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    Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    I know the immediate reaction the "old timers" had to the announcement of Tangaroa Terrace was "Hey they're bringing the Tahitian back!". I also know many of us have begged and pleaded for an Adventurer's Club to be built within Disneyland. On a small scale, Sam's and Tangaroa fill that void. However here's the question; Do you like the placement at the Hotel, or would these establishments be better suited to an Adventureland placement?
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    I think it is fine at the hotel. And you can bet that they didn't call it the Tahitian Terrace because they'd like to reserve the right to bring the diner show back to Disneyland at some point in the future.

    What's more interesting is that the hotel tore down Hooks Point, the Lost Bar and Crock's Bits and Bites but only replaced the quick serve and bar and not the full service restaurant or wine bar below it. It was a net loss for the resort.

    Also, keep in mind that the Japanese restaurant at the Paradise Pier hotel was also closed and has not been replaced. The resort is shrinking.
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    ^ Well, food options at the resort are. Sure they are opening two new places at DCA but those are replacing two that closed.

    The lack of a sit-down restaurant in Cars Land is also (IMO) a net-loss.


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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    I'm fine with it being outside of Disneyland. Since I'm blocked out on Saturdays this summer I was planing on hanging out there the evening of the Saturday I'm there for Expo and if it was IN the park I couldn't do that.

    Its nice to have some options outside because sometimes it is nice to get out of the park proper to rest and relax.




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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Mod's... I put this in the "other" on accident... any chance someone could move it to the DLand forum and delete this post for me... please... sorry!
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Keep in mind that Trader Sam's couldn't serve alcohol if it was inside Disneyland's gates
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    ^^Yeah, which is exactly why I think its great to have Trader Sam's there. Whats the point of having a really nice themed bar, but cant serve alcohol? It like opening up a burger joint but everything is vegetarian on the menu. That reason alone is why I think its great to have it at the hotel. The day Disneyland allows alcohol, buid an Adventures Club that I been hearing so much about and can really have some fun with it. Also the other reason it should at the hotel are the hours. When DL/DCA closes, so do those joints. But Trader Sam's technically can stay open until 2 a.m. And like the Grand bar, it would be a nice 'after hours' place to go as well. So yeah, perfect place to have it IMO.
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    My experience differs from the "net loss" comments above. The reason the the table service dining location no longer exists is simple: there are too many. Plus, Hooke's Pointe was never particularly busy (nor was the Japanese restaurant at Paradise Pier). OTOH, Steakhouse 55 and Goofy's Kitchen are continuously popular. Having three table service locations at the DL Hotel is rather top-heavy. On the flip side, there wasn't enough quick service dining. Crock's Bits & Bites was no Tangaroa Terrace. Its kitchen and menu were extremely small, and its seating area was incredibly generic and inadequate. The Tangaroa Terrace solves several problems: First, it solves the "inadequate theming problem". Second, it solves the "inadequate quick service" problem. Third, it solves the "too much table service" problem. It's a triple win all around, with no loss at all. Plus, it's quite an effective use of space.

    Regarding the lack of table service at Cars Land, that's not quite true either. There are plans to put in a table service location there, but it will go in some time after the opening of Cars Land. Given that there will be a new table service dining location on Buena Vista Street by the time Cars Land opens, I see the prudence in holding off right away. I'd hate to see a repeat of Hollywood & Dine.

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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    ALL excellent points!! As I been saying, the LAST thing DLH needed was another full service restaurant. Because of DTD, you have SO many options now anyway. Four of them are just 5 minutes walk from the hotel. And yes, there is Steak 55 for dinner AND Goofy Kitchen for buffet. DLH needed a light and quick service, which is was lacking when the Crocs one shut down. And yeah, I ate at that one twice---not exactly a must do kind of place.

    As for DCA, they already have two full service restaurants now, one more than DL. And next year when CCT opens, that will be three. I think thats enough personnally. If they make more, fine, but yeah look what happened to DCA in 2001, there were TOO many of those places to begin with. The park is better and I assume will be busier, but there will be tons of food options already, especially with PGG.

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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    There is no room for TS or TT inside of the berm, unless they tore out Aladdin's. Which would actually be a pretty cool location for it.


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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustysage View Post
    What's more interesting is that the hotel tore down Hooks Point, the Lost Bar and Crock's Bits and Bites but only replaced the quick serve and bar and not the full service restaurant or wine bar below it. It was a net loss for the resort.
    Bingo. Or rather, it's a net loss for the resort's customers. It's a net gain for the resort, which will rake in enormously more profit with a serve-yourself quickie food outlet than it could with a full service restaurant.

    Bon appetit to the guests of the Disneyland Hotel, who again are being offered nothing but the very best -- as befits their $320 per night room rate.

    Speaking of value, how about that outside decor, eh?



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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiversOfAmerica View Post
    My experience differs from the "net loss" comments above. The reason the the table service dining location no longer exists is simple: there are too many. Plus, Hooke's Pointe was never particularly busy (nor was the Japanese restaurant at Paradise Pier). OTOH, Steakhouse 55 and Goofy's Kitchen are continuously popular. Having three table service locations at the DL Hotel is rather top-heavy. On the flip side, there wasn't enough quick service dining. Crock's Bits & Bites was no Tangaroa Terrace. Its kitchen and menu were extremely small, and its seating area was incredibly generic and inadequate. The Tangaroa Terrace solves several problems: First, it solves the "inadequate theming problem". Second, it solves the "inadequate quick service" problem. Third, it solves the "too much table service" problem. It's a triple win all around, with no loss at all. Plus, it's quite an effective use of space.

    Regarding the lack of table service at Cars Land, that's not quite true either. There are plans to put in a table service location there, but it will go in some time after the opening of Cars Land. Given that there will be a new table service dining location on Buena Vista Street by the time Cars Land opens, I see the prudence in holding off right away. I'd hate to see a repeat of Hollywood & Dine.
    It's still a net loss. I'm really surprised that the DL Hotel Imagineers ignored the cries for a family style sit down restaurant. A replacement for the old Monorail Cafe has been continually asked for, ever since construction began for DCA. IF they were not going to replace Hook's point with another similar style restaurant, they should certainly have replaced it with a new monorail cafe, after all, they do have 2 new "monorails" at the DL hotel now. (and just have to add, the lighting on the waterfall for the new pool looks horrible. the lighting does nothing to accentuate the waterfall, and only serves to light up the ugleee staircase area.)

    Oh, and not to mention the loss of the additional shopping/game area, and themed mini Jungle Cruise boat area (and of course multilevel waterfall/garden area, and the loss of the Koi pond, and old water show area) Too damn much was taken away with this remodel.

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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Actually I WILL agree a family style restaurant wouldve been nice and yes, I remember the Monorail Cafe fondly and said it was really the only dissappointment to me that was gone for the resort revamp.

    So I agree if they had something a little less high end and a little casual like a Red Robbins type of place, that wouldve been nice actually. That wouldve been a nice go-between with the two.

    I still have no problems with a quick service place though. Where else in the area can you find quick service if you just want a quick bite? You basically have to go to GCH to Snack Waters and kind of kills the point if you have to walk all the way over there for it.

    As for your point about the waterfalls and missing Jungle Cruise boats, I will agree, it sucks a lot of that was wiped out, but we havent seen the entire revamp yet. I still think the geysers will be a cool addition (and look waaaay more updated than the falls) and other little surprises can happen. As for the old water show area. LOL, c'mon, that thing sat there unused, dated and tacky for years now. I remember when I saw it as a teenager it was bad then. That NEEDED to be removed to give the area a more modern look.
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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Bingo. Or rather, it's a net loss for the resort's customers. It's a net gain for the resort, which will rake in enormously more profit with a serve-yourself quickie food outlet than it could with a full service restaurant.

    Bon appetit to the guests of the Disneyland Hotel, who again are being offered nothing but the very best -- as befits their $320 per night room rate.

    Speaking of value, how about that outside decor, eh?



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    Well I think ANYONE is nuts if they are paying more than $300 a night for a hotel room that is probably worth only $180 lol. But the name of the place and location gets people through the door. I rather stay at the Hilton or Sheraton which is only a fraction of the price.

    And you may not like the new area and think its cheap looking, but you have to admit, its still a vast improvement than what was there before.

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    Re: Would Tangaroa Terrace & Trader Sams have worked better inside the berm?

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    I think it is fine at the hotel. And you can bet that they didn't call it the Tahitian Terrace because they'd like to reserve the right to bring the diner show back to Disneyland at some point in the future.

    What's more interesting is that the hotel tore down Hooks Point, the Lost Bar and Crock's Bits and Bites but only replaced the quick serve and bar and not the full service restaurant or wine bar below it. It was a net loss for the resort.

    Also, keep in mind that the Japanese restaurant at the Paradise Pier hotel was also closed and has not been replaced. The resort is shrinking.
    As I've said many times here, losing the Wine Cellar was such a major loss for the resort. It was extremely charming, educational from a wine perspective, and unique. One of those little gems for wine people such as myself. Nothing was better than spending half a day at the park then unwinding a bit with a flight of unique wine in a cozy setting away from the hustle and bustle.

    I really, really, really hope they bring back something semi-comparable in the future.
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