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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    With the new expansion currently occurring at DCA, I highly doubt Team Disney will make any other expansions at DLR in the next few years. From the info I have read on this site and MiceAge, it sounds like the focus will be mainly on promoting the new DCA expansion.

    I do agree though, some of the lands could use some expansion but I'm afraid they are all out of usable acres.

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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    As far as the article it could of been written much simpley. DLR will advertise to Texans. All the other markets don't matter. Other than Texas, those other western states have tiny populations. What are you going to do, pull in another 25 people from Nebraska? Yeehaw.
    The combined population of the Midwest absolutely dwarfs that of Texas. You're talking about a population of over 60 million people and 20% of the U.S. population. If they are attempting to lure guests that would otherwise visit DisneyWorld, they will not be advertising exclusively to Texans.

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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrodyDanger View Post
    The combined population of the Midwest absolutely dwarfs that of Texas. You're talking about a population of over 60 million people and 20% of the U.S. population. If they are attempting to lure guests that would otherwise visit DisneyWorld, they will not be advertising exclusively to Texans.
    The midwest is firmly WDW's market.

    I was talking about the West. Currently the Disney Market is split by the rocky mountains.

    So expanding DLR reach past that to more of the western states means roughly to the Missouri River. By far the biggest population in that new area is that of Texas.

    Look at a map, the midwest states haven't been in the West for 150 years.

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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by kburford View Post
    Personally, I think this is purely a harry potter fan's view. Casual fans probably don't care as much about having one place where you can visit Hogwarts. As a pretty hardcore fan myself, I agree that there should only be ONE Hogsmeade, etc. It loses it's immersion once there's a duplicate. I also love how involved Stuart Craig, Jo Rowling, & others were with WWoHP in USO; so I'm afraid as more lands are added in different areas of the world, the richness of harry's world and the great details will begin to lose out. The budget being rumored for construction in USH is already less than USO's, and obviously space is an issue...so I'm nervous. But I'm not 100% against it since I do live in LA and selfishly want to visit WWoHP a lot.

    Disneyland is completely different from WWoHP in terms of re-creation for me. I didn't read about Disneyland in books as a real place like you would with Harry Potter. Disney is a theme park, and many theme parks are replicated; and I think that for Harry Potter fans, WWoHP is our glimpse into the 'real' world of Harry so we don't really visualize it as a theme park but as THE Wizarding World.

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    As for Disneyland being affected, I don't think it will take as much a hit as Disney World. Locals aren't going to throw in their pass for Universal ones. If anything I might get a pass to Universal in addition to Disneyland. But I don't think I'd give up a park I love (Disneyland) for one land at Universal. And with the closer proximity, I think tourists will go to both Disneyland and Universal. I don't see USH standing on its own as a vacation destination.
    I read on a different site that USH might get what WWoHP doesn't have; Diagon Alley, the Burrow, et al. Either way, be glad that there are more options for us locals than those who can only vacay once every few years!
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by WannaCub View Post
    I read on a different site that USH might get what WWoHP doesn't have; Diagon Alley, the Burrow, et al. Either way, be glad that there are more options for us locals than those who can only vacay once every few years!
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    The midwest is firmly WDW's market.

    I was talking about the West. Currently the Disney Market is split by the rocky mountains.

    So expanding DLR reach past that to more of the western states means roughly to the Missouri River. By far the biggest population in that new area is that of Texas.

    Look at a map, the midwest states haven't been in the West for 150 years.
    I wouldn't be so sure... a from flight Chicago to LA isn't that much longer than a flight to Orlando. It's not like people in the Midwest are so close to Florida that WDW is the only feasible option. We're from Indiana, and we've "converted" to Disneyland in recent years due to its better care of attractions and because it does a better job of developing fresh offerings between visits. I wouldn't be surprised at all if other Midwesterners are getting increasingly tired with the staleness of WDW, and would be willing to give something else a try if they caught a commercial advertising the DLR's huge expansion.


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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    I like how all the people from socal think DLR is not a week vacation for familys, but i grew up in nevada and my family always took us to disneyland for like 5 days and we would spend a lot of time at the parks but we take our time. We eat at DTD a lot and would not try to ride every ride in 1 like locals do. It kind of makes me mad when people say that because to me it has been a destination spot.
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by WildForMrToad View Post
    I like how all the people from socal think DLR is not a week vacation for familys, but i grew up in nevada and my family always took us to disneyland for like 5 days and we would spend a lot of time at the parks but we take our time. We eat at DTD a lot and would not try to ride every ride in 1 like locals do. It kind of makes me mad when people say that because to me it has been a destination spot.
    I agree that it is still a destination spot. If it wasn’t, the resort hotels and all those fleabags across the street would be out of business.
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    The midwest is firmly WDW's market.

    I was talking about the West. Currently the Disney Market is split by the rocky mountains.

    So expanding DLR reach past that to more of the western states means roughly to the Missouri River. By far the biggest population in that new area is that of Texas.

    Look at a map, the midwest states haven't been in the West for 150 years.
    I don’t need to look at a map to tell you that nearly ALL of the Midwest is well over 1,000 miles away from WDW. No, the Midwest is not firmly WDW's market, it is traditionally WDW's market… same as Texas. There is a big difference.

    Travelers over 1,000 miles from a destination are going to fly there far more often than not. Air travel provides EXTREMELY flexible options and the DLR is a global destination, not just a Western U.S. one. The primary concern regarding where DLR decides to expand a marketing campaign, which consists of penetrating traditional WDW markets, is cannibalization, not geographic proximity.

    I’m definitely not disagreeing with you about the majority of an expanded U.S. marketing campaign being targeted at the state of Texas though. It's the 2nd most populated state. Most of which is located in large metropolitan areas where the bang for your marketing buck is exponentially higher. What I AM disagreeing with is your statement that other the markets “don’t matter”.

    Forget about the Midwest as a whole; let’s just use your own proposed marketing campaign expansion of the territory between the Rockies and the Missouri River. If you show me a Marketing Analyst who says that the metropolitan areas of St. Louis, Denver, Omaha, Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City (with a combined population of over 10 million people) "don't matter", I will show you a Marketing Analyst who has just been handed their last paycheck and told to not let the door hit them on the way out.

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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by toonaspie View Post
    Now keep in mind that WDW responded with NOTHING when WWoHP took affect, so who knows if Disney would even feel threatened by a WWoHP on the West Coast enough to do anything with DLR.
    There's a big difference between TDA and TDO .... WDW would reuse paper cups if they could get away with it. I think there is a much better chance of a response from Disney here in CA.





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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by DARTH MAUL View Post
    Those numbers actually shock me. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've gone to Universal in the last decade. DCA appeals to me and my friends far more, even before the makeover.
    Ever since Kong...universal numbers have gotten MUCH higher.....if you went during the summer the lines sucked.......but Universal DOES still have an off season but the min Potterland opens that will be gone......people LOVE potter much more than anything Disney has done since Indy......sure Carsland is cool but there are WAY more people that have read the books and seen the movies and dont forget by then Im sure Universal will have redo most of the tour and added new shows so the park is getting the DCA treatment meaning its going to be almost a new park by 2015

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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Transformers is going to be a real game changer for USH. It looks incredible (referring to the POV videos).


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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrodyDanger View Post
    Forget about the Midwest as a whole; let’s just use your own proposed marketing campaign expansion of the territory between the Rockies and the Missouri River. If you show me a Marketing Analyst who says that the metropolitan areas of St. Louis, Denver, Omaha, Kansas City, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City (with a combined population of over 10 million people) "don't matter", I will show you a Marketing Analyst who has just been handed their last paycheck and told to not let the door hit them on the way out.
    Anyone who knows anything about marketing would know that it's a stupid idea and someone would deserve to be fired for suggesting this.

    Taking customers from WDW to DLR is a terrible idea. Most WDW guests spend a week in Disney hotels, at Disney parks, and eating on Disney property. At DLR the minority of non local guests do the same. You would be cannabalizing customers to get less revenue per day and less days of spending as well.

    Giving reasons to extend DLR by addings more to do in the parks and adding another gate would help. Creating more TS locations and a valuable dining plan would help as well. Having more hotel rooms to host the guests is needed very badly.
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    people LOVE potter much more than anything Disney has done since Indy
    I think you are overstating your numbers here. It would really only be Harry Potter fans that feel that way. The average person may go see it as a novelty, but I don't believe it will have the repeatability that Disney parks have as there is just not that much to do otherwise at Universal.
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    Re: With WWoHP rumored for USH in 2015, How will this effect DL's 60th Anniversary?

    i wold rather go to disneyland vs ush i relly dont like harry potter that much
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