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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    The issue is, just because we didn't see a mock up of it doesn't mean one wasn't made. It just means they didn't show it to us. They were showing off the land, not the backside themeing.
    BUT.. wasn't the model shown at D23 in '09 presented as the model they used for the 3-D scanning? If that were the case, the model should have been true for the entire surface, not just what they were trying to highlight or not.

    No we don't have all their information... but we do have information they have shared which should have been highly credible as what was 'real' at that point in time for their implementation... not just concept.
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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    BUT.. wasn't the model shown at D23 in '09 presented as the model they used for the 3-D scanning? If that were the case, the model should have been true for the entire surface, not just what they were trying to highlight or not.

    No we don't have all their information... but we do have information they have shared which should have been highly credible as what was 'real' at that point in time for their implementation... not just concept.
    Yes, but that still doesn't change my point. All we know is that was the model used for the 3d scanning of the interior of the land. It's entirely possible that there were additional pieces to that model that they didn't show the public. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that model divided up into a number of sections? Who is to say that the sections for the back sides simply were not presented to the public, a) to save space in the display, and b) to focus attention on the land itself rather than the back of the rock walls. The information they have shared with us doesn't preclude the possibility that they haven't shared all the information with us. At no point did they say "this is it, this is everything right here, if you don't see it here it's not happening." All they ever said was "this here, what you see here, is happening." That may seem subtle, and it is, but there is a massive difference between those two statements.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    He wasn't talking about the tile but the pale blue color on the area around the fountain, as seen in the other pic, which is later than the one you posted, which is still dirt. In any case, the blue-ish tint may just be an effect of the photograph.
    Yeah pretty sure the blueish tint around the bottom of the fountain is just an effect from the photograph being shot out of the blue tinted monorail windows.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Does anyone have any details about the upcoming California Screamin' refurb?

    The 'master list' entry at the start of this thread lists "California Screamin' queue and eastern Paradise Pier" - but that doesn't seem to be the same thing.

    Are refurbs usually something that make the 'master list' of the thread?

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by BonVivant View Post
    Does anyone have any details about the upcoming California Screamin' refurb?

    The 'master list' entry at the start of this thread lists "California Screamin' queue and eastern Paradise Pier" - but that doesn't seem to be the same thing.

    Are refurbs usually something that make the 'master list' of the thread?
    The Master List holds projects for the makeover of DCA

    If this is just a refurb (splash of paint, some maintenance work, etc) then it won't make that list.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

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    Does anyone have any details about the upcoming California Screamin' refurb?
    supposedly track work, replacing the track in the loop, and painting.
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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    The toothpicks are going up on the rockwork right now as we speak, theres photo proof of it, and people still believe that the PP side rockwork will be unthemed? Unbelievable.


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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by simba View Post
    Yeah, it depends. (And notice that I prefaced that quote with "unless their measurements are perfect on both the pole AND the hole in the ground..." I didn't say they can't do it, I said they can't unless they go through some slightly extra work.)

    Digging a hole to a strict, precise depth takes longer and is more tedious, time consuming work than just lopping the top off afterwards. Sometimes it's easier to dig to "at least" a certain depth, drop in the pole, then chop the top. I know they do this in fence building so often because there are dozens of fence post holes to dig and it's easier to make sure the tops are beautifully aligned. It's nearly impossible to measure the depth of a hole precisely without making the bottom perfectly flat and even - again, something that is hard to do... they often dig through the dirt then toss in granular stones to pad the bottom, in which case it takes a lot of trial and error measuring in order to get it perfect. But I'm going mostly on knowledge of fence post installation rather than large pole installation.

    It basically ends up being more tedious to make a precise hole than to just dig "deep enough" and saw off the top when you're done. But it definitely depends on the job and I will admit I'm not a pole installer. The telephone poles in Cars land might be way too tall for those kinds of precise needs to make any kind of difference.
    I'm an electrical designer at the local utility and when installing our power poles, they usually mount the crossarms, insulators and braces first then hoist the poles up and into the pole holes. They can dig the holes pretty precisely with a machine digger (well to the nearest couple of inches anyway) and for what we need, that's good enough. The poles are then rotated to the proper alignment and the holes filled in. It's much easier to install the crossarms and other equipment (other than the transformers (large trash cans up on poles)) while the pole is on the ground rather than trying to hoist them up onto a pole which has been installed already.

    The poles we see in the concept art appear to be power poles and not telephone poles. Most telephone poles do not have crossarms. The telephone cables are attached directly to the poles with j-hooks or other "deadends" as we call them. So you would see a pole with one or several thick "trunklines" attached to the pole without the wooden crossarms on them. Anyway, since the poles in Carsland are to be permanent decorative poles, I'm sure they will set them with concrete once they are installed. They don't have crossarms on them already probably because they want to make sure all the arms are at the exact same height for visual impact. We don't really care too much about that when installing real power poles. Anchoring and clearances between power lines, and the other facilities on the pole are paramount to anything else.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    The Master List holds projects for the makeover of DCA

    If this is just a refurb (splash of paint, some maintenance work, etc) then it won't make that list.
    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    supposedly track work, replacing the track in the loop, and painting.
    Thanks for the info!

    We just rode it a few weeks ago, and the queue is so mundane - was hoping the refurb might address that, but I guess that's the difference between a refurb and a retheme.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalFan View Post
    Yeah pretty sure the blueish tint around the bottom of the fountain is just an effect from the photograph being shot out of the blue tinted monorail windows.
    I don't think so. This screen capture I made from the larger version of Mint's pic (which I blew up some more, in my browser) clearly shows a light-blue plane around the outside of the fountain, slightly above some regular, grey concrete.



    To my relatively untrained eye, it almost looks like some kind of backer board that they could lay tile on. It definitely doesn't match the blue in the tiles inside the fountain. Anybody have any more informed ideas?
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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The toothpicks are going up on the rockwork right now as we speak, theres photo proof of it, and people still believe that the PP side rockwork will be unthemed? Unbelievable.
    No. We're debating WHEN the decision was made to theme it. Was it planned all along or was it a more recent development?
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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by WarningSLO View Post
    No. We're debating WHEN the decision was made to theme it. Was it planned all along or was it a more recent development?
    Does that even matter? What matters is that IT IS getting done.


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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Hear! Hear!
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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The toothpicks are going up on the rockwork right now as we speak, theres photo proof of it, and people still believe that the PP side rockwork will be unthemed? Unbelievable.
    The toothpicks have been up for a few weeks now. But just yesterday, Mint had shots of them putting up a grid structure. We know the back of rock will be themed, but we still don't know the extent: a flat cliff look or more of a 3D rock look like the front side.

    The debate here though was when and why they changed what they were planning for the back side.

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    Re: Disney California Adventure Project Tracker 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    a flat cliff look or more of a 3D rock look like the front side.
    Lets not start with this whole, is it going to be 3D or not thing again. Either way, 90% of the rockwork on the mountain range is flat cliff, so it's not like it would really be out of place. Theming is themeing. Problems are being addressed. The park is being beautified. That is all that matters.


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