
    YOU want the monorail so YOU can get to Disneyland.

    I want a helicopter flown by a pilot from my house to Disneyland. Disney should provide this, since it will help a lot of people who currently get in my way on my way to Disneyland.
    Clearly by the amount he wrote in his post he wasn't just talking about himself.

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    Wink Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Ya know a town with money's a little like the mule with the spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
    How shall i do it?
    I know...i'll turn him into a flea
    a harmless little flea
    then i'll put that flea in a box
    then i'll put that box into another box
    and then i'll mail that box to myself
    and when it arrives?!?!?!
    I'LL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    At the cost of the Las Vegas System, it would only cost five billion dollars. Of course, there is no proof that elevated LRT would be any cheaper.

    Whether your putting up a beam for a monorail or a platform to lay light rail tracks on, the cost ends up about the same. The smaller beam of the monorail takes less materials but costs more because it has to be custom while the more generic cement platform needs more cement and more in terms of rails, ties and all that other stuff. It works out much more even than people on either side of the debate are willing to admit.

    A million factors play into the cost but while the Las Vegas Monorail was estimated at $88 million/mile, the Seattle Light Rail project was estimated at an astounding $179 million/mile. Examples of the reverse can be easily found as well only proving that there is no superior method for all cases.


    To deal with hypothetical though, let's look at the travel time, the current trains apparently travel about 55km/h (thats ~35mph) and the road distance is apparently about the exact same length. I would assume that they could speed the trains up for long distance travel, or maybe find a more direct route, but to be conservative lets assume the current driving distance is applicable. So, the trip would take an hour. Thats a drawback to be sure except for at the busiest times when the freeway takes over an hour to navigate.


    So, as it were, the shuttle busses are a huge cost savings because until gas prices really go up, there is no way that the system would pay off its huge initial expense... It seems unlikely the profits would be enough to justify it whether they went with LRT, High Speed Rail or Monorail.
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Quote Originally Posted by akfandisney View Post
    Now you look at Las vegas monorail system
    some we fund by state and two Big castino company one is HARRAH'S have 6 castino resort on the monorail
    and more close by
    I can not remember if hiton was acquire Harrah's
    I think the is now there is about five Castion company own las vegas
    hilton is not owned by Harrahs.. The problem that has occured with the vegas monorail is the stops are at the very back of the hotels making it inconvenient for the guests.. It also only hits one side of the strip
    Mgm Grand
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    its very inconvenient in a town that is 24/7 it only runs 7am-2am monday-thursday and 7am-3am on the weekends
    Costwise a single ride ticket is 5.00 one day is 12.00 and 3 days is 28.00 . They try to make money but they always run at loss and are close to bankruptcy. They need to stop trying to make money and always lose and it needs to be comprable to the cost of public transportation

    With Lax to Anaheim monorail it is very unlikely ,as others have said lightrail is probably the closest you will get and you will have to transfer a couple times...

    The cities in america really have screwed themselves over but not being smart urban planners and factoring in regional and local transportation options...


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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Its not that they weren't smart urban planners, but rather that the cities grew so fast and meshed together so unpredictably. Now, the mess is made and almost impossible to correct.

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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    It's not the legal, cost and construction issues that are the problem, it's the DL/DCA ticketing nightmare.

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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Quote Originally Posted by EeyorezLilSis View Post
    Ya know a town with money's a little like the mule with the spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
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    Re: Build the Monorail from LAX to Disneyland!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    It's not the legal, cost and construction issues that are the problem, it's the DL/DCA ticketing nightmare.
    Bahahahaha Love it!

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