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    Quote Originally Posted by David A View Post
    I still dislike the idea of penguin marching my guests into the park and then out ...
    This I gotta see:



    Somehow I doubt that C33 will be escorting private parties in and out of the Park with tasers and cattle prods. Methinks in practice the host-member would need to bring in everyone at the same time [reasonable to handle the entry-gate], and then post-dining everyone turned loose to find their own way "to the gate", which I daresay might be somewhat circuitous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachane View Post

    This I gotta see:



    Somehow I doubt that C33 will be escorting private parties in and out of the Park with tasers and cattle prods. Methinks in practice the host-member would need to bring in everyone at the same time [reasonable to handle the entry-gate], and then post-dining everyone turned loose to find their own way "to the gate", which I daresay might be somewhat circuitous.
    been escorted out through Adventureland and we meandered thru the stores then down main st window shopping with no sense of being hurried, and we left once without escort and did much the same thing, it was late 1130pm, but we did throw in a jungle cruise
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachane View Post

    This I gotta see:



    Somehow I doubt that C33 will be escorting private parties in and out of the Park with tasers and cattle prods. Methinks in practice the host-member would need to bring in everyone at the same time [reasonable to handle the entry-gate], and then post-dining everyone turned loose to find their own way "to the gate", which I daresay might be somewhat circuitous.
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Does anyone know if the 5 VIP Tour guides per year Platinum benefit are of the premium variety and inclusive of the unlimited fastpass and front of the line access?
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachane View Post


    At 5 VIP Tours worth a total of $8,850/year, Platinum is starting to make more sense. Running the total, adding that to $6,250 of free ParkHopper comps yields $15,100/year, not counting member/spouse unlimited PH access. Haven't estimated the value of concierge at the various DLR hotels.

    So once you digest the $25K initiation fee [unless you're an upgrading Silver/Gold for whom it is waived], $10K/year dues is starting to look less like a rip-off and more like a bargain if indeed you fully "exercise" it.

    See now that is how I look at these things. Putting all past-history issues and hurt feelings aside, this is the way to look at a Club 33 membership looking forward.

    Time to be pragmatic. People have a choice to make. Forward... And it IS time to start looking forward.

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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Julieandtheboys View Post
    See now that is how I look at these things. Putting all past-history issues and hurt feelings aside, this is the way to look at a Club 33 membership looking forward.

    Time to be pragmatic. People have a choice to make. Forward... And it IS time to start looking forward.
    Yes, but only if these specific benefits are of value to you. As I have pointed out numerous times, most of these same "benefits" are available to anyone regardless of their affilitation with Club 33. All you are doing is pre-paying for the benefit at the start of the year. Knowing they are there when and if I need them, I would prefer to purchase them at that moment in time. I can pre-sell you a years worth of chicken, car washes or toilet paper, if it does not serve your specific need, it would not really be of value to you.

    I know a number of people who simply do not care about a VIP tour or a hotel room upgrade. Again, if this works for you, wonderful. As offered up by Rachane, I think new members should be offered a choice in membership levels.

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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Abominable View Post
    Does anyone know if the 5 VIP Tour guides per year Platinum benefit are of the premium variety and inclusive of the unlimited fastpass and front of the line access?
    Yes.
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Right, Disneynut... This is the offer now. You can take it or leave it. Make your choice and move forward is all I am saying (not necessarily to you, in general).

    I appreciated how clearly the choice was laid out earlier with a break down of what a person gets for the money, adding up the value. Choose that this is a good value or determine that it is not and continue living life.

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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Julieandtheboys View Post
    Right, Disneynut... This is the offer now. You can take it or leave it. Make your choice and move forward is all I am saying (not necessarily to you, in general).

    I appreciated how clearly the choice was laid out earlier with a break down of what a person gets for the money, adding up the value. Choose that this is a good value or determine that it is not and continue living life.
    This is exactly the type of logic that Disney would like us to subscribe to. Forget it, move on, and don’t talk about it anymore. I am of the belief that nobody within management has any intention of correcting what I consider to be giant mistakes. If we ignore what has gone on, it sends a signal to them that this is acceptable behavior. I am willing to accept that you are happy with your purchase; I won't spend a minute trying to convince you otherwise. Please extend me the same courtesy.

    There are a number of us who feel this argument will get put to rest only when Disney owns up to their mistakes. I will agree that it is not likely that things will go back to the way they were and I can live with that. At least address the issue and show us that customer service is still part of the Disney philosophy.

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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneynut View Post
    Yes, but only if these specific benefits are of value to you. As I have pointed out numerous times, most of these same "benefits" are available to anyone regardless of their affilitation with Club 33.
    Isn't the same true with the comped tickets?
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    Before we totally disregard extremism; lets remember the lesson of the 3 little pigs.

    The moderate pig lost his house to the wolf too
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Osky View Post
    Isn't the same true with the comped tickets?
    Sorry, I don't follow. Yes, comp’d tickets are of value only to certain members. VIP tours may be of value to other members. The major difference between the two is that I don't need to spend $35,000.00 to get a VIP tour, it is sold to anyone that has the money. I don't know of any Disneyland guests outside of Club 33 members who have the ability to send other guests to the park on a complimentary basis.

    You continue to incorrectly label my argument as though it has something to do with comp’d tickets. As I have stated previously, I don't think the limit of 50 is really that bad. What should matter to most is that I am not the person who decides what is good for everyone else...I don't think it is my place to tell any member that "50 is good for me, so 50 should be good for you". Using that logic what happens when another member is willing to accept 2 or even 0 comp'd passes per year?

    My argument has, and always will be, against the way the changes were implemented. They accepted large sums of money from people over the years, they begged us for business and our loyalty only to turn around and slap us in the face with the very things they asked for. They blamed the very people who kept them in business all of these years as a reason for reducing benefits. I am accepting of change, but not when it is smacked across your face like a cold, dead fish. What I find to be illogical, is that Disney built its brand on customer service and now seems to be sending the message that it is no longer part of their philosophy

    My continued problem is that the lesson has not been learned. By the time the official letter went out, the wording had finally been given over to some legal or media types to soften the blow. Sadly, the damage had already been done with all of the verbal statements to some (not all) of the members. The same continues today, not just a month ago "no new memberships" was the line they were singing. How long will everyone continue to excuse this poor behavior and label it as poor training, miscommunication or some other careless act? At these prices, excuses for poor performance should not be part of the discussion. This type of behavior continues to reinforce my argument, Disney is quickly turning into a “less service for more money” type of company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneynut View Post
    What should matter to most is that I am not the person who decides what is good for everyone else.
    As has been brought out before [after 6 months of this thread, everything has been brought out before!], Club 33 isn't a club in the membership-owned sense. It's purely a Disney creation which the public can take or leave. It's rather like the
    Control Voice at the beginning of the old Outer Limits, except in this case you do have the option to turn off your TV set.

    They accepted large sums of money from people over the years, they begged us for business and our loyalty only to turn around and slap us in the face with the very things they asked for. They blamed the very people who kept them in business all of these years as a reason for reducing benefits.
    Each dues-year C33 delivered exactly what it promised [in the Rules pamphlet] that year. Indeed it isn't even a "by-year contract", since C33 reserves the right to adjust your TV set at any time. In practice I think it's kept changes to "by-year", which of course enables members to make dues-decisions accordingly.

    Don't ever recall C33 asking members to "send them more comped/nonmember business".

    By the time the official letter went out, the wording had finally been given over to some legal or media types to soften the blow. Sadly, the damage had already been done with all of the verbal statements to some (not all) of the members.
    Seems to me the 2012 letter was completely straightforward; no "blow" except to runningwildcompers. [New admissions at Platinum-only don't impact existing members.]

    Since you can't attribute or document "verbal statements", perhaps there is no point in alluding to such here?

    Not just a month ago "no new memberships" was the line they were singing.
    Who sang [or said or wrote] this when/where/how? The annual-dues letter doesn't mention "new memberships" at all.

    How long will everyone continue to excuse this poor behavior and label it as poor training, miscommunication or some other careless act? At these prices, excuses for poor performance should not be part of the discussion. This type of behavior continues to reinforce my argument, Disney is quickly turning into a “less service for more money” type of company.
    Doesn't seem to me that you've substantiated any of this yet.
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachane View Post
    Doesn't seem to me that you've substantiated any of this yet.
    I didn't know you were running things over at the club. Unless you have some magical ability to resolve my grievances I don't think I have any obligation to justify or substantiate anything to you. Let's get things straight, I certainly don't understand your desire to defend something so unjust and so blatant (refer to my earlier post on system justification) but the great thing about a forum like this is that you can express your OPINION here without anyone calling for justification as to why you feel the way you do.

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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneynut View Post
    Sorry, I don't follow.
    That is because I am responding to you and to David A, and we are confusing who is responding to what. David A agrees with you on the value of the added benefits, yet he disagrees with you on the comp tickets. Should have been clear.
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    Before we totally disregard extremism; lets remember the lesson of the 3 little pigs.

    The moderate pig lost his house to the wolf too
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    Re: Club 33 Membership Changes for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Osky View Post
    That is because I am responding to you and to David A, and we are confusing who is responding to what. David A agrees with you on the value of the added benefits, yet he disagrees with you on the comp tickets. Should have been clear.
    Not a problem!

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