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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    It needs 1080 HD. Also, is it a simulator or do you just sit on hang glider seats?

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    I like your ideas, but I do agree with what others have said, 20 minutes would be much to long, it would stat to get really uncomfortable in those hang gliders after awhile. I dont know about 3D either, Disney seems to be putting all their eggs in one basket when it comes to that technology. Circle vision sounds interesting though!

    I have my own thoughts on the ride bellow, if you would like to read them.

    The ride is truly stunning as is, but smoothing the transitions between scenes would help greatly. Having the location change so abruptly does far more to break the atmosphere than the feet dangling overhead or even the visible edge of the screen. All they would have to do is adjust the film ever so slightly, have the gliders "fly" through smoke or clouds or trees and come out in a different location.The greatest part would be you could keep the score more or less the same, but have another composer tweak it slightly to make up for the extra five or six seconds the new transitions would add to the film. Sadly, knowing Disney, they might very well just order up a new score.
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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    I think Sorin' is well known for the score. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't remove it.
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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneytwins View Post
    I think Sorin' is well known for the score. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't remove it.

    I always thought it would be cool if a marching band did the music of Disney Parks for a show, with the music of Soarin' and Fantasmic.
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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Mably View Post
    It needs 1080 HD. Also, is it a simulator or do you just sit on hang glider seats?
    Soarin' was shot on 70mm Film. The digital equivieland would be 8192p.

    1080p would look like a youtube video in comparison.


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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ukulele Guy View Post
    Agreed. Being able to see the edges already breaks the illusion, and the graininess makes it even worse. How difficult could it be to take the film, remaster it, and put it up again? They probably wouldn't even need to shut it down. It would be an overnight deal.
    I think you may be underestimating the scope of this project. To remaster something of this scope would take a very long time that could be spent upgrading the rest of the park that is currently in worse shape than the ride film is. The film is shot with a higher speed and resolution than most movies even those released for commercial IMAX. Also, running this new film on the old projector would render this process useless--Disney would need to install brand new projectors capable of running this new digital video and with the way the ride is set up, I imagine this would be pretty hard to do.

    I'm not saying I'm a video expert and I definitely want the upgrade, but I also want to defend the ride's current state--Spider-Man at IOA is getting digital video and the whole refurb will take nearly half a year, maybe even more. So for now, I think we can enjoy Soarin, even if the video is a little grainy at some times

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    really, what other sights are there to see? they went to all the great sights of california

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ukulele Guy View Post

    I always thought it would be cool if a marching band did the music of Disney Parks for a show, with the music of Soarin' and Fantasmic.

    The Disneyland Marching Band is great and all but nothing beats an orchestra. I heard that the composer for the Sorin' score came off the ride in tears and frankly, I don't blame the dude.
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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by 999happyhants View Post
    really, what other sights are there to see? they went to all the great sights of california
    I think they covered it all, and I don't think they will add anymore unless they switch the whole ride video to animation. Filming the ride must have been extremely difficult if you think about it. Not only did Disney have to lease helicopters and strap state-of-the-art IMAX cameras to the side of them, but they had to render the film, add visual effects which is very time-consuming when dealing with such a high resolution. Additionally, Disney needs permits to fly over every location that they flew over. The LA scene is so short and quick because Disney could not get permission to film there, so they did the best they could in a short amount of time without getting caught (that's what I've heard, anyway).

    If it was easy to film, there would have been a new video to accompany the Soarin ride at Epcot. What they could do is animate the whole ride, then even pull a Star Tours and make randomized experiences. But that would take out some of the realims that draws people into the ride in the first place

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Mably View Post
    It needs 1080 HD. Also, is it a simulator or do you just sit on hang glider seats?
    The way your using it, 1080 simply refers to the common hight-width ratio common for widescreen movie playback. Theatres and attractions like Soarin' use a much much higher resolution. However, it really does need the digital upgrade to get around the fading and film quality issues it has!

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    The way your using it, 1080 simply refers to the common hight-width ratio common for widescreen movie playback. Theatres and attractions like Soarin' use a much much higher resolution. However, it really does need the digital upgrade to get around the fading and film quality issues it has!
    Actually, 1080 refers to the number of horizontal lines of resolution. For 1080 (1080p or 1080i) HD, 1920x1080 (horizontal x vertical) is the typical resolution. Aspect ratio of a standard/typical widescreen television or monitor is 16:9 (or roughly 1.78:1).

    k_peek stated correctly that Soarin (which uses film) has a much higher equivalent resolution than HD television and blu-ray. Using an HD projector that was only 1080 for Soarin would result in a highly blocky image because of how large the screen is.

    In order to upgrade the projection to digital, they would likely need a digital projector technology that doesn't exist yet and would have to be created for that specific purpose.

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    As I said, 1080 in the way he was using it was referencing the standard wide screen format which companies have for some reason omitted the "1920x" from. Of course, 16:9 is the simplified fraction of this ratio.

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    As I said, 1080 in the way he was using it was referencing the standard wide screen format which companies have for some reason omitted the "1920x" from. Of course, 16:9 is the simplified fraction of this ratio.
    But "1080 HD" refers to the resolution (1080 lines) not the aspect ratio. You can theoretically have 1080 "full frame" (4:3), and in fact any classic films (like the Wizard of Oz) can be 1080p HD but are not in 16:9 ratio. Basically when you say 1080 (or 1080p/1080i) you are referring to the format of the video resolution (1080 lines), not the aspect ratio of the material.

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    Re: Soarin' Over California should be longer....

    I was simply trying to state that regardless of the technical, actual or possible meaning of 1080(x), consumer/marketing mindsets have attributed it to a specific standard 99% of the time. Sure, my original post didn't go into lots of detail for the sake of brevity, but that is because it wasn't the topic at hand and did nothing to strengthen the conversation.

    I wanted to get right back to the discussion at hand without lots of unneeded technical details.
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