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    Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Here's A quick note from Al on the situation with Disneyland's sudden cancelation of fireworks. There could be a show tonight, then none again until OSHA inspects and approves the fireworks to continue.

    EDITOR’S NOTE 12/25: Two separate accidents involving the loading of pyro shells on the 22nd and 23rd have put the fireworks show at Disneyland on hold for the last three days. There is a show already loaded in the launch tubes, but they've decided to wait until the higher attendance Christmas day to use it. Then it goes dark again as a new performance can't be loaded until the OSHA officials show up to investigate on Tuesday. More info should be available on that day. - Al Lutz
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Better safe than sorry.


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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    We were in Disneyland on the 22nd and expected the fireworks to be canceled due to high winds. We heard an announcement that Fantasmic! was canceled earlier that evening "due to inclement weather and for the safety of our performers."
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Druggas View Post
    Better safe than sorry.
    Exactly.

    I hope that any CMs affected by the accidents will recover quickly, and that Disneyland can figure out what went wrong and get it fixed soon.

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    I Hope they wait tell cail oshsa can expent the fire works its chrismas not new yers
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    For over 55 years, OSHA has had zero say as to the scheduling of the fireworks and other Disneyland outdoor special effects shows. I hope that it will not use the two unfortunate accidents as a wedge to take control over determining when Disney can offer the Fireworks, Fantasmic! and World of Color shows to us. Give GrinchOSHA an inch and it will take a mile....and as colateral damage, our smiles.

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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    For over 55 years, OSHA has had zero say as to the scheduling of the fireworks and other Disneyland outdoor special effects shows. I hope that it will not use the two unfortunate accidents as a wedge to take control over determining when Disney can offer the Fireworks, Fantasmic! and World of Color to us. Give GrinchOSHA an inch and it will take a mile....and as colateral damage, our smiles.
    Wrong. By law, Cal-OSHA must enforce worker safety in California's amusement park industry. As has been documented in dozens of threads over the years, Cal-OSHA has nothing to do with scheduling events at Disneyland, "giving an inch and taking a mile" or "taking away our smiles." I hope this thread doesn't turn into yet another OSHA-bashfest of ridiculous misinformation and outlandish accusations.
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    For over 55 years, OSHA has had zero say as to the scheduling of the fireworks and other Disneyland outdoor special effects shows. I hope that it will not use the two unfortunate accidents as a wedge to take control over determining when Disney can offer the Fireworks, Fantasmic! and World of Color to us. Give GrinchOSHA an inch and it will take a mile....and as colateral damage, our smiles.
    Let's be really clear here; we're not talking about OSHA determining the pyro SCHEDULE. All that's happening is that OSHA is checking out the safety procedures for pyro load-in and Disneyland has made the (correct, safety-minded) choice not to perform the show until it's been checked out and OK'd. Nobody's saying OSHA is going to tell Disneyland "you can only have fireworks on Saturdays at 4pm" - OSHA doesn't care about scheduling; they're a safety board.
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    I hope this thread doesn't turn into yet another OSHA-bashfest of ridiculous misinformation and outlandish accusations.
    I've heard OSHA eats small puppies and takes candy canes on main street away from children.

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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Wrong. By law, Cal-OSHA must enforce worker safety in California's amusement park industry. As has been documented in dozens of threads over the years, Cal-OSHA has nothing to do with scheduling events at Disneyland, "giving an inch and taking a mile" or "taking away our smiles." I hope this thread doesn't turn into yet another OSHA-bashfest of ridiculous misinformation and outlandish accusations.
    If it's a part od the government bureaucracy, it's legitimate and nobody has the right to question it....right? Sorry, this doesn't work for me. OSHA's has the ability to shut attractionss down at a whim by using autonomous legal authority to inspect as an excuse. The agency can both shut and levy stiff fines for falure to let it have it's way. In so doing, it controls scheduling, and many other facets of private sector businesses/entertainment/employers. The taxpayer would be much better served with it's defunding and elimination. Let local city inspectors and elected state legislators handle warranted industrial safety hazards. We don't need bureaucratic agenies that are pretty much answerable to nobody but themselves.

    I'm still ticked off abaout the overstepping demands it has placed on the Alice tracks.


    Quote Originally Posted by RumRunner31 View Post
    Let's be really clear here; we're not talking about OSHA determining the pyro SCHEDULE. All that's happening is that OSHA is checking out the safety procedures for pyro load-in and Disneyland has made the (correct, safety-minded) choice not to perform the show until it's been checked out and OK'd. Nobody's saying OSHA is going to tell Disneyland "you can only have fireworks on Saturdays at 4pm" - OSHA doesn't care about scheduling; they're a safety board.
    See the above response. ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by villagecreator View Post
    I've heard OSHA eats small puppies and takes candy canes on main street away from children.
    Wouldn't surprise me.
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    I'm still ticked off abaout the overstepping demands it has placed on the Alice tracks.
    Has anyone confirmed OSHA "demanded" this change? Last I had read, Disney had made the changes voluntarily, without OSHA request.
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Wrong. By law, Cal-OSHA must enforce worker safety in California's amusement park industry. As has been documented in dozens of threads over the years, Cal-OSHA has nothing to do with scheduling events at Disneyland, "giving an inch and taking a mile" or "taking away our smiles." I hope this thread doesn't turn into yet another OSHA-bashfest of ridiculous misinformation and outlandish accusations.
    Exactly. They just have to adhere to certain rules and regulations for everyone's safety. Although sometimes their decisions are unfortunate, some things have to be that way.

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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcon10t View Post
    Has anyone confirmed OSHA "demanded" this change? Last I had read, Disney had made the changes voluntarily, without OSHA request.
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    Yes. OSHIa's nippicking solutions for problems that don't exist is exemplified in the above article about fixing Alice's tracks. Why does there seem to be so much caution over criticizing another overfunded arrogant and autonomous government bureaucratic whacked agency?
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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Remember folks, lets keep this thread on topic and on track. Do NOT turn this into a political debate or derail it with conversation that is better left in the debate lounge, or that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. This thread is about the fireworks at the resort, the possible safely issues, and not about the validity of any government entity that enforces safely laws.




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    Re: Editors Note from Al on Disneyland's Firework Cancelations

    Personally, not having any fireworks doesn't bother me at all. I've never really been a fan of them, especially in recent years, because they cause such a traffic jam throughout the Park. So having this "break" is fine by me and most welcome! On the flip side though, it's a real shame for those guests who are expecting them.

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